*Rumor* Extra Magic Hours going away

[ChipnDale79]

But Fastpass have always resulted in longer Stand-By lines for the same attractions. It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" concept. What FP did was provide a placebo effect for customer satisfaction, "well, at least I didn't have to wait for..." If you could removed FP altogether for a ride, you'll probably notice a >25% drop in Stand-By wait times. Shopping-/dining-wise, for Disney, that might as well mean to for every consumer who gets through on FP, there are three more that are side-tracked.

Right, but when you add more FP options, like for example Haunted Mansion, Spaceship Earth, and Pirates, you create longer lines for more rides.

I think there are some pretty cool things about Fast Pass plus, like for example we have 3 FPs scheduled for our arrival day, we most likely wouldnt have been able to ride all 3 of those rides on arrival day before. However, I still believe a mixture of the legacy and new fast past system are needed.

 

[ChipnDale79]

Hanes "Beefy" tees are perceived as out-of shape middle-age guys (like me). Thin t-shirts than shrink are in fashion these days. Both because minnineuls often have the bodies to wear tight shirts and because sites like Threadless have created an ephemeral nature of t-shirts, where they should be discarded before the joke/message gets old or you are seen wearing the same shirt too often.

I screwed up my font somehow and the only way to respond to this paragraph, was in a new post. yeah, i dunno what i did haha.

But I call those shirts "Smediums", where a XL fits like a L and its tight all around. Old Navy sells them like hot cakes, but those aren't what I'm talking about. The Disney shirts that have shrunk on me are normal fitting t shirts, now before everyone says i must be gaining weight, keep in mind they shrink lengthwise also, and by a decent amount.

I have a handful that have stood the test of the time, but the vast majority of them are now junk.

 

[doconeill]

But Fastpass have always resulted in longer Stand-By lines for the same attractions. It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" concept. What FP did was provide a placebo effect for customer satisfaction, "well, at least I didn't have to wait for..." If you could removed FP altogether for a ride, you'll probably notice a >25% drop in Stand-By wait times. Shopping-/dining-wise, for Disney, that might as well mean to for every consumer who gets through on FP, there are three more that are side-tracked.

Fastpass did not make attractions more efficient - it just removed guests from the lines. The standby lines were not necessarily _faster_ (that would require removing guests altogether), but they were _shorter_ in length. They just moved slower. And the fact that they moved slower also affected perception of some to believe they took longer.

However, as I mentioned Fastpass didn't get guests to go get food or shop more - they just got in other lines. But the biggest impact was in the attractions _without_ Fastpass, as that's where the majority went.

Interestingly, Fastpass+ changed things. The standby wait times actually did improve measurably for attractions that had Fastpass before, as it stopped people from getting multiple Fastpasses for the same attraction (or greatly reduced, since they've added unrestricted additional FP+), and those power uses rode the popular attractions less. But this ended up pushing MORE people into the other attractions - those that got FP+ that didn't have Fastpass, and the standby-only attractions, where the wait times increased even more.

 

[skier_pete]

Interestingly, Fastpass+ changed things. The standby wait times actually did improve measurably for attractions that had Fastpass before, as it stopped people from getting multiple Fastpasses for the same attraction (or greatly reduced, since they've added unrestricted additional FP+), and those power uses rode the popular attractions less. But this ended up pushing MORE people into the other attractions - those that got FP+ that didn't have Fastpass, and the standby-only attractions, where the wait times increased even more.

What I noticed (and none of this is a surprise) are the rides that USED to have FP and still do have shorter lines, while the rides that DIDN'T used to have FP and now DO have longer standby lines. (HM and GMR are two good examples of this.) That would indicate that FP+ did a better job of redistributing people such that they don't wait as long for individual attractions but probably wait as long overall, yet the perceived wait times are shorter.

 

[peg110]

Hanes "Beefy" tees are perceived as for out-of shape middle-age guys (like me). Thin t-shirts that shrink are in fashion these days. Both because Millennials often have the bodies to wear tight shirts and because sites like Threadless have created an ephemeral nature of t-shirts, where they should be discarded before the joke/message gets old or you are seen wearing the same shirt too often.

HUH?

 

[maltdizzy]

HUH?

Well, i was going off on a tangent with the mention of lightweight versus heavy tees. But...

Heavier, loose-fitting Hanes tees are looked on as "old man's clothes" in the screen-printing business anymore. Younger consumers won't touch 'em; they want skin-tight and light-weight. American Apparel is popular anymore. And keeping a shirt for years?...passé. If it's not timely and new, it gets discarded for something that is.

 

[umichigan10]

Thank you, these are some the truest words I have ever seen posted on this site. And ones that are not alone, even outside this forum.

And now a short related parable: I was at a business networking function earlier this week. During conversation, ESPN somehow came up (someone was interested in job opportunities there). An ex-staffer of ESPN happened to be in attendance and it was striking -- and almost frightening -- to see his visceral reaction to the mention of his prior employer's name. While I don't have the memory to quote him verbatim, here is the gist of what he said.

"ESPN used to be an open, dynamic organization that was always open to new talent and ideas. But it has now become harder to get into than Fort Knox. And that all has to do with the new bottom line, "we-don't-want-any-disruptive-idea-types-here" Iger quarter to quarter management philosophy. The Disney way now has become all about keeping your head down, your mouth shut and doing what you are told."

I honestly can't stand that network save for a few services at this point. When you completely ignore one sport (hockey) because you don't cover it, I lose all respect for someone who calls themselves 'the worldwide leader'.

I've come to the conclusion that, like the NFL, that I'm a fan of the product but hate the corporate entity. I love Disney parks and have made tons of memories there but I despise the corporation that has neglected them and done all they can to alienate their loyal fanbase

 

[msdroz]

Those are all extras you get for booking a package. EMH is an extra you get for staying on-site regardless of package.

Extra Magic Hours DID get added to the travel agent schedule. As mentioned before, there was nothing more than a panic rumor that happens every year.

Thank you for clarifying and sorry for the confusion!!

 

[larandtra1990]

Like I said, overreaction and it gives the complainers another reason to complain. Positive criticism is one thing, but, if you hate the product and Disney policy and changes so much, speak with your wallet and stop going.

 

[Mox714]

According to a post on wdwmagic Travel agents were sent a copy of the January 2016 park calendar. What's missing that is normally there is EMH. Spirit chimes in later saying that he was told that EMH would be eventually going away just no sure timetable. This would of course take away a perk from WDW hotels. The DTD area Hilton recently said they would not be doing EMH after 2015, is it because EMH is going away?

I just received an email from Disney about planing my 2016 vacation. It included EMH as one of the perks. Has anyone else received this?

 

[rteetz]

I just received an email from Disney about planing my 2016 vacation. It included EMH as one of the perks. Has anyone else received this?

Yes it's been confirmed they will be back. The calendar that didn't have them was a mistake.

 

[peg110]

Amazing how one "Mistake" can cause so much turmoil.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

Actually-I think EMH could use an overhaul. I like the discussion...I mean gossip.

1) The Hilton at DTD (hotel row) has already announced no more EMH for their guests after January 1, 2016.
2) Don't know if this is just them, or the start of EMH change(s).

NOTE:
The Disney website advertising advantages of the Disney Resort Area Hotels no longer has EMH as a benefit. See Disney Resort Area Hotels

 

[doconeill]

1) The Hilton at DTD (hotel row) has already announced no more EMH for their guests after January 1, 2016.

Have they actually announced no more EMH for their guests? Or just the note on the web site? Have they simply not negotiated an extension of the benefit yet? Questions still remain to be answered.

That said, I've always felt that Morning EMH was a HUGE advantage to resort guests, because they had a BIG head start on the attractions _and_ Fastpass. With FP+, part of the advantage was lost.

Evening EMH was simply a few/couple extra hours if you weren't tired, but the lines in some cases didn't improve much until very late.

 

[disneygirly]

This would be very unfortunate for so many families that live in other time zones and other countries. With the time change, the EMH's are a great way for them to see the parks.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

Have they actually announced no more EMH for their guests? Or just the note on the web site? Have they simply not negotiated an extension of the benefit yet? Questions still remain to be answered.

1) Yes, it was an actual announced in the Orlando Sentinel newspaper.
2) Could be contractual or a WDW policy change
3) At this time, only Lamont Cranston knows what lurks in the minds of WDW execs..
4) But, the other Disney Area Hotels are not listed as EMH on the Disney website.

 

[doconeill]

1) Yes, it was an actual announced in the Orlando Sentinel newspaper.
2) Could be contractual or a WDW policy change
3) At this time, only Lamont Cranston knows what lurks in the minds of WDW execs..
4) But, the other Disney Area Hotels are not listed as EMH on the Disney website.

I had not seen the OS article before...only references to a note on the website. Interesting that the OS article says they are still and "official" resort, whatever that means.

On #4, I'm not sure what you are referring to. Only the Swan/Dolphin, Shades of Green, and Hilton had EMH rights outside of the Disney O/O resorts. They are in fact all still listed on the web site, and there has been no indication of any change at the others.

 

[michelleiada]

I didn't think any of the resorts on Hotel Plaza Blvd were allowed to participate in EMH. I knew Swan/Dolphin and Shades of Green did but didn't know that the Hilton did. In my opinion, EMH are a great perk to on site stayers and disney would be crazy to change it.

 

[rteetz]

I didn't think any of the resorts on Hotel Plaza Blvd were allowed to participate in EMH. I knew Swan/Dolphin and Shades of Green did but didn't know that the Hilton did. In my opinion, EMH are a great perk to on site stayers and disney would be crazy to change it.

Non disney resorts have the option to pay for the perk.

 

[ILoveDzny]

We are going January 22-31, 2016 and from what I found online today I am seeing extra magic hours. With that said it appears they have strayed from their normal extra magic hour schedule from the past. I have been used to arriving on a Friday and being able to go to Epcot until 11pm with EMH. Looks like that will have to be on Tuesday now

https://media.disneywebcontent.com/StaticFiles/ParkHours/WDWTravelAgent_January.pdf