SAP+ ?

[Sandisw]

Agree with all of this 100% and I would specifically add that the combination of restricting resale access (especially after 2040) and an actual crackdown on commercial renting (announced but not yet enforced) could dramatically change the valuation landscape over the next decade or two. I don’t think anybody should buy with the assumption resorts will hold value as well as they did prior to restrictions.

I’ll go further that if DVC decided to not only crack down on those who are defined as commercial, but the rental market in general, it could make people think twice if renting is severely limited.

 

[AstroBlasters]

He was just like we agreed we weren’t moving if we bought DVC. Just goes to show you life can change on a whim. I offered to sell CCV and he said no. He is honestly more unhappy with giving up our current interest rate to move and we also live in a very expensive state.

Oh boy! You are a lot!

 

[VGCgroupie]

Oh boy! You are a lot!

So Ive been told.

 

[atthebeachclub]

Bringing this thread back to life…top SAP+ options in 2025? I feel like the options have gotten murkier. I’m extra curious what people think the top direct SAP+ option is. It feels like every option has a major caveat now.

Caveats:
AKV: most rooms are easy to book at 7 months outside the ones you can’t book at all. Dues.

BLT: small studios don’t fit 5. But I feel like you can use these at the PVB studios without much trouble. WAY too expensive direct.

CCV: need a 2 bedroom to get three sleeping surfaces

GCV: lol. Way too expensive to sleep around.

CFW: no easy washing machine access. Needs a golf cart. High dues. Uncertainty of trust model.

GFV: up front costs; high cost per point resale and direct. Point charts.

OKW extended: dues. Easy to book at 7 months.

PVB: high point charts and questionable views. High resale buy in cost.

RIV: restrictions. Skyliner is divisive; some love it, some hate it.

SSR: expiration and divisive resort. Easy to book at 7 months.

VDH: restrictions, dues and TOT. Can’t easily swap coasts at 7 months without cancelling your reservation.

 

[Potigant]

Bringing this thread back to life…top SAP+ options in 2025? I feel like the options have gotten murkier. I’m extra curious what people think the top direct SAP+ option is. It feels like every option has a major caveat now.

Caveats:
AKV: most rooms are easy to book at 7 months outside the ones you can’t book at all. Dues.

BLT: small studios don’t fit 5. But I feel like you can use these at the PVB studios without much trouble. WAY too expensive direct.

CCV: need a 2 bedroom to get three sleeping surfaces

GCV: lol. Way too expensive to sleep around.

CFW: no easy washing machine access. Needs a golf cart. High dues. Uncertainty of trust model.

GFV: up front costs; high cost per point resale and direct. Point charts.

OKW extended: dues. Easy to book at 7 months.

PVB: high point charts and questionable views. High resale buy in cost.

RIV: restrictions. Skyliner is divisive; some love it, some hate it.

SSR: expiration and divisive resort. Easy to book at 7 months.

VDH: restrictions, dues and TOT. Can’t easily swap coasts at 7 months without cancelling your reservation.

BLT and CCV still seem like the standout SAP+ options as far as value in resale goes

 

[Chili327]

Bringing this thread back to life…top SAP+ options in 2025? I feel like the options have gotten murkier. I’m extra curious what people think the top direct SAP+ option is. It feels like every option has a major caveat now.

Caveats:
AKV: most rooms are easy to book at 7 months outside the ones you can’t book at all. Dues.

BLT: small studios don’t fit 5. But I feel like you can use these at the PVB studios without much trouble. WAY too expensive direct.

CCV: need a 2 bedroom to get three sleeping surfaces

GCV: lol. Way too expensive to sleep around.

CFW: no easy washing machine access. Needs a golf cart. High dues. Uncertainty of trust model.

GFV: up front costs; high cost per point resale and direct. Point charts.

OKW extended: dues. Easy to book at 7 months.

PVB: high point charts and questionable views. High resale buy in cost.

RIV: restrictions. Skyliner is divisive; some love it, some hate it.

SSR: expiration and divisive resort. Easy to book at 7 months.

VDH: restrictions, dues and TOT. Can’t easily swap coasts at 7 months without cancelling your reservation.

Nope, not much has changed. The point of SAP is cheap price as well as cheap dues, since you won’t be using the home resort priority much it doesn’t really matter, that’s where the “+” comes in, so you take the good SAP resorts and choose one you’d like to stay at and there you have your perfect SAP+.

 

[Chili327]

The only thing that could change is if LSL gets added to CFW and the dues drop significantly!!

 

[airjay75]

I didn't read all of the original thread, but CCV and BLT have been the standouts to me for resale contracts that are SAP+. If you're buying direct, I think either RIV or Poly are very good SAP+ depending on which resort is your preference and your comfort with resale restrictions.

Between CCV and BLT, I think I have started to think that CCV may be the better SAP+ option just because it seems like BLT preferred rooms tend to have a lot more availability at the 7-month mark - so, you don't really NEED home resort priority there to stay there most of the time. CCV OTOH has a lot of room categories that are just tough to get at the 7-month mark and you may well not be able to get unless you own there so I think there is a bigger benefit to owning there. And, CCV has a longer contract but the price differences between CCV and BLT on the resale market, particularly with my UY (October), are not very different.

 

[WinterSolider]

The only thing that could change is if LSL gets added to CFW and the dues drop significantly!!

Which isn't going to happen so

 

[Sprinkles&Sprints]

Our top choice for SAP+ is still CCV but I recognize it’s because we mainly travel with two in our party, which makes the smaller studio a non-issue. Plus, the resort is just fab so getting ‘stuck’ there is pretty fantastic!

 

[Chili327]

Which isn't going to happen so

It’s totally going to happen.

#RemindMe in 365 days.

 

[eticketplease]

Between CCV and BLT, I think I have started to think that CCV may be the better SAP+ option just because it seems like BLT preferred rooms tend to have a lot more availability at the 7-month mark - so, you don't really NEED home resort priority there to stay there most of the time. CCV OTOH has a lot of room categories that are just tough to get at the 7-month mark and you may well not be able to get unless you own there so I think there is a bigger benefit to owning there. And, CCV has a longer contract but the price differences between CCV and BLT on the resale market, particularly with my UY (October), are not very different.

I would disagree with this to some extent.

If you are ok to stay in Lake/Preferred view units then yes absolutely as there are 276 rooms if booked separately.

However if you are at all interested in saving points or want to watch the fireworks from your room it is a different story.
Not including GV or Cabins there are 138 rooms at BLT vs 190 at CCV that can book up during the 11 month window.


The other factor is how many people are in your family.
They both sleep 4 in studios however BLT sleeps 5 in the 1 bedroom where CCV you have to step up to a 2 bedroom to sleep that 5th person.

Christmas eve BLT 1 Bedroom is 48 points for a resort view and a CCV 2 bedroom comes in at 64.

The above along with theming and transportation of course only matter if you get "stuck" with your SAP as you are not buying them to stay at the resort anyway but just things to keep in mind.

They are both MK resorts with dues being $0.47 cheaper at BLT while CCV has the length of contract advantage.
IMO you can't go wrong with either as SAP.

 

[eticketplease]

The only thing that could change is if LSL gets added to CFW and the dues drop significantly!!

Through in restrictions being lifted as well and you have my attention.

 

[Brian Noble]

Which isn't going to happen so

I think there is a fighting chance that LSL and CFW get lumped together, because it makes the latter easier to sell and DVD is in the business of selling timeshares. I don't assume that will mean a significant drop in Dues.

I'm not sure I'd take the "they will be combined" bet with even odds, but I might at, say, +130 or so.

Through in restrictions being lifted as well and you have my attention.

Yeah, that isn't going to happen.

 

[airjay75]

I would disagree with this to some extent.

If you are ok to stay in Lake/Preferred view units then yes absolutely as there are 276 rooms if booked separately.

However if you are at all interested in saving points or want to watch the fireworks from your room it is a different story.
Not including GV or Cabins there are 138 rooms at BLT vs 190 at CCV that can book up during the 11 month window.
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The other factor is how many people are in your family.
They both sleep 4 in studios however BLT sleeps 5 in the 1 bedroom where CCV you have to step up to a 2 bedroom to sleep that 5th person.

Christmas eve BLT 1 Bedroom is 48 points for a resort view and a CCV 2 bedroom comes in at 64.

The above along with theming and transportation of course only matter if you get "stuck" with your SAP as you are not buying them to stay at the resort anyway but just things to keep in mind.

They are both MK resorts with dues being $0.47 cheaper at BLT while CCV has the length of contract advantage.
IMO you can't go wrong with either as SAP.

Excellent points. My perspective is affected significantly by the fact that, once I’m at 5 people, I’m in 2 BR territory regardless of which resort (and sort of assume I’ll be there at some point with just my family of 4). And, as you say, if you want resort or TP views at BLT, home resort ownership definitely matters. But, definitely great SAP for either resort with which one might be the best SAP+ maybe coming down to personal preferences on resort and/or room types.

 

[atthebeachclub]

My perspective is affected significantly by the fact that, once I’m at 5 people, I’m in 2 BR territory regardless of which resort

We're a family of four; we aren't necessarily in 2 bedroom territory without bringing grandparents but we are solidly in "3 sleeping surfaces" territory, which is the sole reason I balk at CCV. Without 3 sleeping surfaces, my family will likely descend into insomnia chaos. Studios or 1 bedrooms are both doable with 3 sleeping surfaces. I do love a 2 bedroom though.

 

[cruisehopeful]

Bringing this thread back to life…top SAP+ options in 2025? I feel like the options have gotten murkier. I’m extra curious what people think the top direct SAP+ option is. It feels like every option has a major caveat now.

Caveats:
AKV: most rooms are easy to book at 7 months outside the ones you can’t book at all. Dues.

BLT: small studios don’t fit 5. But I feel like you can use these at the PVB studios without much trouble. WAY too expensive direct.

CCV: need a 2 bedroom to get three sleeping surfaces

GCV: lol. Way too expensive to sleep around.

CFW: no easy washing machine access. Needs a golf cart. High dues. Uncertainty of trust model.

GFV: up front costs; high cost per point resale and direct. Point charts.

OKW extended: dues. Easy to book at 7 months.

PVB: high point charts and questionable views. High resale buy in cost.

RIV: restrictions. Skyliner is divisive; some love it, some hate it.

SSR: expiration and divisive resort. Easy to book at 7 months.

VDH: restrictions, dues and TOT. Can’t easily swap coasts at 7 months without cancelling your reservation.

Since you asked about SAP+ DIRECT, my opinion is Polynesian. My reasoning is:
*Long houses have 3 sleeping surfaces
*Long houses have split bathroom
* One bedroom tower has 2 bathrooms
*Lower buy in cost due to current incentives
*Annual dues aren't bad
*No resale restrictions should be easy to sell if you ever need to
*Great transportation to Magic Kingdom, Grand Floridian and the Contemporary

If you asked about resale, I would go with BLT. The one bedrooms are a bargain and they have 2 bathrooms.

 

[airjay75]

We're a family of four; we aren't necessarily in 2 bedroom territory without bringing grandparents but we are solidly in "3 sleeping surfaces" territory, which is the sole reason I balk at CCV. Without 3 sleeping surfaces, my family will likely descend into insomnia chaos. Studios or 1 bedrooms are both doable with 3 sleeping surfaces. I do love a 2 bedroom though.

You make a very good point about the 3 sleeping surfaces in the 1 BRs villas (and of course, the 2 bathrooms too). Even with my 4 and 6 year old, it is easier to get them to sleep by themselves when they can each have their own bed. Hmm. Maybe I do still want some BLT points - haha.

 

[eticketplease]

You make a very good point about the 3 sleeping surfaces in the 1 BRs villas (and of course, the 2 bathrooms too). Even with my 4 and 6 year old, it is easier to get them to sleep by themselves when they can each have their own bed. Hmm. Maybe I do still want some BLT points - haha.

Looks you are coming up on the comma club rather quickly

 

[airjay75]

Looks you are coming up on the comma club rather quickly

Thankfully, there haven't been any "too good to resist" CCV or BLT contracts come along since the one CCV resale I've picked up. And, I should probably say you're definitely wrong, but I don't think I can say that at this point .