School loans, any advice?

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Hello, i'm in need of advice. I just got accepted to my dream school which is great. The trouble is I didn't actually think I would get in! Now that i'm in and actually considering going the money is holding me back. I know that I can take out loans and that a lot of people do. It's just, I don't know how it will be possible to pay back a hundred thousand dollar loan after school on an artist's salary. I know that pretty much all art schools are expensive but it's so much money. People are saying "it's just money, don't worry about it, don't let it hold you back" but it is a big deal. I don't know if I should go to a cheaper school (I have a few options) and try something else instead.

Did you take out loans for school? How do you possibly pay them back?! Thanks for any advice
 
Well state schools here are looking at 80,000. So what other schools are you going to and what are the costs?

My dd couldn't attend school without cash/loans from us. She can't get enough money in loans, only 5500 for her freshman yr.

If she had to do it on her own she would have to live at home and go to school.
 
My feelings on loans is that you take out what will be reasonable on your expected salary after graduation. If you are going into a high paying profession, it's reasonable to take out more loans. If you are going into a low paying field, try to keep the loans in check.
 
Well state schools here are looking at 80,000. So what other schools are you going to and what are the costs?

My dd couldn't attend school without cash/loans from us. She can't get enough money in loans, only 5500 for her freshman yr.

If she had to do it on her own she would have to live at home and go to school.

Well I got into U of hawaii and the tuition for me is about 10,500 because I got a scholarship. The art school in tuition alone is 27,000 a year. The loans would run about 150k in all.

My feelings on loans is that you take out what will be reasonable on your expected salary after graduation. If you are going into a high paying profession, it's reasonable to take out more loans. If you are going into a low paying field, try to keep the loans in check.

Well I don't really have a choice. Artists make very little but I have to take out loans. So I guess i'm stuck...
 

Did you get your financial aid packet yet?

I think it's great that you are thinking of the loans now. Most people go to college and don't even think of it until they get their first bill. I left with only ~$20K in loans because I had many scholarships, but I still owe $267/month for the 10 years of the loan. (That's what I'm obligated to pay per month, I do pay more than that to try and get the loans fully paid off well before 10 years.)

Honestly, if you know your salary after won't cover it and you won't be able to live at home, etc. it might not be a good idea to go $100k+ in debt before you even have your career.

I am planning on getting my Master's, which means more loans, so you might want to consider how much a Master's might increase your debt.
 
I didn't mean don't take out any loans. I just meant choose wisely. I expect that almost everyone will take out loans. It doesn't make sense to me to owe more money than you have to, if you know it will be a struggle to pay it back over a decade or more once you graduate.
 
I had to have student loans for both undergrad (living expenses, I had tuition scholarship) and law school. I know most people think lawyers make lots of money, but trust me, most of us, including me, are far from 6 figures! I was able to consolidate my loans for a number of years to get a lower payment. There are also ways to pay less money in the beginning, and then gradually pay more later down the road when your income will likely be higher as well. The interest rate on student loans is pretty low and you also get a tax deduction on the interest paid. I also get a lower interest rate (I forget how much, maybe 1%, for having my payment automatically withdrawn from my checking account. Also, if you really hit hard times, I think there are certain situations where you can seek a forebearance. I couldn't have gone to school without the loans. I didn't have much from undergrad, but my law school loans were really high, so I'll be paying for a while.
 
Well I got into U of hawaii and the tuition for me is about 10,500 because I got a scholarship. The art school in tuition alone is 27,000 a year. The loans would run about 150k in all.

Artists make very little but I have to take out loans. So I guess i'm stuck...

:scared1: Yowsa! I'd really have to give this a looooottt of thought. As you said, artists don't make a lot of money. Are you sure you want to be tied down to a super big student loan? My first house only cost $84,000 and we're still paying it off $1100 at at time.

If you were my child I'd have to tell you to either find more scholarships and grants, or look for a cheaper in-state school. I'd rather my child go a less expensive route than graduate with a HUGE load of debt on her shoulders.
 
My DS really wanted to go to Cal Arts or SCAD, both of which are very expensive, far from home and no guarantee of a high paying job to pay the loans off.

We looked into closer and cheaper schools and found a school closer to home. Once he was accepted, he decided to change his major, so the art school wouldn't have done him any good in law school!
 
Are you starting college now, or are you some years into it? If not, best advice is to use local community college for your first two years.


(not to be taken as financial advice)
 
Hello, i'm in need of advice. I just got accepted to my dream school which is great. The trouble is I didn't actually think I would get in! Now that i'm in and actually considering going the money is holding me back. I know that I can take out loans and that a lot of people do. It's just, I don't know how it will be possible to pay back a hundred thousand dollar loan after school on an artist's salary. I know that pretty much all art schools are expensive but it's so much money. People are saying "it's just money, don't worry about it, don't let it hold you back" but it is a big deal. I don't know if I should go to a cheaper school (I have a few options) and try something else instead.
Admittedly, I'm very financially conservative, but it's a philosophy that's proven useful more than once in my life. I'd adviser you to do everything you can to avoid borrowing altogether; if that is impossible, then borrow the smallest amount possible.

You're absolutely right to be concerned about paying back the loans. Too many students have the idea that they'll walk out of college and step into a high-paying job with good benefits and plenty of opportunity for advancement -- for all too many of them, that dream doesn't pay out. It takes years to reach "comfortable", and starting out with loans to repay extends that timeframe even longer. Taking out loans today definitely means delaying something that you'll want in the future: it may mean delaying home ownership, children, retirement savings, or other wants. Or loans may mean working two jobs after college (I know plenty of new college graduates who are working a professional job during the day and are still in their retail or food service job a couple evenings each week). Especially if you're set on a career that isn't known for high salaries, you must think about these things now.

However, going to college still requires money. You said you have options. Look into them seriously. You might also consider starting somewhere close to home, then transfering to "the school" later. You might go to school part-time instead of full-time. There are choices other than borrowing, borrowing, borrowing!
Did you take out loans for school? How do you possibly pay them back?! Thanks for any advice
No, I didn't. My parents were not willing to pay a single penny, -- and even did a few things that had a negative impact on my financial situation -- so I did it all on my own. I had some financial aid /scholarship money, and that did go a long way. I lived in the dorms, which was by far the cheapest option for me. After my second year of college I got a job as a Resident Adviser, which gave me a free room and 1/2 my tuition paid -- that was the single best thing I did for myself. Most semesters I worked two part-time jobs, which meant I never took heavy course loads. As a result, I spent five years earning my first bachelor's degree; some people suggested that I should've borrowed and finished on time, but I disagree -- I never could've paid off loans in that one year, and it was the best option available to me.

When I graduated, again I didn't have any type of parental help. I never would've considered moving home. Those first couple years were difficult financially, and I am very, very glad that I didn't have student loans in addition to everything else. If I had, I'm sure I would've ended up using credit cards to get by, and that would've set me on a road to further debt.

Good luck.
 
I'd adviser you to do everything you can to avoid borrowing altogether; if that is impossible, then borrow the smallest amount possible.

You're absolutely right to be concerned about paying back the loans. Too many students have the idea that they'll walk out of college and step into a high-paying job with good benefits and plenty of opportunity for advancement -- for all too many of them, that dream doesn't pay out. It takes years to reach "comfortable", and starting out with loans to repay extends that timeframe even longer. Taking out loans today definitely means delaying something that you'll want in the future: it may mean delaying home ownership, children, retirement savings, or other wants. Or loans may mean working two jobs after college (I know plenty of new college graduates who are working a professional job during the day and are still in their retail or food service job a couple evenings each week). Especially if you're set on a career that isn't known for high salaries, you must think about these things now.

Advice is spot on. You need to really think about this. I know plenty of college grads who came out and couldn't find a job in their field. Many of them are working retail while pounding the pavement for a "real job."

When I graduated I didn't have any type of parental help. I never would've considered moving home. Those first couple years were difficult financially, and I am very, very glad that I didn't have student loans in addition to everything else. If I had, I'm sure I would've ended up using credit cards to get by, and that would've set me on a road to further debt.

Good luck.

Me too. I came from a poor family with 5 kids. No way could my parents have afforded to pay *anything* toward college. I held several jobs, scrounged work-study, grants and scholarships, played in a marching band & jazz band(I was a nursing major:rolleyes:) and saved every penny I made. I couldn't afford a car so I walked everywhere. A lot of days I lived on peanut butter and grahams crackers and milk I "pocketed" from the cafeteria.

But when I graduated I owed less than $1000. It took me about 2 years to pay it back, then I was free to do whatever I wanted. I bought a car, traveled, bought clothes, went out to dinner, had my own place.

I have friends who went to Big Name Schools who graduated over $60,000 in debt. Let me tell you right now, nurses to NOT make enough money to pay this kind of debt back quickly. Some of them on 15-year notes.A lot of them have had to scale down or postpone getting married, postpone having children, getting a car or house. It's really tough if you graduate with a boatload of debt.
 
Consolidation is not as common as it used to be, at least when I finished school 2 years ago. I was unable to consolidate as companies were not making money from it, so they stopped offering it. I pay money to four different companies every month for my loans. The interest rates: 3.98%, 4.5%, 5%, 6.8%. Some places give a lower interest rate if you use ACH (automatically comes from your checking every month). I believe there is something the White House is doing for student loans. Since I finished school a few years ago, it won't affect me, so I haven't paid attention to the news on it.

There are often options to lower your monthly payments, but those generally mean you'll pay more interest, so while it helps monthly, you'll end up paying $35k for a $20k loan.

You can ask for a deferment while you're in school (interest doesn't accrue), if you hit economic hardship (not sure if interest still accrues) as well as other reasons.

The tax deduction helps, but it isn't a reason to take out a bigger loan. For every $1000 in interest you pay, you'll owe somewhere around $200 less in taxes that year.

I would never be able to take out a $100K loan, while I could probably pay it back with some heavy saving & some living at home, I wouldn't want to put myself in that position. Right now I live on my own, 300 miles from home, have a steady job, pay extra on my student loans, and am studying for the GMATs. I don't think I'd even consider going further with my education if I knew I had $95K more to go on my loans!
 
Not to discourage you, but one of my co-worker's sons graduated a couple of years ago from an excellent art school. He does a lot of comic book and graphic novel stuff. He chose his art school becuase they have great connections in that field. His parent and grandparents helped, and now he's like 26K in debt. Not so bad, right? Well, he's met with Marvel and DC and a whole buch of other companies and can't find an art job to save his life. Everything he interviews for, there are tons of applicants, so he's branched out to graphic design, etc. Here's the thing: he could have gone to a much cheaper state college and he wouldn't be in debt. I had the same situation... I went to University of Michigan and got an English lit degree. Why? It was my dream school. If I had been smart (and had appropriate parental guidence) I'd have gone to the much, much cheaper Eastern Michigan University or Wayne State. Why? Because an English degree from EMU is ever bit as attractive as an English dregee from UofM to employers, that is to say- not at all. When you sit down for an interview for likely jobs, will your dream school be 50K more attractive to potential employers than U of Hawaii? If not, you need to go where the money is. So often we think of school as an emotional decision; where do I fit in, where do I feel happy, where do I want to be for 4 years, instead of as an investment. If you can't wring every penny of worth from the more expensive private school, its not worth it.
 
My advice would be to take as little loans as possible. Because this is an undergraduate degree, you will be well over the limits of federal stafford loans, so you are looking at private loans with interest rates that have no caps and are based on your credit rating. If you have no credit, you will likely need a cosigner, do you have someone who could?

DH has an associates and I have a bachelor's and master's degree. To save money, I went to a state school and graduated in 3 years with my BA. Combined for all three we owe a little over $100k. We pay about $1100-1200/month for the MINIMUM required payments. Interest rates in the past have ranged from 4.5%-13%, now our highest is 7%. We both have good steady jobs, although DH hasn't had a raise in 3 years, but these loans take 1/2 my monthly take home pay. Almost the other half goes to DD's daycare.

When I was in your shoes, I thought about the loans, but I didn't have a clear picture of how much would accumulate and what that would mean after graduation. When I graduated with my BS, I worked at Walmart for a year because that was all that was available in the town where I grew up and then went to graduate school.

I will be paying on some of these loans (consolidated) another 25 years. These loans can NEVER be discharged in a bankruptcy. These loans are the reason we still live in an apartment and can't find a decent house to buy in our price range. These loans are the reason, I don't have the option to be a stay at home mom, even for a little bit.

Please consider your potential employment and earning power in your field, your less expensive options and how you see yourself living life in the future. There is so much more to life than going to a dream college, but congratulations on getting in. What an accomplishment!
 
The tax deduction helps, but it isn't a reason to take out a bigger loan. For every $1000 in interest you pay, you'll owe somewhere around $200 less in taxes that year.

The tax deduction is a max of $2500 for student loan interest per year. We pay far more than that and the OP will too if she takes $100k in student loans for a bachelor's degree.
 
Have you done any legwork with the financial aid office at the university? Do you know what options you have in addition to loans? Generally there will be an aid "package".

I did take out loans, but I also had work study, assistantships, grants, and scholarships. I owed $28,000 but that included three years of graduate school. My husband owed $22,500 which was all from graduate school. We paid it off in seven years, but it took a huge chunk of our income and definitely affected how much house we could afford when we decided to buy. (Ultimately that turned out to be a good thing because when I decided to temporarily "retire" to raise the kids the student loans already were paid off and we were able to afford the mortgage on one income).
 
Wow, thanks for all the replies. I just found out that SCAD is offering me a 26,000 scholarship. That's pretty much a full year. I can't turn that down! I'll have to take out some loans but it will a third of what it would cost at Ringling. Thanks so much for all the advice.
 
I've never taken out a loan for school. When I went to college out of high school for accounting, I paid for tuition, room and board my first year with scholarships, grants and by working three jobs. My second, third and fourth years I was fortunate to have a job in the dorms as a Resident Assistant; back then, that meant free room, board and 90% off of tuition. I "only" had to work summer jobs then. :)

When I changed careers and went back to school for nursing in the 1980's, I went to a local communitiy college for my associate degree. I took the same state board exam as people with bachelor's degrees, and I earn the same hourly rate as them as well.

My son is going to college this fall. He was accepted at seven different colleges/universities. He's been awarded five different scholarships. I have some money in a tax deferred savings account for him (not much...it's currently about $12,000). He started mowing lawns in our neighborhood when he was 13 years old, he's always saved gift money from relatives as well as his allowances; his savings accout has over $8,000 in it. With all of that being said, he's decided to attend one of our community colleges and live at home to save money. No, it's not his dream school (or even in his top three). Going to his number one choice (a state college) would be about $12,000/year with tuition, room and board. Going to the community college will be about $5,000/year for tuition, fees and books. He has a car, but is planning on taking public transportation (it's free for students at the community college) to save money on gas and parking. He's going into health care, so when he's done with school he'll hopefully be able to find a decent job, he'll be debt free, and possibly even have money in the bank.

You might throw this out on the budget board too, and see how the folks over there weigh in. Also, I'm a huge fan of Dave Ramsey and his theories and philosophy. Even if you decide to take out loans for school, checking out one of his books from the library can be very helpful and insightful.

Good luck to you!
 
Really think ahead when planning for college loans! I went to an acclaimed state school to become a teacher. I had lots of scholarships and grants and graduated with only a $1000 loan that I took out to cover my study abroad expenses. My husband didn't get as much aid but still "only" had $14,000 in loans, which we paid off less than 4 years after he finished school. A friend went to an expensive private school in Boston to become a teacher. She owes over $100K in loans. We all know teaching is not a very high paying profession! She's decided to stay on and get her Master's there because the college will pay for 12 credits of the degree. She still has to live in Boston (very expensive city), pay for books and fees, and the remaining 18 credits of the degree. I got an excellent education at a state school, and the only debt we have is our home and a bit left to pay on my car. Not bad for being 28. Our friend will be paying for her degree for the rest of her life. If she decides to be a teacher (which is her dream job, she says), it will be very hard for her to make ends meet with such a giant loan payment.

I'm glad to hear you got a decent aid package from one of the schools you'd like to attend. I would also look into taking some courses over the summer at a community college to transfer in. The sooner you can graduate, the sooner you can make money! It's entirely possible to graduate with a bachelor's in 3 years if you work hard and take courses over the summer.

I was able to study abroad with no worries because I took summer classes and could spend a semester in the UK, take electives and goof off. :) Some others who went abroad ended up spending another semester or 2 finishing up once they got home.

And on a career note...you might want to consider a minor in education...you could teach art in a school, as part of an enrichment program, etc. Maybe even be an art director at a camp or something!
 


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