ROFR Thread Jan to March 2026 *PLEASE SEE FIRST POST FOR INSTRUCTIONS & FORMATTING TOOL*

[Sandisw]

I am now afraid to post if I get a good deal

And see, it shouldn’t matter…but it does now.

 

[Sandisw]

I was ignorant and probably still ignorant with this thread. If so, I apologize. Maybe I came into the thread for the wrong reasons, maybe not. It comes down to perspective.

If you wanted this thread to be a place to see the best of the best deals, then that’s what you are getting.

If you wanted this thread to be representative of the market, then it is not.

 

[VGCgroupie]

People are free to post their thoughts but they need to recognize that it’s changed how and what people post in this thread.

I am fine with how everthing plays itself out. As long as everyone is respectful in their responses. I think we should be able to say what we think and post what we think. It’s if we are being told that if we do give opinions related to string postings that the thread will be shut down, that’s what I would not be okay with and I thought that is where it was headed.

 

[Girlstar30]

I have a very good idea why - some people know they will be sellers and want to keep the values high. I get it.

People here take things to personal. An outlier now does not mean they will have difficulty with a good sell years down the line. There are all kinds of buyers that will pay more to get the contract they want and sellers that will just want to get rid of it for a low price. Its not like oh someone got key west for 70 dollars damn them now ill never be able to sell for more. So ridiculous. (Not you, just people than have an issue with someone getting a certain price)

 

[Sandisw]

I am fine with how everthing plays itself out. As long as everyone is respectful in their responses. I think we should be able to say what we think and post what we think. It’s if we are being told that if we do give opinions related to string postings that the thread will be shut down, that’s what I would not be okay with and I thought that is where it was headed.

Nothing is getting shut down and I never said or implied it would.

I simply shared that people do not use this thread to post anymore the way they used to and it is because the thread is no longer about celebrating one’s purchase.

ETA: fixed sentence

 

[VGCgroupie]

Nothing is getting shut down and I never said or implied it would.

I simply shared that people do not use this thread to post anymore the way they used to after being asked if unsolicited advice is allowed.

Happy to hear that. I did hear you on how people feel about posting and I will be more mindful of that.

 

[Chili327]

Your take is that you assume those posting want or need unsolicited advice to ensure they got the best deal based on others standards.

Again, I don’t think that is true. Read my comment again. (sorry I can’t link it right now)
I said best for them, NOT for everyone else.

 

[Sandisw]

Again, I don’t think that is true. Read my comment again. (sorry I can’t link it right now)
I said best for them, NOT for everyone else.

I was responding to only this part “isn’t that why we are all here?”

Everyone who posts in this thread does not come here to get unsolicited advice on their purchase.

That is why some don’t post until they pass RoFR or don’t post at all.

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

That’s fascinating to me. I view these boards and this thread as such a small, niche corner of the DVC owner base, that I just cannot imagine that they would have any meaningful impact on the overall DVC resale market. If you spend any time on DVC facebook groups, you realize just how small and incredibly informed people here on the DIS Boards are.

I read it as uninformed lololol. But you’re right. Have gotten some incredibly useful information from people on here.

 

[Sandisw]

So we can get back on topic with people posting about their contracts, let’s sum this up:

All posts that follow the rules are allowed.

Some posters wlll no longer use this thread due to unsolicited advice.

The thread is not representative of the market but more representative of the best deals.

 

[Chili327]

I was responding to only this part “isn’t that why we are all here?”

I guess I see your point, but I don’t think our advice is to tell people they didn’t get a good enough deal, it’s to make sure they got what they really wanted.

Also, I do agree we want everyone to post so it keeps the data realistic, but if we just wait for people to ask for opinions there will be a lot of people learning the hard way, instead of just getting opinions they didn’t ask for.

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

Hope everyone had a great day! ROFR on!

 

[Sandisw]

I guess I see your point, but I don’t think our advice is to tell people they didn’t get a good enough deal, it’s to make sure they got what they really wanted.

Also, I do agree we want everyone to post so it keeps the data realistic, but if we just wait for people to ask for opinions there will be a lot of people learning the hard way, instead of just getting opinions they didn’t ask for.

This just supports why we have people who view this topic differently.

Some are okay with unsolicited advice and some prefer not to get it. Some liked it when it was just a place to post your purchase and everyone just said "congratulations and Welcome Home".

Nothing wrong with the shift away from what it used to be..some people want to see only the best deals because they themselves want the best deals.

The good news is that people are free to decide whether they do or do not want to participate in sharing their purchase via this thread!

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

Once in awhile, I think some people see a contract on here where they feel compelled to tell the person that they might be getting a deal where they’re arguably getting taken advantage of. I think stripped contracts with delayed closings are one of those because a buyer might not realize what the seller did to extract maximum value for themselves while giving the appearance of a “deal” to would be buyers.

I understand delayed closings but how would one get taken advantage of with a stripped contract and delayed closing? How would a seller give the appearance of a deal?

 

[airjay75]

I understand delayed closings but how would one get taken advantage of with a stripped contract and delayed closing? How would a seller give the appearance of a deal?

So, there is a common strategy often referred to as "strip and flip." You buy a contract (or before you decide to sell one of your contracts), you rent out all available points for $20+ per point, and then sell the contract at a reduced price/point that looks like an incredible deal. The seller even agrees to reimburse for dues for the years where there aren't any points. But, the seller is making out because even with the dues reimbursement and the lower price per point, they are making more money between the renting than if they left all the points on the contract and sold it at more of an average market price. Another tell tale sign of this is a delayed closing after December because December and the holidays is a peak time to rent out points and get a premium for them.

A buyer would be much better off buying a fully loaded contract and, even if they didn't want all of those points, renting them out themselves. IOW, the current market overvalues stripped contracts and undervalues loaded contracts.

 

[intamin]

DrOPS---$144-$25601-160-VGF-Dec-0/24, 212/25, 160/26, 160/27- sent 3/16, passed 3/23

I’m absolutely thrilled as we passed ROFR in just 7 days at VGF. I was half expecting Disney to snap up the contract but so happy we passed. The extra points available will be put to very good use !

The information on here has been absolutely invaluable. I waited until a contract with a good amount of points included became available and offered.

Thanks all

I'm impressed they let it go for that low, congratulations!

 

[VGCgroupie]

I understand delayed closings but how would one get taken advantage of with a stripped contract and delayed closing? How would a seller give the appearance of a deal?

Not sure taken advantage of is the right words. Not every single new to DVC person realizes that if your contract is stripped until 2028 you can’t stay into 2028, yes I have seen people who do not realize this. Not every new person knows that points are typically valued at $20 pp.

As for delayed closing. Not every person thinks about the fact that while they await a delayed close the market could shift dramatically. If values plummet they are locked into that contract and if they back out they lose their deposit. Not every person knows that the seller can back out after you have waited 60 days for the delayed close and they lose nothing when they back out and then you have to start the process all over again and in the flip side prices may have risen by then and you will pay more or maybe the contracts on the market aren’t what you are looking for.

Just like with buying with an international seller delayed close can carry a small risk. People should now those risks.

Lastly. DVC, its people and its ecosystem are amazing. Not all people realize once they own something they will likely want to use it right away. Who wants to buy a car for it to sit in the garage for 2 years before they can drive it?

 

[Sandisw]

So, there is a common strategy often referred to as "strip and flip." You buy a contract (or before you decide to sell one of your contracts), you rent out all available points for $20+ per point, and then sell the contract at a reduced price/point that looks like an incredible deal. The seller even agrees to reimburse for dues for the years where there aren't any points. But, the seller is making out because even with the dues reimbursement and the lower price per point, they are making more money between the renting than if they left all the points on the contract and sold it at more of an average market price. Another tell tale sign of this is a delayed closing after December because December and the holidays is a peak time to rent out points and get a premium for them.

A buyer would be much better off buying a fully loaded contract and, even if they didn't want all of those points, renting them out themselves. IOW, the current market overvalues stripped contracts and undervalues loaded contracts.

I see it differently. When you do a delayed closing, you can leave your money where it is, or if it’s a situation where you know the funds will be there with the delayed closing, it allows you to lock in the contract that meets your needs now.

There is no set value for points missing. I don’t get the notion that the first years points are worth rental rates, but all the rest are not?

Yes, some believe they should be valued at rental rate, but again, that’s just one way to value it. I certainly don’t value them at that rate.

Renting is work and not everyone wants to deal with that because it’s not always about getting the lowest possible price or best of the best deal

Some are okay with it being a fair deal that meets their need.

Buying a stripped contract with a delayed closed can be a great deal for a buyer who doesn’t need the points and likes knowing they have time.

It comes down to ones opinion on what the goal is. Lowest possible price? Or a contract that meets one’s needs, even if someone else might not think it’s a great deal.

 

[heathpack]

I see it differently. When you do a delayed closing, you can leave your money where it is, or if it’s a situation where you know the funds will be there with the delayed closing, it allows you to lock in the contract that meets your needs now.

There is no set value for points missing. I don’t get the notion that the first years points are worth rental rates, but all the rest are not?

Yes, some believe they should be valued at rental rate, but again, that’s just one way to value it. I certainly don’t value them at that rate.

Renting is work and not everyone wants to deal with that because it’s not always about getting the lowest possible price or best of the best deal

Some are okay with it being a fair deal that meets their need.

Buying a stripped contract with a delayed closed can be a great deal for a buyer who doesn’t need the points and likes knowing they have time.

It comes down to ones opinion on what the goal is. Lowest possible price? Or a contract that meets one’s needs, even if someone else might not think it’s a great deal.

I’m in agreement with you. Due to my work schedule (which is set 14 months in advance and determines when I can take vacation) and other timeshare ownerships, my travel is usually planned 2+ years in advance.

When I buy a DVC contract, I have a certain target price per point based on the total number of remaining points in the contract. I rarely want points to use for myself any time soon. The price that works for me is predicated on getting my next points in 2027 (say). Yes I’m aware that I could buy a loaded contract and rent the points I don’t need out. I have rented many times and am familiar with it. But I could also just buy a stripped contract with points available when I need them. YOU might think that mathematically I shouldn’t- but if my math works for me, that’s really none of your beeswax. I really can’t fathom buying direct except in limited scenarios but I do not feel compelled to tell people who buy direct that they’re doing it wrong. I assume they have their own math they’re using and the numbers work for them. That part is no of my beeswax, unless they ask for my opinion.

Likewise- a delayed closing is zero problem for me. If the seller backs out, I will buy something else. Meanwhile, I am earning 3% interest on that money. Sure the DVC resale market could tank and I could overpay. Likewise, the market could peak and I could get a bargain. Remember- I’ve already run my numbers and they work for me, so I’m good either way.

Others here might be *certain* I’m looking at this wrong. But I’ve thought it through and am fine with my choices, even when they run counter <gasp> to the “wisdom” of this thread.

Personally I’ve found this ROFR to be an invaluable tool over the decades. The critiques are unnecessary IMO but easily ignored. The important stuff is all on page 1 anyway.

 

[airjay75]

Not sure taken advantage of is the right words.

I agree. I don’t think my choice to use those words were the best. Maybe a better way to say it is that there are different ways to see the economics, pricing, and risk with respect to stripped contracts that may or not be immediately apparent to potential buyers. I think some of us see it as needing a pretty big discount (bigger than the market tends to value them at) before we'd consider a fully stripped contract.

Buying a stripped contract with a delayed closed can be a great deal for a buyer who doesn’t need the points and likes knowing they have time.

Agreed. I think that is a good point and even my most recent resale purchase did not have a full year’s worth of completely free (as in not banked or borrowed) points until October 2027, and one reason I didn’t care is because I don’t need a lot more points until then. And, if you don't need the points and don't want to mess with renting, I think a fully stripped contract can make sense for the right buyer.