Rumors of major changes at CR in 2006?

[spiceycat]

GeekChic

I too got had by horrible timeshare saleman - Westgate (no offensive to anyone who owns at Westgate but when you paid $7,000 for a property had is only worth $2,000 you feel had!!!)

So I can understand.

DVC is not like that at all - no way - no how!!!

DVC is the best!!!

they take care of their properties - there is no HARD sell - remember in 2042 or 2054 (depending upon the property) WDW gets this back -

if work needs to be done at any DVC resort - it is done.

members probably call more often about problems than just resort guests. the members want their resort to the best!!!

DVC always fixes anything that the members or guests wants done - or they have in my case. BCV had a problem with the air conditioning - first I got told it was the elevators - but it only took a second to convience the man that the problem was the air-conditioning - he couldn't fix it, he called his manager, he couldn't fix it - so they went outside of WDW to the firm that they brought these things from - they since an engineer - a part was in the wrong place.....

I don't know of any other timeshares or resorts for that matter - who would have gone to this much trouble.

DVC is much better than closing the resort - besides Cont badly needs the money to fix it up - that water problem was probably the start of some bad problems - remember the tower has the monrail running through it - they now use white sound so the guests won't complaint - but the jaring still must be hurting the structure.

DVC tries very hard to match the current resort - go look at VWL and BCV if you don't believe me - they want their resorts to look like they were planned from the beginning. I think they do an excellent job.

I think you probably need to stay at a DVC resort. You can rent points here for less money than going through CRO (or DTC). Try it once!

 

[lenshanem]

Can someone link me to CR's water problem? I missed that one!
Thanks!

 

[manning]

DVC has become the most profitable division at WDW and it is just good business practice to continue that.

Not always a good business practice. There will be a point when it will not be. The hard part is figuring out when you reach that point. It's like the stock market. The losers think prices will never fall.

 

[airlarry!]

"It sounds like you would be part of that camp that thinks WDW shouldn't even have the values cause it brings in a lower class of people. "

I've never heard any one on the DIS say this, but I could be wrong. What a horrible thing to say.

The more important issue that no one has addressed is what does DVC add to function and plan for the resort.

Remember that the entire Florida project was supposed to be something like Walt's vision for EPCOT. We all know that it didn't work out to be that way. Agreed.

But what did make it? The MK, with two (three now) resorts tucked around a big beautiful lake, with futuristic (even to kids today) transportation that whisks you to your destination in minutes.

In the case of the Campground, you got a big beautiful campground that looked nothing like the KOA's of the 60s and 70s and had BOAT service directly to the MK, and a water park and entertainment next door!

What has DVC added to this? Not to the individual DVC owner...I mean to the entire resort?

How has the pace of growth of the moderates, values, and DVC units added to the resort when we think in terms of Walt's ideas on transportation?

Will the CR DVC be a good thing or a bad thing?

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by airlarry!
"It sounds like you would be part of that camp that thinks WDW shouldn't even have the values cause it brings in a lower class of people. "

I've never heard any one on the DIS say this, but I could be wrong. What a horrible thing to say.

I've seen it said a number of times in one way or another. I can think of three additional threads that addressed this in one way or another. One was the one about the BCV lobby activity and how it had changed BCV. Another was on the DVC board where some people talked about the value resorts bringing in a less desireable group. The last was someone who essentially said that they thought they were joinging an exclusive group when they joined DVC and they implied that DVC lowering the points minimums allowed in a less desireable crowd.

 

[JPN4265]

Originally posted by GeekChic
Here's a link to the original post in Resorts, toesmom1 posted some info she heard from a maintainence worker at the CR during her stay.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=616570




My husband is a structural engineer and is very concerned about these issues.

geek

What issues? Is your husband concerned about snow loads because the buildings are to close together? What structural concerns?

 

[Lewisc]

I'd think you'd have a lot of people complaining during the construction phase. Noise, construction activity using a chunk of the parking lot, dirt etc.

Disney might have to either block off sections of the tower or slash rates to avoid complaints.

I'm sure a DVC addition will result in improvements to the common areas including the pool area.

I agree with most of the posters, the finished product will be fine. I wonder how many more DVC properties before pool hopping becomes history?

 

[DancingBear]

Originally posted by Lewisc
I'd think you'd have a lot of people complaining during the construction phase. Noise, construction activity using a chunk of the parking lot, dirt etc.

Disney might have to either block off sections of the tower or slash rates to avoid complaints.

Did they do those things when they built DVC at the Beach Club or Wilderness Lodge?

 

[Sarangel]

Can someone link me to CR's water problem? I missed that one!

Shan, here's the Link.

Sarangel

 

[Lewisc]

Originally posted by DancingBear
Did they do those things when they built DVC at the Beach Club or Wilderness Lodge?

The Contemporary would involve demolishing an exiting hotel (wing). Disney didn't have to do that with BCV or WLV.

I know Disney wound up having to block out rooms at the BC during the construction. The way the BC is set up it wasn't a huge percentage of the rooms, really just the wing facing the construction. I'd think Disney would have to block out a fair number of rooms in the Contemporary. It would be tough arguing with a guest demanding a room or resort transfer during the demolition phase or a lower floor room during the construction phase.

These are issues that Disney can easily deal with, closing the entire hotel for renovations may make the most sense.

 

[Chuck S]

Were CR tower rooms blocked off during the construction of the Convention Center? I don't think so, I stayed in the tower and had a great construction view. The North Wing demolition/DVC construction would be a lot less noticable than the convention center construction.

 

[spiceycat]

what does DVC add to a resort?

Money!!! yes more Money!!! yes and more Money!!!

Dvc owners tend to use their resort restuarants and other things - so again more money....Most DVC members will get just about anything with their RESORT on it.....so again more money.

VWL added the gym to WL plus a quiet pool.

a DVC resort would insured a much better pool - but what else - since this is the first WDW resort - I really miss the cinema it had - I would hope that DVC could bring that back. Not to show movies - but what Cont had a welcome center for new guests - it showed the properties at WDW and how best to get around, all the special shows, meets, some you can pay and do, other free - it was pretty wonderful!!!

the arcade at Cont while big - needs an upgrade - DVC will insure that happens.

I think the gym at the Cont would probably get an upgrade.

the landscaping at the Cont would definitely be better.

 

[Lewisc]

Originally posted by spiceycat

Dvc owners tend to use their resort restuarants and other things - so again more money....Most DVC members will get just about anything with their RESORT on it.....so again more money.

Are you sure? DVC units have kitchens. SSR was built without a formal restaurant.

BTW I agree with the rest of your post. DVC at Contemporary would probably result in an overall renovation of the resort.

 

[Planogirl]

I got the sense that the OP was most concerned about crowds overwhelming the existing infrastructure at the CR. I never saw that she supposedly looked down on DVC members but maybe I missed that. As for DVC members spending more than regular visitors who are not DVC, I agree with that in the short term. Over time I would expect both groups to spend about the same, not that it really matters.

I like the idea of CR getting some much needed attention however that's accomplished. I just hope that whatever is built fits in well. Wasn't there also mention of a parking garage? Those aren't always the most attractive structures.

 

[KNWVIKING]

***"As for DVC members spending more than regular visitors who are not DVC, I agree with that in the short term. Over time I would expect both groups to spend about the same, not that it really matters."***

I spend less per trip then then a non-DVC guest, but since I go 3 times a year I probably spend more.

 

[JPN4265]

Originally posted by Deep-Thots
Boy, I'll say. Gosh, this sounds a lot like the BCV and BWV DVCers complaining about the non-DVC members who use the bus that stops at those two resorts plus (gasp!!) the Swan and Dolphin. There is no justice in this world, I tell you. Sigh.

I thought that the transportation system was open to everyone as long as they had a ticket or passport to ride them?


BUSH IN 2004! THE COUNTRY NEEDS HIS LEADERSHIP

 

[GeekChic]

I got the sense that the OP was most concerned about crowds overwhelming the existing infrastructure at the CR. I never saw that she supposedly looked down on DVC members but maybe I missed that. As for DVC members spending more than regular visitors who are not DVC, I agree with that in the short term. Over time I would expect both groups to spend about the same, not that it really matters.

thank you planogirl, i don't look down on dvc owners just like i don't look down on people who only stay at value resorts...i stay at value resorts too on some trips! i'm not a snob, honest.

i was worried about the extra people traffic at the monorail station of an extra resort worth of people; there is only one elevator (i'm disabled) and it gets crowded there with just the one hotel already.

i forget who asked (sorry) DH was mostly worried about damage to existing buildings during the construction. accidents do happen, would hate to see anything happen to what was left of the CR or maybe cranes or something damaging monorail tracks.

like i said, its mostly an emotional connection and the feeling of a childhood home being torn down that i get when talking about this...that is something i think that people who 'grew up' at wdw and have a favorite resort can hopefully relate to.

i am not a snob. honest.

geek

 

[Chuck S]

Construction Damage? Think about it. We're talking about the North Wing, not the tower. It has no more potential to damage the monorail tracks ot tower than the construction for the addition of the COnvention Center, years ago. Basically, those concerns should be nil.

 

[Planogirl]

Geekchic, some people seem kind of quick to jump to conclusions maybe because of past squabbles with others. I don't think that you're a snob either.

Personally, I would be REAL concerned if Disney was tearing down a building and adding other buildings to one of my two favorite resorts. Disney certainly does have the expertise but they do some nutty things sometimes IMO.

I hope that the CR gets the kind of attention it's needed for such a long time. We love visiting that resort even though we've never stayed there.

 

[GeekChic]

well i just don't like the idea, and no one's gonna make me! LOL

so that's the end of this thread for me. i don't need to be talked down to, belittled for having an opinion or told my concerns should be 'nil'. they're my concerns. everyone is entitled to have them.

hopefully this thread will die or people will get bored of picking on me for having an opinion and move on.

thanks again plano for trying to be nice to me! i'm moving on now.

geek