Rumor now True...Canceled room=Canceled FP

[mrsap]

Looks like @rteetz rumor was true.

https://www.wdwmagic.com/other/myma...-to-fastpass-reduce-misuse-of-the-service.htm

 

[_19disnA]

While it may be true, that website is NOT an official Disney source.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

Great news!!!

 

[AngiTN]

I can't vouch for the info from the website but I can vouch that I accidentally tested this over the weekend when I canceled a room I booked for a stay for later this month for the AP VIP night. We had just booked a few days before and we found out we had to cancel so I canceled the room. I went in 2 days ago to book FP for an April stay and the FP for the canceled stay are still there (well over 2 days after I canceled the room). Now, we do have additional resort stays booked. Would it have canceled them if we had no additional resort stays? I have no idea but the additional stays I have booked were outside of 60 days when I canceled that room.

 

[karen4546]

Great news!!!

agree

 

[mrsap]

While it may be true, that website is NOT an official Disney source.

Maybe not, but I’ve never seen anything they posted that wasn’t true. They are the only site I use for info.

 

[AngiTN]

I do think there may be something to it if there is no other resort stay at all not if there's still A stay of some sort still there, even if the original stay is canceled.
For instance, say someone wants a 7 day stay CL at YC but can't find it. So they start out booking a 2 day stay at YC in a Standard room and then a 5 day CL stay. If they can't ever get the full stay they want, they'll leave the split stay but they check daily for the stay they want. If you can, eventually, you change that 5 day reservation it to a 7 day stay, starting at the same date as their 2 day Standard room stay. They then cancel the 2 day standard stay. I doubt it's going to cancel the FP booked when they had the 2 day stay. Believe me, I book stays like this all the time. I bet I'm not the only one.
If that all makes any sense

 

[focusondisney]

I can't vouch for the info from the website but I can vouch that I accidentally tested this over the weekend when I canceled a room I booked for a stay for later this month for the AP VIP night. We had just booked a few days before and we found out we had to cancel so I canceled the room. I went in 2 days ago to book FP for an April stay and the FP for the canceled stay are still there (well over 2 days after I canceled the room). Now, we do have additional resort stays booked. Would it have canceled them if we had no additional resort stays? I have no idea but the additional stays I have booked were outside of 60 days when I canceled that room.

But you are within 30 days? Anyone can book FPs at 30 days, so it would make sense that those aren’t cancelled. If you book at 60 days, then cancel your resort at 55 days, I wonder what would happen?

 

[AngiTN]

But you are within 30 days? Anyone can book FPs at 30 days, so it would make sense that those aren’t cancelled. If you book at 60 days, then cancel your resort at 55 days, I wonder what would happen?

Right, I'm talking about within 30 days. Your FP have always been canceled if you canceled of 30 days. I didn't read the article. Is that all it's saying, that if you cancel outside of 30 days it will cancel FP? If so, that's not news or new

 

[DisneyWishes14]

Right, I'm talking about within 30 days. Your FP have always been canceled if you canceled of 30 days. I didn't read the article. Is that all it's saying, that if you cancel outside of 30 days it will cancel FP? If so, that's not news or new

Yes, it is news. Before they closed this loophole, you could book a resort reservation, make FP+ at 60 days, cancel the resort reservation and, as long as you had valid ticket media linked to MDE, retain those FP+. You just couldn't modify those FP+ until you were within the 30 day window. It was a HUGE loophole that allowed guests who never had any intention of staying onsite to make FP+ at 60 days. They also, it seems, closed the loophole that allowed people who did onsite/offsite splits to get a rolling 60 day window. Basically the whole system was tightened up to ensure only guests who are actually staying onsite will get the 60 day window and only for the days they are actually staying at a WDW or other qualifying resort.

 

[crvetter]

People are confirming that this is true as MDE isn't allowing the loopholes anymore. Throwaway rooms or cancelling a room within 30 days. Throwaway rooms are only giving the 60 day advantage to check in and check out the "rolling 60 day window" loophole is officially closed.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/d...elled-confirmed.3732429/page-31#post-60293063 <- Confirmation
https://www.disboards.com/threads/d...elled-confirmed.3732429/page-30#post-60292787 <- Start from here for the news that broke today

I for one am glad these loopholes are getting shut down. The one common concern is are split stays now going to be treated like ADR for Fastpass selection. I for one hope not as the ADR seem to be the unfair one for those doing legitimate consecutive nights at different resorts.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

Right, I'm talking about within 30 days. Your FP have always been canceled if you canceled of 30 days. I didn't read the article. Is that all it's saying, that if you cancel outside of 30 days it will cancel FP? If so, that's not news or new

The article...
Disney World has introduced updates to its FastPass+ service yesterday aimed at reducing misuse of the service.

If a FastPass+ reservation is made in a timeframe that is dependent on a resort reservation, and that resort reservation is cancelled, so is the FastPass+.

Some guests have been abusing the system by making a resort reservation, then making FastPass+ reservations using the resort guest 60 day pre-arrival window, and then cancelling the resort reservation. This will no longer be possible.

If you do have FastPass+ selections that are dependent on a resort reservation and you cancel, you will have a 2 day grace period to create another booking to retain those FastPass+ selections.

Another change effective this week limits resort hotel guests using the 60 day pre arrival booking window to a FastPass+ period as long as their resort stay. If you have a ticket longer than your resort stay, you will need to wait until the 30 day pre arrival booking window to make additional FastPass+ reservations. With a 14 day ticket being the longest available and using a 60 day pre arrival booking window, this puts the maximum FastPass+ window at 74 days out. Exceptions to this are guests taking part in the chargeable Theme Park Extra plan, which has a 90 day pre arrival booking window.

 

[AngiTN]

Yes, it is news. Before they closed this loophole, you could book a resort reservation, make FP+ at 60 days, cancel the resort reservation and, as long as you had valid ticket media linked to MDE, retain those FP+. You just couldn't modify those FP+ until you were within the 30 day window. It was a HUGE loophole that allowed guests who never had any intention of staying onsite to make FP+ at 60 days. They also, it seems, closed the loophole that allowed people who did onsite/offsite splits to get a rolling 60 day window. Basically the whole system was tightened up to ensure only guests who are actually staying onsite will get the 60 day window and only for the days they are actually staying at a WDW or other qualifying resort.

I've always understood that FP would be canceled if you canceled a resort day between day 60 and day 31. You had to keep the resort reservation until day 29, right? Then cancel. Isn't that what folks have been doing? That's what I've always read/understood the process to be anyway. Never staying off-site, with no plans to I've never bothered to figure it out myself.
The rolling thing is making my head roll so I'm not even going to bother trying to understand what on earth that could possibly mean.

 

[FSU Girl]

I've always understood that FP would be canceled if you canceled a resort day between day 60 and day 31. You had to keep the resort reservation until day 29, right? Then cancel. Isn't that what folks have been doing? That's what I've always read/understood the process to be anyway. Never staying off-site, with no plans to I've never bothered to figure it out myself.
The rolling thing is making my head roll so I'm not even going to bother trying to understand what on earth that could possibly mean.

No you could have cancelled within 60 to 31 days and it wouldn't cancel your fp, you just couldn't touch them to modify them until after 30 days. My understanding for this new rule is no matter what your fast pass will be cancelled. I change my hotels around a lot and cancel and rebook a new one since I can't modify online, I wonder what will happen now with those fast passes if the new room is booked before the old one is canceled.

 

[AngiTN]

No you could have cancelled within 60 to 31 days and it wouldn't cancel your fp, you just couldn't touch them to modify them until after 30 days. My understanding for this new rule is no matter what your fast pass will be cancelled. I change my hotels around a lot and cancel and rebook a new one since I can't modify online, I wonder what will happen now with those fast passes if the new room is booked before the old one is canceled.

I guess that's why I've been so confused about where a change in policy is since I thought the new policy is what the policy has always been

 

[Hoodie]

To me, the bigger loophole closed is the length of stay one. How many times have we even seen on these board about split on/offsite stay where people make sure to book their onsite first to get the 60+ day FP window for the whole trip, even when they move offsite. That will do more to end the "throw away" room issue than the 30-60 day loophole. Why bother with a "throwaway" room when you can only book 1 or 2 days of FPs off it?

 

[Queen of the WDW Scene]

Do we think this is going to free up some hard to get FP at the 60 day mark for people that actually plan to book and keep their room?
I've been surprised at how non existent SDD is for just 2 people and wonder if people doing this is a big factor.

 

[mrsap]

Do we think this is going to free up some hard to get FP at the 60 day mark for people that actually plan to book and keep their room?
I've been surprised at how non existent SDD is for just 2 people and wonder if people doing this is a big factor.

That would be nice!

 

[lanejudy]

I guess that's why I've been so confused about where a change in policy is since I thought the new policy is what the policy has always been

In the past, the system would warn, but as long as tickets were still linked FP+ did not get canceled (just the resort).

 

[mi*vida*loca]

No you could have cancelled within 60 to 31 days and it wouldn't cancel your fp, you just couldn't touch them to modify them until after 30 days. My understanding for this new rule is no matter what your fast pass will be cancelled. I change my hotels around a lot and cancel and rebook a new one since I can't modify online, I wonder what will happen now with those fast passes if the new room is booked before the old one is canceled.

You get a 2 day grace period to book a new room.