ROFR Thread Jan to March 2022 *PLEASE SEE FIRST POST FOR INSTRUCTIONS & FORMATTING TOOL*

[Sandisw]

OK so if they ok it... I can put down a deposit, make a few payments between now and June, and then put the balance on my disney visa in June and get 6 months from June to pay it off? I'm sitting here crunching numbers....

Correct! I don’t know if the first two payments have to be of any set minimum because I am doing $10K and $10k…so I would be sure to ask that too

 

[Royal Consort]

I don't think a good REASON to buy Direct is what you think Disney might do or offer several years from now. If that's your deciding factor, you might as well buy resale now and then flip your points to Direct if those things that you're anticipating actually happen.

I think its a valid reason. 2042 is going to take a vast swathe of current options out of the system. Buying direct for future resort availability was one of several reasons I purchased direct. I also really like Riviera, in spite of it being super high on the 'old ladyness' scale. So if DVC don't build anything I want to access in the future, fine but the direct points are an insurance policy. I paid an equivalent of VGF resale price for direct with incentives anyway.

 

[Paul Stupin]

Don't get me wrong, if you're happy with the portfolio of what's offered to Direct members, go for it. If we see $40 incentives at OKW/AKV/SSR like we just saw at BLT, I'll probably buy Direct myself. My point isn't mainly about direct vs resale, it's about the timeline. I don't think a good REASON to buy Direct is what you think Disney might do or offer several years from now. If that's your deciding factor, you might as well buy resale now and then flip your points to Direct if those things that you're anticipating actually happen.

I think buying resale now, only to flip points to buy direct at some indeterminate point in the future, just isn’t a cost effective strategy, especially considering the kind of incentives being offered recently for Aulani and BLT, and currently right now for VGF2. And I also think that Disney’s very effective direct pricing strategy could exert considerable downward pressure on resale going forward. It’s not a case where Disney might prohibit resale owners from booking the Epcot resorts after 2042, it’s pretty much a certainty.

There’s a more than good chance that Poly2 will have its own association. It’s a huge new build, not a quick hotel wing flip that wouldn’t have made much sense as it’s own entity. Along with Poly2 and DLT, the number of new resorts that will probably shut out resale buyers will only continue to grow. And if resale goes down, and direct pricing creeps up, there’s a viable argument for buying direct right now. And that’s not even counting Riviera, where I don’t own but very much like to stay.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

It’s probably safe to say that most of us on these boards are owners of both direct and resale contracts for all the reasons everyone mentioned. 75% of my points are resale but I also own decent number of direct so that I have the option to book at future resorts. I think it’s interesting that more podcasters and vloggers seem to be shedding themselves of resale points over direct to be able to book at future resorts but they promote resale like crazy because the sponsors of all these sites are resale companies. I get it though. You can’t bite the hand that feeds you.

 

[Ruttangel]

It’s probably safe to say that most of us on these boards are owners of both direct and resale contracts for all the reasons everyone mentioned.

There was a poll where currently 75% were Blue Card and 25% White card. That percentage will probably move to 70/30 as some resale qualified as Blue Card before recent changes.
I find that international owners more resale as park passes a lot better value here so don't need AP discounts (if they come back)

 

[shand32783]

Got it! Each approach has pros/cons and each situation makes the difference larger or smaller. A difference of $10k isn't the same as $4k.

Definitely benefits to having direct points, no question about that. Whether those benefits are worth the extra now and in the future?

Only the buyer can decide. Many think it is..many think it’s not! Hence why our ROFR thread is large!

For those of us unaware of the direct purchase benefits (other than staying at all properties rather than just some), what are those benefits for people that live out of state that may not know, say compared to resale? Is there a cheat sheet out there comparing the two? I know annual pass pricing seems to be different if you live in state, etc. A good AP discount would help offset some of those costs. There is only 2 of us, so we wouldn't recoup as much as say a 4 person family. I'm looking for $$$ savings. =)

 

[Chia1974]

What are those benefits for people that live out of state, compared to resale? Is there a cheat sheet out there comparing the two?

https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/dvc-direct-vs-resale

 

[Chia1974]

What are those benefits for people that live out of state, compared to resale? Is there a cheat sheet out there comparing the two?

There are a ton of YouTube videos on this subject. We’re out of state and own both.

 

[Sandisw]

What are those benefits for people that live out of state, compared to resale? Is there a cheat sheet out there comparing the two?

Not really. My use of word benefits is referring to access to all resorts, now and in the future. It refers to eligibility to membership perks, whatever they are, if you own the required amount, currently 150.

Resale means you are not eligible for any of that if that is all you own. Right now, we have merchandise and food discounts, special events, and access to the Epcot Lounge. We are eligible for the DVC Sorcerer pass when it comes back on sale..if an AP fits your travel style.

But, those will not be worth the savings for some. That is why I said it’s an individual decision. For me, as an out of state DVC owner, it is worth it to have access to it all. For others, it’s not.

 

[shand32783]

There are a ton of YouTube videos on this subject. We’re out of state and own both.

Thanks. I'll try to peek around. If/When AP comes back, savings in that arena for out of state people, would be more interesting to me. I think we saved when we would renew, but not sure if being a direct owner gave you a better AP price or not.

 

[Cyberc1978]

I just wanted to show my full timeline on my resale Poly contract since today we reached the last stage. POINTS!

1/26 - signed contract
2/18 - passed ROFR
2/26 - closed on contract
3/10 - Disney received contract
3/21 - Disney sent member log in and member #
3/26 - Points loaded into our account

We just booked our first trip today for the holidays at the Poly! We are so excited to be Home for the Holidays

My timeline for buying VGF2 - sorry couldn’t help myself

3/23 contacting a DVC sales guide
3/24 points in my account
3/25 signed contract
4/23 last date to pay for the points, no deposit.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think buying resale now, only to flip points to buy direct at some indeterminate point in the future, just isn’t a cost effective strategy, especially considering the kind of incentives being offered recently for Aulani and BLT, and currently right now for VGF2. And I also think that Disney’s very effective direct pricing strategy could exert considerable downward pressure on resale going forward. It’s not a case where Disney might prohibit resale owners from booking the Epcot resorts after 2042, it’s pretty much a certainty.

There’s a more than good chance that Poly2 will have its own association. It’s a huge new build, not a quick hotel wing flip that wouldn’t have made much sense as it’s own entity. Along with Poly2 and DLT, the number of new resorts that will probably shut out resale buyers will only continue to grow. And if resale goes down, and direct pricing creeps up, there’s a viable argument for buying direct right now. And that’s not even counting Riviera, where I don’t own but very much like to stay.

Disney has zero interest in exerting downard pressure on resale prices. If anything, ROFR serves as immunity against such pressure. We just went through a *once in a century* global pandemic and ROFR paused for what... a few months?

 

[shand32783]

Not really. My use of word benefits is referring to access to all resorts, now and in the future. It refers to eligibility to membership perks, whatever they are, if you own the required amount, currently 150.

Resale means you are not eligible for any of that if that is all you own. Right now, we have merchandise and food discounts, special events, and access to the Epcot Lounge. We are eligible for the DVC Sorcerer pass when it comes back on sale..if an AP fits your travel style.

But, those will not be worth the savings for some. That is why I said it’s an individual decision. For me, as an out of state DVC owner, it is worth it to have access to it all. For others, it’s not.

That's what I was more or less trying to ask about. We had AP for about 5 years and I lost my job during the pandemic. We cut back on some stuff and AP was one of the cuts. We are resale, so the only AP discount we saw was when we renewed. Was trying to figure out if Direct DVC owners got a better AP price(out of state) or maybe better % off of food/clothing and such.

 

[Ruttangel]

Not really. My use of word benefits is referring to access to all resorts, now and in the future.

Does it concern you about the increase in point charts, I mean 1 week in a VGF TPV is over 200pts in August!
just worries me that brand new resorts might just be completely crazy charts and then you can't justify spending 3 days at a new one when could get 7 somewhere else

 

[Sandisw]

That's what I was more or less trying to ask about. We had AP for about 5 years and I lost my job during the pandemic. We cut back on some stuff and AP was one of the cuts. We are resale, so the only AP discount we saw was when we renewed. Was trying to figure out if Direct DVC owners got a better AP price(out of state) or maybe better % off of food/clothing and such.

We currently do. But, AP sales are suspended so until they return it is a benefit we have, but can not access.

 

[Sandisw]

Does it concern you about the increase in point charts, I mean 1 week in a VGF TPV is over 200pts in August!
just worries me that brand new resorts might just be completely crazy charts and then you can't justify spending 3 days at a new one when could get 7 somewhere else

I would rather go 4 days at a resort I love than 7 at one that is not my favorite. If the point charts keep going up...and there is a place I want to stay, then I will adjust my trips.

Since RIV and VGF are tops for me, I am already used to having to spend more for rooms. So, I am expecting things will increase with new options and will adjust if these prove to be places I want to add as part of my trips.

 

[pangyal]

Updated!

 

[Paul Stupin]

Disney has zero interest in exerting downard pressure on resale prices. If anything, ROFR serves as immunity against such pressure. We just went through a *once in a century* global pandemic and ROFR paused for what... a few months?

Uh, huh? Of course they’re interested in undermining resale, it’s their principal competition! And they’re competing, as we’ve seen in the last few months, by pricing their product closer to resale and attaching resale restrictions…shutting resale buyers out of new resorts and forcing the resale price down to better compete with the lower direct prices. I’m sure you understand that they’d rather you buy a direct contract than a resale one.

The resale market is never going away, it’s good for all of us. But that doesn’t mean it’s prices can’t go down. Look at the VGF resale market prices, and compare them to a month ago.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Uh, huh? Of course they’re interested in undermining resale, it’s their principal competition! And they’re competing, as we’ve seen in the last few months, by pricing their product closer to resale and attaching resale restrictions…shutting resale buyers out of new resorts and forcing the resale price down to better compete with the lower direct prices. I’m sure you understand that they’d rather you buy a direct contract than a resale one.

The resale market is never going away, it’s good for all of us. But that doesn’t mean it’s prices can’t go down. Look at the VGF resale market prices, and compare them to a month ago.

You're contradicting yourself.

No crap Disney wants you to buy Direct... which is why they use ROFR to drive up the price of resale contracts to make resale less appealing to buyers. This is to the benefit of resale SELLERS.

Letting the price collapse, which is the only risk of owning resale points that you might want to flip someday, isn't something they're going to do because cheap resale points torpedoes their own Direct business.

 

[keirabella2012]

Unfortunately RIV did not win me over enough for me to buy. I’d stay there sometimes, room and food quality are excellent but I don’t care for the location. Ugh, I still have 4 days to decide to buy VGF2 or not.

Same!