Roethlisberger Walked.........ugh!

[AndyLL]

The girl has stayed out of the spotlight and the news reported both she and her family requested the DA not to press charges. There was no DNA evidence, he could've been wearing a condom.

There was DNA. In fact Ben's story changed once that was announced. The DA said the amount was to little. ( I thought they could test any amount these days )

FWIW I don't think he drug her into a bathroom stall and violently raped her but I do think he took it too far and that he's slimy.

He followed her into the woman's restroom. His bodyguard guarded the door. She had brusing and bleeding on her privates.

Those facts our not in doubt. ( although the video tape was erased )

The common Joe would have been in court.

Innocent until proven guilty....

That is a legal term that means our government must prove guilt as opposed to the accused having to prove innocent.

It has no baring in actual guilt/innocence and of course has no meaning in the court of public opinion.

 

[Mermaid02]

This is what I don't understand - not saying he's innocent or guilty because I wasn't there and don't know the man.

He is a millionaire 10+ times over, has a very high profile job and while not good looking in the slightest i'm sure he has a great personality. Why in the world would he have to attack someone to have sex? There must be tons of women who throw themselves at him so why in the world would he have to follow some random girl he met an hour before into the bathroom to grab her?

While Ben may have questionable judgement and may be a jerk, these ladies that athletes and celebrities surround themselves with are not exactly nuns either......just sayin'......I think it's a money grab.

This disturbs me, in this day and age someone would think rape is about sex- rape has nothing to do with sex and EVERYTHING to do with power, domination and control. Many rapists are married or have no problem getting women to go out with them.

 

[carmiedog]

I'm in Ben's hometown and he comes from a good family - his mom is a wonderful lady. I don't know whether these particular allegations are true. But I can say I'm disappointed in Ben's character and attitude overall. He finds himself in the spotlight for a reason.

 

[dejr_8]

There was DNA. In fact Ben's story changed once that was announced. The DA said the amount was to little. ( I thought they could test any amount these days )



He followed her into the woman's restroom. His bodyguard guarded the door. She had brusing and bleeding on her privates.

Those facts our not in doubt. ( although the video tape was erased )

The common Joe would have been in court.



That is a legal term that means our government must prove guilt as opposed to the accused having to prove innocent.

It has no baring in actual guilt/innocence and of course has no meaning in the court of public opinion.

And where do you know these FACTS from? At most, what you have is ONE SIDE of the story.

 

[declansdad]

This thread just proves that even though there was no charges, many people will always believe that a man did what he was accused of in a case of sexual assault.

 

[Pixiedust34]

This thread just proves that even though there was no charges, many people will always believe that a man did what he was accused of in a case of sexual assault.

You're right. Whether he's guilty or not, he will always have this stigma on his reputation.

What he needs to do now is quit putting himself in the position of going to party-atmosphere places where a woman can accuse him of assult. If he's not hanging out at parties all of the time, he'll be protecting himself from the likelihood of these charges. Perhaps it's time for him to grow out of the frat-type of parties and move onto looking for a solid relationship or at least bring a date (a friend he knows well) to those parties and stick to her like glue the whole time. Or he can just stay home and watch TV.

 

[MickeySP]

I don't know if he is guilty or innocent, but I just think Duke LaCrosse before I rush to any judgement on anyone anymore.

Just because a DA says it does mean it is gospel. I seem to remember a DA in the Duke mess being excised from office & stripped of license.

 

[Tink888]

And where do you know these FACTS from? At most, what you have is ONE SIDE of the story.

They're coming from the DA and the medical examiner who investigated the case.

This thread just proves that even though there was no charges, many people will always believe that a man did what he was accused of in a case of sexual assault.

I'm not sure I agree with this. The first time it happened many people, myself included, believed his innocence. But when the same type of thing keeps happening I think it's only natural to wonder and have doubts. A little like the boy who cried wolf.

Is he a target because of his status and money? Sure. So, if everyone else can see that, how is Ben missing it and WHY does he continue to place himself in those situations? Something is wrong somewhere.

 

[declansdad]

They're coming from the DA and the medical examiner who investigated the case.



I'm not sure I agree with this. The first time it happened many people, myself included, believed his innocence. But when the same type of thing keeps happening I think it's only natural to wonder and have doubts. A little like the boy who cried wolf.

Is he a target because of his status and money? Sure. So, if everyone else can see that, how is Ben missing it and WHY does he continue to place himself in those situations? Something is wrong somewhere.

For him or any other famous person to avoid these situations, they would need to live the life of a hermit. Regardless of what he does, he will always be a target. As easy is it is to have have doubts about him and make a judgment, the same can be said about some women out there who see this as a chance to make some fast cash.

Or an over-zealous DA trying to make a name for themselves.

 

[OceanAnnie]

This thread just proves that even though there was no charges, many people will always believe that a man did what he was accused of in a case of sexual assault.

I don't know. The first case was very different. I didn't think he was guilty with that one. Now with this case, I'm not sure. Not because it's case #2, but because of the victim's story and how she has presented herself. As I stated, I don't know if he was guilty in either case, but something doesn't seem quite right in case #2.

I agree with Tink888. Something is amiss with his behavior. If he were wise, he wouldn't put himself in situations that could be misconstrued especially after case #1.

 

[OceanAnnie]

For him or any other famous person to avoid these situations, they would need to live the life of a hermit. Regardless of what he does, he will always be a target. As easy is it is to have have doubts about him and make a judgment, the same can be said about some women out there who see this as a chance to make some fast cash.

Or an over-zealous DA trying to make a name for themselves.

Not really. Just stay out of women's restrooms. Know the person you are with. Maybe have a real relationship. People live like this everyday. He has been reckless, money or status doesn't change that.

 

[Tink888]

For him or any other famous person to avoid these situations, they would need to live the life of a hermit. Regardless of what he does, he will always be a target. As easy is it is to have have doubts about him and make a judgment, the same can be said about some women out there who see this as a chance to make some fast cash.

Or an over-zealous DA trying to make a name for themselves.

Perhaps. But there is a WIDE area between the life of a hermit and the behavior he's been engaging in lately.

The DA in the current case did not strike me as over-zealous at all. Just the opposite, and the girl doesn't appear to be in search of neither fame nor money.

 

[declansdad]

Perhaps. But there is a WIDE area between the life of a hermit and the behavior he's been engaging in lately.

The DA in the current case did not strike me as over-zealous at all. Just the opposite, and the girl doesn't appear to be in search of neither fame nor money.

I'm not disagreeing with you entirely and he may well be as guilty as sin. However, appearance are deceiving. He will be forever branded as a person who may have committed sexual assault but people will forget her by next week, even if she did make up the story.

 

[Lucky'sMom]

I live in the Pittsburgh area, and am ashamed to have Ben as our QB. As the OP said, it is no coincidence that this is now the 2nd time he has been accused of this type of act. His reputation in the area has gone down so much in recent years, even without these accusations. He is known to be a rude, cocky jerk at charity events, refusing to sign autographs to children. I know people who have been at events like this he was at, and spoke of how rudey he acted and how he refused to give a autograph to a handicap child that couldn't wait in the regular line. The local radio reported times where he doesn't tip waitresses, walks out without paying a check at at restaurant. I won't get into all the stories I've heard now. I want to like him. I want to think our QB isn't like this. You may say, but that doesn't mean he raped these girls. No, but your true character will come out at some point. Wish we had Drew Brees! Now there's an upstanding man.

 

[Tink888]

I'm not disagreeing with you entirely and he may well be as guilty as sin. However, appearance are deceiving. He will be forever branded as a person who may have committed sexual assault but people will forget her by next week, even if she did make up the story.

You're right. And if he truly is innocent, then it's horribly unfair. I just think that in this particular case, he brought a lot of that on himself. The sad thing is that, while the rest of the world will forget about the girl as soon as the story cools down, she will NEVER forget what happened.

Again, JMO but I strongly believe that he took advantage of her. She was drunk and vulnerable. Granted, she chose to drink. Maybe if she hadn't, it wouldn't have happened at all, or the DA would have a stronger case. There are hard lessons being learned by both of them.

 

[declansdad]

I live in the Pittsburgh area, and am ashamed to have Ben as our QB. As the OP said, it is no coincidence that this is now the 2nd time he has been accused of this type of act. His reputation in the area has gone down so much in recent years, even without these accusations. He is known to be a rude, cocky jerk at charity events, refusing to sign autographs to children. I know people who have been at events like this he was at, and spoke of how rudey he acted and how he refused to give a autograph to a handicap child that couldn't wait in the regular line. The local radio reported times where he doesn't tip waitresses, walks out without paying a check at at restaurant. I won't get into all the stories I've heard now. I want to like him. I want to think our QB isn't like this. You may say, but that doesn't mean he raped these girls. No, but your true character will come out at some point. Wish we had Drew Brees! Now there's an upstanding man.

Being a horse's behind doesn't mean you would rape someone.

 

[ICF]

The sad thing is that, while the rest of the world will forget about the girl as soon as the story cools down, she will NEVER forget what happened.

Your assuming that she has something she wants to forget and that whatever happened between the two of them was consensual at the time.

 

[dejr_8]

They're coming from the DA and the medical examiner who investigated the case.

perhaps this section of text was missed

"The doctor stated that he could not say these were or were not from any kind of trauma or sexual assault."

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/04/12/no-charges-against-ben-roethlisberger/

 

[Tikitoi]

Typical...But that's what that celebrity status does for you.

 

[Lucky'sMom]

Being a horse's behind doesn't mean you would rape someone.

My point, is that there are multiple character issues. A pattern. I clearly stated that it doesn't mean you are a rapist. He has been accused of rape twice in the last year... .