Rush Resigns

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by ThAnswr
He inserted race where it shouldn't have been inserted.

Then I assume you're equally critical of the countless sportswriters who have written articles about black quarterbacks (or lack thereof) in the NFL?

 

[perdidobay]

This whole thing boils down to the fact that people with an agenda, what ever it may be, will always find what they are looking for, whether it is there or not. I believe my statement applies to both sides of this issue we are discussing.

 

[Galahad]

You don't really expect "FAIR" to be taken as a credible source, do you?

 

[cardaway]

Originally posted by Galahad
You don't really expect "FAIR" to be taken as a credible source, do you?

So are you saying they were not said or only slamming the source?

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by cardaway
So are you saying they were not said or only slamming the source?

I took it as we can't really be sure what was said because the source isn't credible.

 

[cardaway]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
I took it as we can't really be sure what was said because the source isn't credible.

What he said is pretty easy to prove via transscripts or tapes.

 

[Galahad]

I seriously doubt, for example, that he said "who the h*** cares" what black people think. I know he did the Carol Mosely Braun schtick. That is completely consistant. I don't see how it is racist though or shows that he has "trouble" with color.

 

[cardaway]

Originally posted by Galahad
I seriously doubt, for example, that he said "who the h*** cares" what black people think. I know he did the Carol Mosely Braun schtick. That is completely consistant. I don't see how it is racist though or shows that he has "trouble" with color.

Feel free to do a search on any of the quotes in the article. I searched this one and found many sites quoting it exactly the same.

"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

Once again, very easy to prove with tapes and transscripts. Of course it wouldn't shock me if you deny he said these things because the sites reporting it don't like Rush. Ignore the fact he said them.

 

[Galahad]

Of course it wouldn't shock me if you deny he said these things because the sites reporting it don't like Rush

Do you read a lot of my posts? I don't have a history of being all that partisan. If all of the sites quote the same thing, it is likely that they simply piggy back on each other. So what difference does it make that a lot of places say it? Right wing nutburger sites to the same thing. Most of what FAIR reports about folks like Rush is not inaccuate in the detail of the quote, but in the implications and meaning of it. Most of the first barrage of "outing" Rush stuff they did relied upon timeline inaccuacies. He says something in a February that is no longer valid because of events in May, the the publish comes out in July and they say "see, he doesn't know what he's saying......".

I'm not a defender of Rush.....I've said that I strongly disagree with him about a lot of things. But I am particulaly bothered by the incessent search for racism where it doesn't exist.

 

[Galahad]

"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

You do understand the context of this statement don't you? Rush believes that the NAACP no longer represents either the best interest of those it is suppose to represent, nor even that it stands for what it did 30 years ago. But rather, that, along with Jesse Jackson, has become a instrument in corporate and civic "shake downs", feeding on peoples fears of being branded as racists.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Ignore the fact he said them.

Thing is, you haven't shown that it is a fact that he said them. And sorry, but I don't have access to his tapes and/or transcripts.

But I am particulaly bothered by the incessent search for racism where it doesn't exist.

Bingo!! It really makes them into the boy that cried wolf when something does really happen.

 

[Lanshark]

Funny, Dusty Baker was not forced to resign for racist statements he made a few months back. What's the difference?

Personally, I can't stand Rush but I don't find his statements to be any more offensive then Bakers.

http://chicago.about.com/cs/historycharacters/a/cs_Dusty_Baker.htm

 

[cardaway]

So we go from saying Rush didn't say them to saying he was taken out of context.

For the record I never said Rush, Dusty, or anybody should be fired over these things. That is a decision for those directly involved, people who hear more than we ever do.

 

[Galahad]

So we go from saying Rush didn't say them to saying he was taken out of context.

Cute. Were did I say Rush didn't say them? (except in the case of doubting he said "who cares").

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by Lanshark
Funny, Dusty Baker was not forced to resign for racist statements he made a few months back. What's the difference?

Personally, I can't stand Rush but I don't find his statements to be any more offensive then Bakers.

http://chicago.about.com/cs/historycharacters/a/cs_Dusty_Baker.htm

Lanshark, you must not understand the PC rules. By definition, Blacks cannot make "racists" comments about other Blacks (or any other race, for that matter). The rules only apply to Whites (same with "hate crimes", btw)

Look, the press was beside themselves that Rush got this job in the first place, so they were looking for any thing to glom on to to "get" him. It was only a matter of time. He was gonna say something controversial--we all knew it. It's why ESPN hired him in the first place.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by Robinrs

My son does not need to hear this kind of crap while watching a football game. I spend all week trying to make this world of ours colorless, but as the McNabb said, he's dealt with this all of his life, as I have, and you'd THINK it would be over with now.

I guess I can forget that pipe dream.

Well, the you might as well keep the sports on TV turned off, stop reading the sports pages, and cancel your subscriptions to Sports Illustrated and the like. To believe that sports journalism is purely apolitical is just plain naive. We have sports journalists putting pressure on Augusta to admit women. We have sports journalist putting pressure on teams to drop "offensive" mascot names, we have sports journalists lobbying for having more black coaches. We have sports journalists doing handstands whenever a minority succeeds in a sport that's not traditionally one in which the minority succeeds (Tiger Woods, anyone? Hockey is another example). So, yea, you can forget that pipe dream, because the same people that ran Rush out are fomenting the perceptions that Rush was commenting on.

 

[Teejay32]

Are they "sports journalists" though? Or are they just ordinary journalists trying to find a big story in a sports figure or team, I wonder.

I think Galahad said it best in the other thread, paraphrased, that Rush can't help but inject politics into everything he does, and while what he said might not have been "racist" he was definitely bringing race issues into the thing when it's not usually seen....and that's controversy enough.

I like pre-game shows the way I usually see them, basically a few big happy nutty football guys talking about the different teams and their injured and their chances of winning anything. No politics involved.

 

[ThAnswr]

>>>>Rush is Rush, always controversial, and I seldom agree whole heartedly with him, but he is entitled to his say, even if everyone else disagrees with him. Once again, where has freedom of speech gone?<<<<

It hasn't gone anywhere.

He said what he said and to criticize him for his remarks is not denying his freedom of speech.

To say he had no right to say it would've been denying his freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean anyone has the right to say anything and not be criticized for it. The one doing the criticizing also has the right to freedom of speech.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by ThAnswr
>>>>Rush is Rush, always controversial, and I seldom agree whole heartedly with him, but he is entitled to his say, even if everyone else disagrees with him. Once again, where has freedom of speech gone?<<<<

It hasn't gone anywhere.

He said what he said and to criticize him for his remarks is not denying his freedom of speech.

To say he had no right to say it would've been denying his freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean anyone has the right to say anything and not be criticized for it. The one doing the criticizing also has the right to freedom of speech.

ITA - no one has said that he can't say whatever he wants, so long as he is willing to face the consequences of doing so.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by Robinrs
Good riddance.

Of course it's not offensive to someone who hasn't had to deal with this kind of rhetoric all of their lives.

What I don't understand is why no one expected Rush to be Rush in another medium. This statement is classic him, I'll never forget the first show he broadcast on our station, pure racist, but it's okay as long as the audience is HIS. His PI comments should stay with his audience and are not for everyone.

My son does not need to hear this kind of crap while watching a football game. I spend all week trying to make this world of ours colorless, but as the McNabb said, he's dealt with this all of his life, as I have, and you'd THINK it would be over with now.

I guess I can forget that pipe dream.

Yeah, good riddance!!

Maybe now he'll have more time to get over his oxycontin addiction!