Sarah Palin as POTUS.

[bicker]

They are the backups, the backup quarterbacks in a sense.

Good analogy. Just think about Brady and the Patriots!

Any voter who does not look at them as potential Presidential candidates are not doing their duty as voters.

All McCain needed to do was pick a centrist, like Tom Ridge, as VP, and everything would have been completely different: For example, I'd be heading to McCain/Ridge HQ tonight to staff the telephones.

 

[donaldbuzz&minnie]

QUOTE:
And, if she has so much experience to be VP, let alone President, how come, 13 days out from the possibility of being elected VP, she doesn't even know the constitutional duties of the VP? (Check her answer to 3rd graders last week.)

Sarah Palin is running for President....back-up President. This is at least the second time she has screwed up when describing the role of the VP. She doesn't know as much about the responsibilities of the office she is running for than the average high school student who's paid attention in Civics class. Even after her first gaffe, she hasn't learned it yet. This isn't a reason to wonder if she's qualified for the Presidency??

 

[Mikelly1221]

This bothers me, too. A lot. (And I'm a Republican.) She's given the same, wrong answer about the "job" a number of times. The VP does NOT "oversee the senate". This tells me she's less than casually acquainted with the constitution - something a VP candidate should have at least read.

I'd think that someone in McCain's campaign would have explained this to her by this time. Which leads me to think that things aren't very well organized in the McCain camp (and he's had nearly two years to get it in order). Would his administration be any better?

DisFlan

This is from Wikipedia, so be warned, but it sounds pretty accurate...

"The Vice President of the United States is the President of the Senate ex officio, and thus is the highest-ranking official of the Senate; during his absence, the President pro tempore is the highest-ranking official in the Senate and may preside over its sessions."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_pro_tempore_of_the_United_States_Senate


It sounds like the VP does "oversee the Senate" in some form or fashion.

I think it was Disneyador that brought up how much Sarah Palin's clothes cost. (If not, sorry to direct this at you, Disneyador!) So, do you think Michelle Obama is shopping at Wal-Mart? If you have issues with how much the candidates' clothes cost, at least acknowledge that the Obamas & the Bidens aren't exactly Mr. & Mrs. Bargain Basement Sale either.

 

[Marine Mom]

I'm tired of these threads about Sarah Palin being POTUS. A) She's not running for President. B) She does have the experience just in case, God forbid, something happens to McCain...lemme tell you why. Conservatives back me up...I feel my flame suit getting hit hard today.

I don't understand why people would be scared if Palin became POTUS. First off, Palin has about 8 years of executive experience as mayor and governor. Obama has none. I think Obama in there is absolutely terrifying. At least she has SOME experience...he has done ABSOLUTELY nothing! Palin runs the Alaska National Guard and she was in Alaska trying to reform it, breaking HUGE spending and giving it out to the people. And he has NO foreign policy experience...only if you count a trip to Pakistan during college and a rock tour in Europe and the Middle East.

But Palin had to deal with foreign affairs everyday as Alaska is a major place for im/exporting and oil IS the major industry of the Alaska which involves dealing with many foreign government and businesses. But I really don't wanna get into it cause the more I type the more I'll get flamed. But this isn't my opinion...these are facts. So, yes, I feel she is qualified to be C-in-C.

Pete

I am with you! As a mother of a United States Marine, I would rather have McCain in the White House than Barack (no experience whatsoever) Obama any day of the week!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mikelly1221]

That's not socialism. I'm not Christian, but it sounds to me like calling Obama's less absolute form of responsible citizenry "socialism" is pretty-much calling Jesus a socialist as well. Jesus said: "You must go home, sell all that you own and distribute your wealth among the poor." Jesus also said "give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and give unto God that which is God’s”. Taxes are Caesar’s. Compassion for the poor is God’s.

Beyond that, what I hear more and more from a lot of the folks (still) supporting McCain is that they don't think that they have any obligation towards the less fortunate. That's immoral, AFAIC, and unequivocally contrary to compassionate conservatism. Compassionate conservatism doesn't preclude the responsibility of those with means to ensure, "the effective provision of social services" to those who are not with means. (That quote came from Bush, via speechwriter Gerson.) So even if you disagree with the method (i.e., taxation and government programs), the end-result is still an acknowledged responsibility.

And in a pluralistic society, no one is supposed to get things their way; especially given our nation is split 36% Democrat, 27% Republican, 37% Independent, it isn't reasonable to expect the "the effective provision of social services" to be effected 100% via the ultra-conservative model.

Regarding the quote about selling all you have, Jesus told the rich young man that statement to reveal the man's heart and his love for his possessions over his love for Christ. Just pulling the quote takes it out of context. Regarding the Caesar quote, Jesus was confronting the Pharisees that were trying to trap him. Taking that quote slightly out of context distorts its meaning.

In the NT, it is made clear that Christians are to care for others less fortunate than themselves. Christ himself said that one of the 2 great commandments is to love your neighbor as yourself. Personally, I contribute money and time to help others, a good amount. I have no problem doing so. I'm glad to do so. I want to do so.

What I cannot stand is when someone else (other than God in Scripture and my conciensce) tells me where and when I have to do it. That includes my church, that includes my employer when he asked me 3 times if I wanted to deduct some out of my check for the United Way, that includes the government. And when I do give, I make sure the "left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing." It's no one's business when and where I donate, only God's.

Why is it more compassionate to make sure someone depends on you for their whole lives than helping them become self-sufficient? I don't think it is.

 

[mefordis]

1. Can't name a supreme court decision.
2. Can't name a newspaper she reads.
3. Thinks she can see Putin from Wasilla
4. Thinks Afghanistan is a neighboring country
5. States that the founding fathers wrote the pledge of allegience.
6. Doesn't know the role of the VP as outlined by the constitution.
7. Add your own
________________

 

[dennis99ss]

First of all what on earth does this have to do with her being qualified? The RNC has stated that the clothes/accesories would be donated to charity although I have no idea why.

Just one little problem, it is against federal election laws to make purchases for personal benefit. Food, drink, hotel, make up, etc, can all be justified. However, clothes that could be worn elsewhere cannot be.

Thus, the quick claim that all the clothes would be donated.

If a man wears a suit to work, he cannot deduct that suit on his taxes as a work supply expense, because the suit has a personal purpose as well--can wear it on days not at work. If man is a comedian, and he needs to dress up as a clown, the clown suit likely qualifies as an expense, because it would not have the potential to be dual purpose.


so, re palin, she used money to purchase items that would be considered for personal use, and therefore against the fec rules.

The question is not what others may be wearing, but if they are being purchased with election funds. According to reports, the only clothes being purchased with election funds are for her, her husband, and her kids.

second, re the executive office of alaska, there is no doubt that alaska is a state, but, there are big differences between alaska and the other 49. First, it is sparsly populated (i think around 400,000 residents total), and the state capital is smaller than my master planned community. Additionally, due to oil, the state has a surplus, and a surplus enough to pay back citizens, and have no tax. So, while it is true that she has experience, her experience is not the same as, say, the governor of california or texas or new york, etc. Not saying that the size of the state, type of state,etc. lessens her experience, i am just saying that it needs to be taken into account when determining if the experience is as all encompasing as other people with similar positions. But, of course, when russians come over, they fly into alsaka airspace. Shoot, I must be a genious at foreign policy, since I live in Houston and we have foreign ailines flying in our airspace every day.



third, re mcains pick......He picked her after speaking to her for 15 minutes. He picked her not because he felt she was good for the country (Country first?) because how could someone determine if she was good for the country during a 15 minute telephone conversation. Instead, he picked her purely as a political sideshow, looking for a bump of his base, which she did for him, but, since then, she has now become a liability, although still strong with the core base.

I think her as the pick tells us more aboput mccain, his attitude to win at all costs, and, the fact that he picked a lightweight to run with him so he would not have a contrary voice in the white house that people would consider if he did win.

 

[DisFlan]

This is from Wikipedia, so be warned, but it sounds pretty accurate...

"The Vice President of the United States is the President of the Senate ex officio, and thus is the highest-ranking official of the Senate; during his absence, the President pro tempore is the highest-ranking official in the Senate and may preside over its sessions."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_pro_tempore_of_the_United_States_Senate


It sounds like the VP does "oversee the Senate" in some form or fashion.

I think it was Disneyador that brought up how much Sarah Palin's clothes cost. So, do you think Michelle Obama is shopping at Wal-Mart? If you have issue with how much the candidates' clothes cost, at least acknowledge that the Obamas & the Bidens aren't exactly Mr. & Mrs. Bargain Basement Sale either.

You left out the part about the VP not having a vote except in the case of a tie. The VP does not routinely or traditionally preside over the senate at other times. The president pro tempore (elected from the senate majority) presides over the day to day business.

The senate has no mandate to consult the VP other than as a courtesy. As for Palin stating that she'd like "slightly more power for the VP" - that would take a constitutional amendment, which isn't likely. It's also a fact she should already know.

DisFlan

 

[Mikelly1221]

You left out the part about the VP not having a vote except in the case of a tie. The VP does not routinely or traditionally preside over the senate at other times. The president pro tempore (elected from the senate majority) presides over the day to day business.

The senate has no mandate to consult the VP other than as a courtesy. As for Palin stating that she'd like "slightly more power for the VP" - that would take a constitutional amendment, which isn't likely. It's also a fact she should already know.

DisFlan

Well I wasn't trying to exhaustively explain the VP's role in the Senate, I was just trying to show for those that might not be aware, Palin saying that she has a role in the Senate (however small) is not that much in left field.

Also, did she say she didn't know that a Constitutional amendment wasn't needed for the VP to have more power? She'd like slightly more power for the VP. So what? I'm sure Biden would to. I'm sure all VP's would like more power. But her saying she'd like it doesn't mean it will happen or that she doesn't know it would take an amendment.

I'd like a lot of things to happen that I know would take the moving of heaven and earth to accomplish. Just because I say I'd like them to happen doesn't mean that I don't know the effort it would take to accomplish them.

 

[Mikelly1221]

Just one little problem, it is against federal election laws to make purchases for personal benefit. Food, drink, hotel, make up, etc, can all be justified. However, clothes that could be worn elsewhere cannot be.

Thus, the quick claim that all the clothes would be donated.

If a man wears a suit to work, he cannot deduct that suit on his taxes as a work supply expense, because the suit has a personal purpose as well--can wear it on days not at work. If man is a comedian, and he needs to dress up as a clown, the clown suit likely qualifies as an expense, because it would not have the potential to be dual purpose.


so, re palin, she used money to purchase items that would be considered for personal use, and therefore against the fec rules.

The question is not what others may be wearing, but if they are being purchased with election funds. According to reports, the only clothes being purchased with election funds are for her, her husband, and her kids.

And that's why they will be donated after the election. No problem. Just like I'm sure the Obamas/Bidens will donate all of their wardrobe worn during this election. No problem! (Reported or not, there's no way you can tell me that the Obama/Bidens are not using election funds for their wardrobe purchases.)

second, re the executive office of alaska, there is no doubt that alaska is a state, but, there are big differences between alaska and the other 49. First, it is sparsly populated (i think around 400,000 residents total), and the state capital is smaller than my master planned community. Additionally, due to oil, the state has a surplus, and a surplus enough to pay back citizens, and have no tax. So, while it is true that she has experience, her experience is not the same as, say, the governor of california or texas or new york, etc. Not saying that the size of the state, type of state,etc. lessens her experience, i am just saying that it needs to be taken into account when determining if the experience is as all encompasing as other people with similar positions. But, of course, when russians come over, they fly into alsaka airspace. Shoot, I must be a genious at foreign policy, since I live in Houston and we have foreign ailines flying in our airspace every day.

Hopefully, this argument was used when Bill Clinton was running for president, as governor of Arkansas. Nothing against Arkansas, but it's not exactly California or Texas either, is it?

 

[LotsOfQuestions]

Hopefully, this argument was used when Bill Clinton was running for president, as governor of Arkansas. Nothing against Arkansas, but it's not exactly California or Texas either, is it?

You really don't want to go there, comparing Bill Clinton to Sarah Palin.

First of all, Clinton was a Rhodes scholar. Where did Palin go to school?

 

[Mikelly1221]

You really don't want to go there, comparing Bill Clinton to Sarah Palin.

First of all, Clinton was a Rhodes scholar. Where did Palin go to school?

No, I'm sure Bill Clinton has higher educational credentials than Palin, and I'm sure she'd say it, too. I'm saying that if being governor of a less-than-prominent state is a disadvantage for Palin, then it should have been a disadvantage for Clinton. What I'm saying is...be consistent in your arguments!!

 

[dennis99ss]

Sure, I would say the same about arkansas, but, there is still a very big difference between arkansas and alaska as well. alaska is a very unique state. if you haven't been, you need to go. it is beautiful, but, it is also very, very remote. but for modern convienences, it gives a feel of likely what the west was when the west was being settled. I think Alaskans probably want to keep it that way, and good for them.

My comments are directed toward the fact that the argument is that because palin is a governor of a state, she has experience necessary to assume potus. while it does give her some experience, it does not give her all that is needed, especially since she does not have to deal with the problems, or similar problems, that potus deals with, i.e. debt. Hence, the ability to learn, understand, etc. there is, of course, differing minds on her ability to do such, in such a short amount of time.

 

[Sneezie]

I don't buy that any reasonable person thinks she is a good choice on this ticket.

If McCain looses this election Sarah Palin will be the reason why. It was a huge mistake on his part.

I'm not happy with any of the choices in this election but Obama is brilliant & well educated. Palins makes him look so much better to many voters.

We have just had 8 years with a POTUS that most American wanted to have a beer with & it was a disaster. She is another trainwreck waiting to happen.

Is there anyone who REALLY thinks she is a great choice? If you could turn back time would you want him to pick her again?

I resemble your tag. I always think that posters are female and get really confused when they start talking about their wives

 

[Mikelly1221]

Sure, I would say the same about arkansas, but, there is still a very big difference between arkansas and alaska as well. alaska is a very unique state. if you haven't been, you need to go. it is beautiful, but, it is also very, very remote. but for modern convienences, it gives a feel of likely what the west was when the west was being settled. I think Alaskans probably want to keep it that way, and good for them.

My comments are directed toward the fact that the argument is that because palin is a governor of a state, she has experience necessary to assume potus. while it does give her some experience, it does not give her all that is needed, especially since she does not have to deal with the problems, or similar problems, that potus deals with, i.e. debt. Hence, the ability to learn, understand, etc. there is, of course, differing minds on her ability to do such, in such a short amount of time.

From what I hear, Alaska is very beautiful. My sister-in-law & her family lived there at one time, and a good friend from HS lives there now. It's on the list of places I must see before I die!

None of the candidates are perfectly experienced because none of them have done the job before. Of all of them, only Palin has any executive experience. The other 3 have Washington experience, which may or may not be looked at as an advantage.

I haven't seen anything to say that Palin cannot learn quickly. Frankly, I've never thought she was near as dumb as she is consistently being portrayed. Everyone wants to jump on the "Bush Doctrine" comment. I like to think I pay attention to politics more than the general person, but I'd never heard of the Bush Doctrine either. I do agree that she didn't come off as well as I'd have liked in the Katie Couric interview (I didn't watch all of it), but she held her own in the debate against Joe Biden.

 

[LukenDC]

It's not Palin's lack of experience, but her lack of intellectual curiosity that concerns me. She sounds like a rube when she speaks, someone who is better qualified for the Hoop-Dee-Doo Revue than the Oval Office. Her lackluster school records and lack of international travel are major red flags. She comes from the same anti-intellectual wing of the GOP that gave us Dan Quayle and George W. Bush and as a concerned center-right voter, I want to see that wing of the party demolished after election day.

I would rather suffer the pain of an Obama than the agony of another George W. Bush.

 

[HumanLegs]

I don't want to vote for McCain/Palin because I don't agree with their views. I'm pro-choice and I don't agree with Sarah Palin when she said that if her own child was raped, she'd choose life. I'm aware that it's HER family, but it's MY vote. I also don't think drilling is the answer to our problems. I think there should be more alternatives. Wind, solar, bio-diesel, etc.

I'm not very fond of Palin as a person either so of course that influences my vote. She's just too 'folksy' for me. The winking and 'you betcha'ing' just grates on me.

I'm not trying to say that voting for McCain/Palin's a bad idea, it's just not MY cup of tea. Flame away!

 

[LotsOfQuestions]

but she held her own in the debate against Joe Biden.

How so?

She flat out refused to answer any questions she hadn't been prepped for.

She resorted to talking points throughout the debate.

 

[MAKmom]

I resemble your tag. I always think that posters are female and get really confused when they start talking about their wives

I was so confused a few year back I posted a thread & asked all the men to check in. It turned into a Tag Fest,

 

[Uncle Remus]

Anyone see Sarah's latest accessory?:

Bless her heart.