Rude Behavior At Disney

[KPeveler]

Similarly, I'll assume that most "non-observant walkers" have been walking for more than 10 years and really should be experienced enough not to cut in front of a wheelchair, scooter, stroller or another walker.

thanks! exactly!

also, people can usually stop walking on a dime, but those of us with wheels cannot. We MUST use our wheels to get around, but they DO have a stopping distance, just like a car. I use a manual chair, so i need to see the obstacle, grab the rims, and stop, which means using a brake-like system - i cant just lock up the wheels by grabbing them hard or i would be thrown out of the chair... check out test track and the two braking demonstrations for an idea!

i do what i can, and i ALWAYS see walkers cause you are MUCH taller than me, i cant see anything else, i cant read a map or drink a soda while wheeling, so i do my best, but i need you to be aware!

 

[BethA]

You seemed to take this as a personal attack on you. If you have been using a chair for 10 years, then i am sure you are experienced enough for us non-observant walkers. The people I am directing my opinions at are the "day renters that have a older person with them and think it is a good idea to rent a scooter so they can get to the front of the lines and grandma wont slow down the rest of the group and we can throw all of our stuff in the basket and let a few grand kids ride" people. Believe me when i say that I have all respect for truly disabled people. But you have to agree with me that not all the people rolling around WDW really need to.

my mother does not use a chair or scooter at home. She is in pain just to put her foot down and rarely goes out. We got her a scooter for that reason and never got to go to the front of the line. Don't assume the scooter is so gramma doesn't slow the group down-she probably needs it-a lot of elderly people can not do the walking required there. My mom was not experienced and because people are so nonobservant the scooter slowed us down because everyone was always cutting in front of her or just stopping.

 

[jamstew]

Well, I guess we could have been the people to do this. But I really don't understand people that keep sitting on the bench when quite a few parties walk up to wait on the same bus. Where are they supposed to go? When the bus pulls up does everyone standing back away and let everyone sitting on the benches get on? I have seen families sitting on the benches and the area start to get crowded and they just keep sitting. I just keep thinking to myself, why don't they get up and move forward since so many people are coming up. I guess some want to just keep sitting as long as they can, but they're also taking a risk at missing a bus or not having a seat on that bus.

I agree. I'm a bench sitter, but when people start coming up to form a "line," my sitting time comes to an end.

 

[Princess_Jo]

Last year, I took my 8 year old niece on Big Thunder Mountain and she was very excited because we ended up getting the front seat. Well, the gates opened and before she could even take a step into the car the man next to us grabbed her arm and motioned for his two girls to cut in front of us (they were supposed to be in the second and third seats). Since the ride was pretty busy we ended up in the third seat behind the parents. My niece made a comment to me about how rude it was and the mother overheard and turned around and LAUGHED saying "oh you'll get over it". I still cannot believe the terrible example they displayed for their children that day and it still makes me mad whenever I think about it.

 

[mrsksomeday]

I am so sick of reading the "renting an ECV or wheelchair to get to the front of the line" complaint.

THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN!! I swear it is an urban legend here on the boards. We wait just like others do, sometimes we have to us an alternate entrance because the wheelchair can't get through the queue, mostly at MK otherwise we can be in the line just like you. Sometimes we are waiting much longer than you are because there are only so many ECV/wheelchair spots/ride vehicles.

Just because the wheelchair/ECV gets on the bus first, we all get at the next stop together and everyone is off the bus and off to their destination while the wheelchair/ECV user has to be unhooked. Having a disability is NOT an advantage at WDW, it isn't an advantage anywhere.

Also, walkers do try to just step in front of b/f's wheelchair all the time. When we are in WDW we have a strategy, I walk in front of him, people don't try to run right in front of me like they do him, but we can't talk this way. It aggravates me that people think wheelchairs can immediately stop.

 

[Missy1961]

Oh, that so happened to us on the Voyage of the Little Mermaid! People pushed past us to get in the show, obvioulsy never had been there, and figured they would get in and get the best seats!

So they push to the middle row, and then move to the center of the row and stop, and we, unfortunately were behind them.

I wouldn have just climbed over them and moved TO THE END OF THE ROW as the CM had said many times before the doors opened, but he had pushed past us and pushed my DD, who was 4 at the time, and I was ticked! So I waited behind them, and they just stood there, waiting for all of us to go past them. ANd I LOUDLY repeated MOVE TO THE END OF THE ROW. And he and his delightful family stayed there, and so it continued, until the crowd behind us was getting ticked too!

They never did move, just parked themselves where THEY thought THEY should sit. And everyone around them made comments about the whole MOVE TO THE END OF THE ROW, concept, and how people don't listen.

I think it was breath wasted though, because they walked out without seeming to care.

Oh, and did I mention they took FLASH PICTURES throughout the show too????

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrr

I would have been annoyed to the max about the flash pictures. Not very nice for the audience or the performers.

But I gotta admit--the only time I go to the end of the row is when it's busy season, and the theater is going to be filled. When I go off season (most of the time), I hang back, look for an empty (or almost empty) row & sit in the middle. However, I make sure I'm the last one in so no-one has to climb over me.

 

[shellybaxter]

This thread has become just exactly what I thought it would be - a thread about things some people think are rude and others don't. That really is the problem with rude in the first place. There are not rules set up for gaging rude.

I'll use the bus bench sitting situation as an example. A group of people arrive at an empty bus stop. They sit on the benches at the back of the stop. Another group of people comes along and they stand by the curb. Another group comes and stands behind the first group and so on and so forth. The bus comes along and those standing closest to the bus get on first. The sitting family pushes forward and boards the bus. Then those standing at the back of the "line" get onboard.

Those who were sitting can think it was rude of the standing family to have boarded first since they clearly saw the sitting family at the stop first. Those who were standing could think the sitting family was rude because they didn't wait in line like everyone else. Depending on your perspective you can probably find something rude that someone else has done.

That's why I don't like these threads, because someone states something they find rude and then someone else decides to tell them why it isn't rude. Or people don't want to be rude and they just let it go which normalizes the complaints.

I feel really bad for cheerleaders, twirlers, and dance teams that visit Disney for the same reason. People complained (and maybe rightly so although I've had no problem with them) about Pop Warner cheerleaders so much that now all cheer, twirl and dance teams are demonized.

All of the posts like these - "venting posts" and the like, for me, make the DIS a far less magical place

 

[DISNEYNV]

We were at Epcot one evening in December enjoying the holiday festivities by the tree and lit up archway. My DS who is one wanted out of his stroller in the worst way so I unstrapped him and let him run! After dancing around a bit to the holiday music the excited tot headed over to the tree and started to climb up on the railing edge. As I ran over to him and bent down to pick him up I got a rather painful tap on the right shoulder! I looked up quickly in a bit of a stuper and a women by the railing was giving me the most evil look and waving her hand in a whooshing motion for me (us) to get put of the way! She had camera in hand and was going to take a picture of the archway lights! I could not believe that someone could be that horribly rude and have the gusto to whack someone out of the way to take a picture. I just gave her a look, grabbed my son and went over to where my family was sitting to tell them of the incredibly rude lady that poked and shooshed me to get a pic. She was lucky I had my baby with me, but then again people like that are not worth the effort it takes to give them a piece of your mind

 

[billfatora]

OK. How about this.... We get married at "Sunset Point". We are having pictures taken by the staff photographer. They have specific areas that they want us for the photos. One of those areas is the "Grand Staircase" at The Grand Floridian Resort. We are in place, and there is a ribbon across the top of the stairs. I am in a "tux" (no big thing) and my wife is in a "wedding gown" (big thing !) on the first landing... the lights are set, the camera is ready, the photographer is ready to snap... and, as he does, three children (all between the ages of 3 and 8) come running down the steps, and run into my wife... followed by the parents, who had taken the ribbon off to allow the children to run down the steps. Now, if this isn't bad enough, as the adults walk past us, the male says, "you shouldn't be taking pictures here - it's a public place !" As they pass the photographer, he said something to them about an apology, and their response, "go to hell !" By the way, we got divorced six years later... maybe they actually knew something I didn't !.

 

[bwilcox]

This thread has become just exactly what I thought it would be - a thread about things some people think are rude and others don't. That really is the problem with rude in the first place. There are not rules set up for gaging rude.

I'll use the bus bench sitting situation as an example. A group of people arrive at an empty bus stop. They sit on the benches at the back of the stop. Another group of people comes along and they stand by the curb. Another group comes and stands behind the first group and so on and so forth. The bus comes along and those standing closest to the bus get on first. The sitting family pushes forward and boards the bus. Then those standing at the back of the "line" get onboard.

Those who were sitting can think it was rude of the standing family to have boarded first since they clearly saw the sitting family at the stop first. Those who were standing could think the sitting family was rude because they didn't wait in line like everyone else. Depending on your perspective you can probably find something rude that someone else has done.

That's why I don't like these threads, because someone states something they find rude and then someone else decides to tell them why it isn't rude. Or people don't want to be rude and they just let it go which normalizes the complaints.

I feel really bad for cheerleaders, twirlers, and dance teams that visit Disney for the same reason. People complained (and maybe rightly so although I've had no problem with them) about Pop Warner cheerleaders so much that now all cheer, twirl and dance teams are demonized.

All of the posts like these - "venting posts" and the like, for me, make the DIS a far less magical place

Then you probably shouldn't read these posts. Some people feel better after venting to others on this board who understand. To each his own...

 

[VAN]

Wow, this is bring back memories of our trip last September. The bus thing was awful. We normally drive down, but last Sept used DME and didn't have a car.

We are going again this September and I've been debating about spending the money on a rental ... this definitely reminded me of why I need a rental car!!

There was a time at WDW when the bus system was great; recent visits have demonstrated a cut-back in the bus department, so when a bus comes there are twice as many people waiting to ride as there are seats!!!

Again, I think a rental car will be money well spent!

 

[toocherie]

Wow, this is bring back memories of our trip last September. The bus thing was awful. We normally drive down, but last Sept used DME and didn't have a car.

We are going again this September and I've been debating about spending the money on a rental ... this definitely reminded me of why I need a rental car!!

There was a time at WDW when the bus system was great; recent visits have demonstrated a cut-back in the bus department, so when a bus comes there are twice as many people waiting to ride as there are seats!!!

Again, I think a rental car will be money well spent!

or you could, dare I say it? Get a van!!!!!!!

 

[DizBelle]

I think that Disney encourages the use of ECVs by some of their policies. My husband is "invisibly disabled." He can walk a golf course (and does, every day the temp goes above 40 and the snow is gone) but he cannot stand for a long time (such as in the pre-show areas). I have contacted Disney several times and asked if accommodation can be made for him to have a place to sit down until it is time to move into the attraction area and the answer I get repeatedly is "If he has stamina issues, he needs to use an ECV; the distance around the park is much greater than our queues." (Let me insert here, "Duh! Really?) They are missing the point! Walking and distance are not his problem. Standing still (especially on a slanted floor) is his problem and a simple sitting area for people like him would be such a simple solution.

And, yeah, he has endured the rude comments from people on the bus who are standing. He looks healthy but they have no idea what is going on inside his head (literally). He's a real easy-going guy but one day he did comment to a companion of a complaining lady as we disembarked, "I know your friend would have liked my seat, but had I given it to her, I most likely would have needed medics to get me off the bus and take me to the ER."

I did see once in a dining review (I contacted the webmaster and it was removed) a comment by a lady that when she came out of a restaurant the people just wouldn't get out of her way so she began deliberately banging people in the legs with her child's stroller. Seriously, why would someone be proud of that kind of behavior? I just don't get it. I raised four kids, did plenty of zoos and parks, and never felt I had a right to hit people with my stroller.

Ok, you have to admit, a disability where you can walk for miles and miles but cannot stand for 10 min is unusal.

I'm not saying he doesn't have said disability. I just can't envision what it is. But I'm not a doctor.

 

[DizBelle]

I have a few examples ~ some of you may have read these before

On Mickey's Philharmagic my aunt was holding DD on her lap and lifting her up to the same height as my aunts face... no higher I SWEAR! Some lady behind us says "I could see really good if that little f'ing baby wasn't in front of me!" I told my aunt to make sure to keep DD lower than her own face. When the show was over I told the lady I would appreciate it if she didn't swear about my child or say the f-bomb in front of my 2.5 year old. She insisted she didn't ~ but her daughter (probably my age) apologized and looked terribly embarrassed.

Same trip.... some guy at Chef Mickey's shoved my 2.5 year old down the three steps to the buffet so he could get there before her.

There was one other thing not coming to mind right this minute. I will post when I remember.

In the vast majority of cases, your view to the movie screen in Mickey's Philharmagic is between the heads of the two people sitting in the row in front of you. I'm guessing your aunt wasn't holding the child in front of her own face but to one side of her. If you lift a child up to fill that space, there would be three heads across with no space and the person behind you wouldn't be able to see anything.

It isn't a vertical thing, it's a horizontal thing.

 

[VAN]

LOL. I drive a van at home ... bought to tow the camper that we take to Ft. Wilderness. With the kids grown and just the two of us, it cheaper to fly down during free dining, etc.

Just need a car big enough for DH's travel golf case!

Really, things were awful last September. One night we ate at O'Hana's and then proceeded to catch the bus back to ASSports from the MK. It was a full hour after park close and there had to have been at least 5 bus loads of people waiting for our resort, for the other values, for POR etc. I think we were in line for 45 minutes before they started sending in multiples of buses for each resort.

I don't ever remember it being that bad -- but, from the MK, we always took the boat back to Ft. Wilderness. LOL.

Anyway, this thread was a good reminder of why we thought a rental car would be money well spent for the next vists to WDW where we were flying.

 

[tink621]

Then you probably shouldn't read these posts. Some people feel better after venting to others on this board who understand. To each his own...

Very true. This thread may also open people's eyes to things they might do and not realize it's rude to other people.

 

[Chellymouse]

Isn't Canada the 51st state?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I can see Ft Erie from my office and I never think of Canadian as foreigners - now people from Ohio are a different story!


I'vw never ever had anything happen at Disney that upset me. I guess I'm too mellow when I'm there.

Hey now...not all of us Ohio folks are rude!! Ok...DH and I aren't!

I can't help it, I'm sharing this. Please note...I am one of the most compassionate people you will ever meet and I have NO problem whatsoever with how outstanding Disney accomodates ALL guests needing additional assistance, but this one takes the cake!
This past Dec. DH and I were in line for RNR at DHS. We'd grabbed a FP and were in the FP line. As we were waiting to head up the ramp and into the "studio" a group of 9 people came barreling in like bulls in a china shop. They had a young child, who was very obviously developmentally delayed in a special stroller device. There was NO WAY this child was riding RNR. The lady immediately begins to get loud about how THEY have a disability pass and are permitted to ride everything without waiting. The CM was trying to explain that their pass was void if the person for whom the pass was issued was not able to ride and that they either needed to have a FP or go wait in the standby line and use the parent swap. The lady made such a spectacle of herself that the CM just let them go to avoid any more use of foul language and to diffuse the scene. I couldn't believe that there were people who would abuse the disability pass the way these people did. We felt bad for the CM, but the CM should have kicked them out of line or called security.

 

[buffettgirl]

Well, I guess we could have been the people to do this. But I really don't understand people that keep sitting on the bench when quite a few parties walk up to wait on the same bus. Where are they supposed to go? When the bus pulls up does everyone standing back away and let everyone sitting on the benches get on? I have seen families sitting on the benches and the area start to get crowded and they just keep sitting. I just keep thinking to myself, why don't they get up and move forward since so many people are coming up. I guess some want to just keep sitting as long as they can, but they're also taking a risk at missing a bus or not having a seat on that bus.

I agree. I'm a bench sitter, but when people start coming up to form a "line," my sitting time comes to an end.

If you see someone sitting waiting for the bus, then the ONLY polite thing to do is to let them go first. As the bus pulls up you say "You were here first, and you go ahead". and then civilized people stop and wait. It's sort of like when you're waiting for an elevator - everyone knows who has arrived first and you just take your turn. And above that - you give the exiting people a chance to get off first, which people do not do.

There are benches at the bus stop for a reason, so you can sit and wait. I get to the bus early enough to sit and wait and others come running in at the last minute YOu know who was there first, and you should let them board first.

I actually like how some of the bus lines have a queue - I think that makes it a lot easier - you just get in line. But when there is no queue, make no mistake, people know which order they arrived in. And if you arrive and there are people already there, then they get on the bus first.

 

[toocherie]

Hey now...not all of us Ohio folks are rude!! Ok...DH and I aren't!

I can't help it, I'm sharing this. Please note...I am one of the most compassionate people you will ever meet and I have NO problem whatsoever with how outstanding Disney accomodates ALL guests needing additional assistance, but this one takes the cake!
This past Dec. DH and I were in line for RNR at DHS. We'd grabbed a FP and were in the FP line. As we were waiting to head up the ramp and into the "studio" a group of 9 people came barreling in like bulls in a china shop. They had a young child, who was very obviously developmentally delayed in a special stroller device. There was NO WAY this child was riding RNR. The lady immediately begins to get loud about how THEY have a disability pass and are permitted to ride everything without waiting. The CM was trying to explain that their pass was void if the person for whom the pass was issued was not able to ride and that they either needed to have a FP or go wait in the standby line and use the parent swap. The lady made such a spectacle of herself that the CM just let them go to avoid any more use of foul language and to diffuse the scene. I couldn't believe that there were people who would abuse the disability pass the way these people did. We felt bad for the CM, but the CM should have kicked them out of line or called security.

Well, I wish I could say I was surprised . . . . .

As someone else mentioned--a lot of people have "entitlement" issues and unfortunately some at Disney magnify that. And sad to say sometimes (not always) disabled people (or people with disabled people) do too.

 

[Interpol]

All of the posts like these - "venting posts" and the like, for me, make the DIS a far less magical place

There IS an easy solution to this, you know...just don't read these threads that bother you so much. I sure hope you didn't read through the 15+ pages of this thread just to come to the conclusion you did.