Rising DVC Prices??

[Lil' Grumpy]

sorry if i came across a lil'grumpy, as it isn't my nature-
just ask my wife (reference)

the main purpose of dvc was explained by our guide. i
haven't seen any reason to change our expectations.
"pre-paid" disney resorts vacations @ today prices.

2002, we walk out on the beach club because we were told
that renting our points could not be done year after year.
since it was tough getting time off, we passed.

top dollar was only to reference direct.

like i said, i have a real interest in this post especially when
one add to it , the post about a renter not having enough
points. the trends that these posts are implying , are
strong indicators that renting is reaching levels beyond
what they should be. & it is "time" for dvc to take a
professional stand.

"no"-renting has not effected us directly yet. & unsure about
the vandalism done to blt (home resort)...& still hoping that
what the workers told me were not true......where dvc
made the owners took the losses. some of the damages
was shocking..like taking a hammer to the marble counter
top. the manager should have been fired. my point, was
accountability to address /prevent these types of losses.
not normal wear & tear. to me- if dvc raised dues to cover
vandalism is an ethic issue..or unethical.

before we purchased, we didn't understood all the dynamics
but felt the "disney co." had a good reputation toward problem
solving & corrective measures. we haven't been disappointed
either. ever heard , "prevention is the best medicine"? well
if dvc is monitoring this site, they can see the future problems
that renting is going to bring...things liked renters c/o increase
prices ~ &

put this thread with the "waiting" on 7 months thread....&
i can see where this could be a major problem to owners
vs. renters. also , it made me realized ( when i read a thread
about many owners running a renting business) that they
are mostly buying resales/cheap ssr points and them
selling them to non-owners trying for the prize resorts.
..see? they don't care anything about "home resorts" ,
as long as they can manipulate the system . as far as
being an owner , these renters has no right-@ all!-- "to
be" in same arena as any owner. and it doesn't take
much thinking to realized the company is also losing
gross revenues. but as an owner, i am expecting dvc
to put these professional renters out of business.

this is something within the power & a few added restrictions
would curtail their manipulations. that's my point.

i just wish, more owners would watch/report these trends more.
so in comparing direct vs resales....i think there are sub groups
& they are not the same.




.....now, i just like to share something way more important
than recreation dollars. anyone see the cnn special about
rescuing our healthcare systems? if not , i think it should
be mandatory if i had that power. they deserved major
recognition award! dead on!

my professional view....the issues they raised are critical for
our country future & well being. in my opinion/experiences-
people die from stupidity more than any other cause or
factor.

being prior military officer , i felt heartbreaking watching
them filmed those injured combat solders so "high"/
"overdosed" on the plane , they could have die. guess
what happens...when they get home? they end up
as drug addicts....who 's really to blame?

though off topic, it does have meanings, if one does
not have good health, how can one enjoys their
dvc ownership?

 

[Dean]

sorry if i came across a lil'grumpy, as it isn't my nature-
just ask my wife (reference)

the main purpose of dvc was explained by our guide. i
haven't seen any reason to change our expectations.
"pre-paid" disney resorts vacations @ today prices.

2002, we walk out on the beach club because we were told
that renting our points could not be done year after year.
since it was tough getting time off, we passed.

top dollar was only to reference direct.

like i said, i have a real interest in this post especially when
one add to it , the post about a renter not having enough
points. the trends that these posts are implying , are
strong indicators that renting is reaching levels beyond
what they should be. & it is "time" for dvc to take a
professional stand.

"no"-renting has not effected us directly yet. & unsure about
the vandalism done to blt (home resort)...& still hoping that
what the workers told me were not true......where dvc
made the owners took the losses. some of the damages
was shocking..like taking a hammer to the marble counter
top. the manager should have been fired. my point, was
accountability to address /prevent these types of losses.
not normal wear & tear. to me- if dvc raised dues to cover
vandalism is an ethic issue..or unethical.

before we purchased, we didn't understood all the dynamics
but felt the "disney co." had a good reputation toward problem
solving & corrective measures. we haven't been disappointed
either. ever heard , "prevention is the best medicine"? well
if dvc is monitoring this site, they can see the future problems
that renting is going to bring...things liked renters c/o increase
prices ~ &

put this thread with the "waiting" on 7 months thread....&
i can see where this could be a major problem to owners
vs. renters. also , it made me realized ( when i read a thread
about many owners running a renting business) that they
are mostly buying resales/cheap ssr points and them
selling them to non-owners trying for the prize resorts.
..see? they don't care anything about "home resorts" ,
as long as they can manipulate the system . as far as
being an owner , these renters has no right-@ all!-- "to
be" in same arena as any owner. and it doesn't take
much thinking to realized the company is also losing
gross revenues. but as an owner, i am expecting dvc
to put these professional renters out of business.

this is something within the power & a few added restrictions
would curtail their manipulations. that's my point.

i just wish, more owners would watch/report these trends more.
so in comparing direct vs resales....i think there are sub groups
& they are not the same.




.....now, i just like to share something way more important
than recreation dollars. anyone see the cnn special about
rescuing our healthcare systems? if not , i think it should
be mandatory if i had that power. they deserved major
recognition award! dead on!

my professional view....the issues they raised are critical for
our country future & well being. in my opinion/experiences-
people die from stupidity more than any other cause or
factor.

being prior military officer , i felt heartbreaking watching
them filmed those injured combat solders so "high"/
"overdosed" on the plane , they could have die. guess
what happens...when they get home? they end up
as drug addicts....who 's really to blame?

though off topic, it does have meanings, if one does
not have good health, how can one enjoys their
dvc ownership?

The following is in order as you listed it.

What a timeshare salesperson says really means nothing. While I agree the main purpose should be to use (but doesn't have to be), there's no requirement, ethics or rule that one violates if that's not the case or if their situation changes. Even if one buys with the express purpose of renting, the only potential violation would be if you cross over the commercial renting limits which takes around 3-4K points to do so.

You keep saying DVC should do something about renting (paraphrasing) and I'm suggesting there really isn't anything they can do except in the absolute extreme's. They can't come up with different rules for usage for rentals and they must allow it since it's contractually guaranteed. That's the system you bought into whether you knew it or not.

For extreme damages DVC should charge it back to the guest but ultimately the owner is responsible as they should be. Just one of the reasons that renting simply isn't profitable enough to make it a viable option financially. However, things happen to units all the time both intentional and unintentional. The is absolutely no evidence that renters do more damage than owners, to me it appears there's no difference but there may actually be a negative correlation. However, you and I do pay for much of the damage that occurs to our home resorts whether someone broke a chair or spilled bleach on the carpet. Again, the nature of a timeshare and something you should have known going in.

My view is that the order of preference for usage of a given resort is owner at that resort, cash Disney rentals, then DVC exchangers (own at other DVC resorts). In my view a renter or guest is the same as an owner so any renter from someone who owns at that resort should be above a DVC owner from another resort. Renters should not be treated as second class citizens, if they are all members lose because less of them will buy in, the ratings and demand will go down, etc.

 

[mikron]

Dav and the DVCstore rent for $13. or more. I think that makes amount of points short and the price high. When we rent weget $12.00 with no trouble.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

hope qthing is ok in your neck of the woods,

( based on some of your other postings, seem to have
"an edge" that haven't been before.)

just wanted to add.....when i reported my observation about
some running a business ...was from appox. 3 weeks ago
when there were several coming here that hadn't posting...
& from what i could tell...was trying to stir up new customers.

was not making an observations toward david's. but for the record
i was not a big fan & objected to dvc. however, that was before
reading /learning about his business. it is well put together and i
was impressed how he set it up to protect both renters/
owners...and that is why i changed my mind. i think dvc should
encourage owners toward this direction...

nor am i saying the dvc is a bad investment but can't figure
out why there isn't more efforts toward improving/
enhancing the current system. like rci---why have it if it is
a pain to use & so difficult to set up equal trading options?

..just wondering...surely they are monitoring the largest
resales resort - % or numbers. also the effects?, for ex.
it is totally unfair for blt owners, when this group is
ssr...because thats where the lowest points for $,
and the largest numbers of reg. owners ( be it
resales/direct)...do not plan on being there, and going
to move @ 7mos. as blt owner, this is wrong for us,
because we can't wait past the 11mos without being
forced to ssr, & /or trying for the other resorts without
our chances being reduced because there are "slick"
ssr renters using inside "secrets" -that we are not aware
of. carrying that line of thinking out....i want dvc officials
respond why they don't stop those that are prefessional
renters..using ssr points, that are limiting regular/non-
business renters from using the same resorts?! and
like i posted, there are numerous measures that could/
should stop this.

now i am not a t.s. pro, but i think as dvc grows,ssr is the
resort needing the most attention. just from here, i
get the idea that ssr has the largest groups -% of
original owners/numbers too---that are ssr and have
not held the same value as the wdw resorts. add the
current directions...and it's effects/problems to the system,
....i could "see" dvc closing this resort or breaking it
off from the others. what that means, dvc buying every
offer being sold & reclaiming the units. once they gain
back enough points equaling ownership of numerous
units....could offer them as vacations/retirements
"home" -for upper levels workers, or for the rich &
famous?

i am little distracted as our next trip is a cruise. but it
wasn't missed that the op isn't a dvc member, and had
the nerve to come here to c/o about members'
prices....he also taunted (my observation) the dvc
workers. then he never came back. to me, dvc
workers are people too & are trying to make a
living.

 

[Dean]

I am not very tolerant of the "we're better than they are crowd in timesharing so we'll have to stand opposed there. IMO, begrudging other members staying at your resort (like SSR you mentioned), worrying what they paid in terms of up front or dues, worrying about renters and exchangers all fall into that line of elitist thinking.

As for rentals, they can't legally stop it, it is a contractual right and, to a large degree, a legal right, something you seem to fail to understand. That's not to say there aren't things they could do but giving a third booking window isn't one of them. One thing they could do would be to make EVERY change a cancelation and rebooking including when you change or add names but I don't think that's a good option due to the overall consequences. I'd like you to point out even one person you see as a commercial renter, I just don't see it.

As for slick and secrets, you seem to imply inappropriate behaviors. The reality is that you must learn and use the system. Those that do, including methods not everyone knows about, will be more successful. Some of these methods may be unintended consequence. I'd put walking in that category but it's current an option as set up and there are consequences to fixing it and any other issue that you or I could see as something that needs to be fixed. It's also unreasonable, and often unworkable, to micromanage a system such as DVC. When that happens you get the craziness that is going in DC related to health care.

I agree with you that SSR is the least in demand resort at WDW and it's not mainly size though some would like to think so. While I know that reality has affects on the system and on other resorts (even before the 7 month window), I'm OK with that as that's the way the system works. Every member has the opportunity to book their home resort at 11 months out subject to availability. As for separating it from the system, I think you're way off base here. IMO, the only resorts I could see that happening with are the off property ones including HI though I think it's unlikely any will leave the system without a disaster that destroys the resort.

I do think the OP was off base in their attitude and approach but they seemed honest and weren't one of these that posts and is never heard from again. As noted on page one, they apparently felt harassed and implied they got negative contacts from members either as PM's or emails.

 

[Chuck S]

...
dvc to stay healthy, must make future adjustments to end this.
that is, all the exchangers on a regular account instead those
doing it less than 3/5 years...

...i think they will gear some new restrictions toward the renters
in the future. things liked only being able to rent @ the person
home resort until 3 mos left instead of 7. ( unless the owner
or owner' family is on the revs.) no requests should be permitted
except to the direct owners.

I would venture to say that trying to implement such restrictions would be nearly impossible, and would cause owners more grief than the perceived problems you are trying to solve.

First off, how in the world would DVC know whether the person you let use your points is a relative or not? In my case, no surviving member of my family has the same last name that I do, my closest living relative is a 2nd cousin. Should I be forced to submit my entire family tree to Disney to let them use my points? Since my Mom passed a year and a half ago, I seem to have more points than I, as a single person, really need in a given year, even if I get a one bedroom just for myself. Travel habits and family situations are going to change over the course of a persons ownership. Finding travel companions that like Disney, and have the time/money to travel in this economy isn't easy. And actually, I gift my points to friends far more often than blood relatives. Are you saying I should not be allowed to book accommodations for them at my home resort at 11 months?

This September, rather than go to Disney for Food & Wine in October, I'm going on a Carnival cruise with friends. So I'll have over 300 extra points to find the time to use or bank before June 2014. I have not, so far, contemplated renting them...I'll likely bank them and use them next use year, then bank all of those current points to take a big trip with friends requiring a GV, a 2 Bdrm and a studio (or three 2 bdrm units) in June 2015. Are you saying we should have to wait until 3 months out to try and book those 3 units, as I will only be an occupant in one of those units? I plan to book them all as soon as my 11 month window opens. And don't forget that trust and corporations can also own points, some of them use them as employee rewards and incentives. Should they be banned from booking rooms at 11 months?

I personally think you are trying to solve problems that either don't exist, or are so rare, like extensive damage or being blocked out by a rental, that it isn't worth the cost in both time and $$ to implement.

I'll agree that it seems unfair to have the DVC Membership of a resort as a whole pay for extensive damage, but my Grandma always said that you can't get blood from a turnip. Disney/DVC could probably take some legal action against those that caused the damage, but actually collecting that judgement would be another expensive hurdle entirely.