RIP Amy Winehouse.....

[sayhello]

Bold by me. This is absolutely not true. Addiction is a horrific thing that some are lucky enough to overcome and some cannnot, no matter how hard they try or how much they want to. I am sad for anyone, talented or otherwise, rich or otherwise, young or old, who becomes consumed by addiction. It is not for us to judge her. She died far too young.

I totally agree with this. It's a tragedy, pure and simple. To say it was her fault because she chose not to fight the addiction makes no sense. Denying you want or need help is a part of the addiction. She just didn't have the strength, for whatever reason. I'm sad for her, and her family, too.

Sayhello

 

[alice99]

While sad, she did it to herself. I won't shed a tear for her, nor waste my time even thinking about it. I truly don't care at all.

I feel sad for the defenseless Norwegian kids that got killed by a sicko.


The fact that Amy Whinehouse gets as much, or more press is DISGUSTING!

 

[abish19]

But alice99, you cared enough to post on this thread.

It is terribly sad that so many young people have struggles with addiction, and it's difficult for me to feel anything but sorry when something like this happens. She was so talented, but clearly had some real challenges.

I am also so sorry for the many people who lost friends, family, and a feeling of security in Norway because of the actions of one person. What an unimaginable tragedy.

Things like this make me grateful for the many caring people I've found through the DIS community. Makes the world a better place, I think.

 

[Tikitoi]

Can't say that I feel bad for someone who's career hit was a song down-playing rehab, creating the image of rehab being some weakness and joke. I recall several high school friends who were addicted to pain killers at the time, reciting the lyrics as a joke when people were truly trying to help them. There's numerous interviews of her insulting rehab and the people who go to rehab, calling them weak etc. That's not the type of person I feel bad for.

Ohwell, no pity from me.

Agree. Sadness for her family, even though her mother said she knew it would come, but no pity. She wasn't even trying to "beat any habit". "No, no, no to rehab".

While sad, she did it to herself. I won't shed a tear for her, nor waste my time even thinking about it. I truly don't care at all.

I feel sad for the defenseless Norwegian kids that got killed by a sicko.


The fact that Amy Whinehouse gets as much, or more press is DISGUSTING!

Exactly. There are a lot more important things to be in the news.

 

[SouthJersey]

Bold by me. This is absolutely not true. Addiction is a horrific thing that some are lucky enough to overcome and some cannnot, no matter how hard they try or how much they want to. I am sad for anyone, talented or otherwise, rich or otherwise, young or old, who becomes consumed by addiction. It is not for us to judge her. She died far too young.

Some cannot overcome it because they fail to overcome it, but fact of the matter is EVERYONE has free will to beat it. Nobody is doomed to an addiction just because "oops your addicted". To say that not everyone 'CAN' beat an addiction, is saying it's a death sentence to some people regardless of their measures taken, which isn't true. Her own desires and choices we're her failure at overcoming it. She blatantly made a joke of rehab and refused to seek help until recent, that's not succumbing to an addiction, that's barely even trying.

Some people fail because of money, fail because of a lack of support group, some fail because of an overdose before having a break through. Nobody fails because they're stuck being addicted no matter what measures are taken. If you have free will, you can beat an addiction.

If she actually tried when she saw her career falling apart soon after 2008, or even tried without making it a joke, I would feel sorry for her. Just think about how many kids and adults who needed rehab, probably felt too ashamed to go just because of her spoken views of rehab and the 'song of the year' that made it the loser thing to do, going to rehab. I'll continue to feel sorry for those kids, not someone who made rehab a big joke for laughs, even when she needed it.

I'll pity and shed a tear the 24 marines killed in seven months in Afghanistan from our battalion, but some junky oversea's that somehow gets hours of media coverage for an overdose...i'll pass! Why is she famous anyway? An excellent voice that went to no good use, and her 'best' song had the worst lyrics I've ever heard for a 'song of the year'.

 

[WaltD4Me]

Some cannot overcome it because they fail to overcome it, but fact of the matter is EVERYONE has free will to beat it. Nobody is doomed to an addiction just because "oops your addicted". To say that not everyone 'CAN' beat an addiction, is saying it's a death sentence to some people regardless of their measures taken, which isn't true. Her own desires and choices we're her failure at overcoming it. She blatantly made a joke of rehab and refused to seek help until recent, that's not succumbing to an addiction, that's barely even trying.

Some people fail because of money, fail because of a lack of support group, some fail because of an overdose before having a break through. Nobody fails because they're stuck being addicted no matter what measures are taken. If you have free will, you can beat an addiction.

If she actually tried when she saw her career falling apart soon after 2008, or even tried without making it a joke, I would feel sorry for her. Just think about how many kids and adults who needed rehab, probably felt too ashamed to go just because of her spoken views of rehab and the 'song of the year' that made it the loser thing to do, going to rehab. I'll continue to feel sorry for those kids, not someone who made rehab a big joke for laughs, even when she needed it.

There is more to overcoming addiction than free will and yes, it can be a death sentence. Addicts do not choose to be addicts. It is a miserable life. More needs to be done, but that is for another discussion. I will say though that the long lasting recovery rate of AA is 8%. I do not know the recovery rate for NA (narcortics anonymous) but my guess is that it's probably lower. It's a debilitating disease and I am sad for anyone whose life it takes.

 

[SouthJersey]

There is more to overcoming addiction than free will and yes, it can be a death sentence. Addicts do not choose to be addicts. It is a miserable life. More needs to be done, but that is for another discussion. I will say though that the long lasting recovery rate of AA is 8%. I do not know the recovery rate for NA (narcortics anonymous) but my guess is that it's probably lower. It's a debilitating disease and I am sad for anyone whose life it takes.

From what you've seen, factual proof considering the media basically stalks people these days, she never made a real effort. Being forced into places by her parents begging, just to leave or break rules where she was?

The media could be wrong, but from most of the info reported, when did she ever try and help herself? You can't really fail if you never really tried. Which is my point in why I have no pity for her. That's like feeling bad for someone dying from morbid obesity, but they never attempted a diet.

 

[*NikkiBell*]

I can agree with some of the comments made here. Addiction is not something that you necessarily choose for yourself. Yes, it is brought about by bad choices, but I have yet to meet someone who goes out and says, "Hey, I'm going to become an addict today."

When I was in college, one of my majors was in Gender Studies and my concentration was on eating disorders. They too are a form of addiction and can be extremely difficult to beat. I remember working with several women and girls who begged for a normal life, but were so heavily addicted to carrying out certain behaviors due to their disorder. They knew in their heads that they should not be doing certain things, but the impulse was so great that they could not stop themselves. This included eating obsessively as in compulsive overeating disorder (COD) which can lead to morbid obesity or not eating as in the case of anorexia nervosa. It was very sad to watch. One can only imagine what it would be like to get up in the morning committed to correcting a behavior, only to have shortfall and be unsuccessful.

There are many different types of addictions out there. I do not believe that addiction is something that you choose for yourself. Similarly, I also do not believe it is something that everyone can beat by themselves. With proper treatment and help, the symptoms of addictive behaviors can be overcome. However, relapse rates are great across the spectrum of addiction types.

Although I have never really listened to Amy Winehouse's music or followed much of her life in the media, I am sad to see that such a young life was lost; I wish someone would have intervened and saved Amy Winehouse from herself, if substance abuse was the true cause of her death. I am also sad to see that it is getting so much coverage and more than innocent lives lost in war or elsewhere. Circumstances like this really make you think about the choices we make in our own lives.

 

[sayhello]

Although I have never really listened to Amy Winehouse's music or followed much of her life in the media, I am sad to see that such a young life was lost; I wish someone would have intervened and saved Amy Winehouse from herself, if substance abuse was the true cause of her death. I am also sad to see that it is getting so much coverage and more than innocent lives lost in war or elsewhere. Circumstances like this really make you think about the choices we make in our own lives.

Unfortunately, a lot of people tried to intervene, but her addictions were just too strong.

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[SouthJersey]

I guess you would have no pity for an overweight person who had a heart attack. Or a smoker who had lung cancer. EVERY life is important. You are obviously misinformed. She TRIED to beat her habit. She said YES to rehab more than once and unfortunately lost that battle. I wouldn't want you feeling sorry for me if I died in a war. Truly compassionate people care about even those whose lives they didn't agree with.

I wouldn't have pity for that overweight person if they never gave a real shot at correcting their condition.

If you read up on a lot of archived articles about Amy Winehouse, you'll find a lot of articles with cited rehabilitation facilities speaking about her discharging herself, going in with a joking mentality and other claims. Her manager is the one who threatened to cut her European tour if she didn't go into her most recent check in. From everything published, there's nearly no evidence she ever tried or wanted to help herself.

 

[DisneyKevin]

I wouldn't have pity for that overweight person if they never gave a real shot at correcting their condition.

If you read up on a lot of archived articles about Amy Winehouse, you'll find a lot of articles with cited rehabilitation facilities speaking about her discharging herself, going in with a joking mentality and other claims. Her manager is the one who threatened to cut her European tour if she didn't go into her most recent check in. From everything published, there's nearly no evidence she ever tried or wanted to help herself.

I hope you develop some empathy as you get older.

20 seems young to be so judgmental.

It seems that you have done quite a bit of research on this topic.

I'm curious as to why there is such interest in someone you hold in such low regard.

 

[WaltD4Me]

I wouldn't have pity for that overweight person if they never gave a real shot at correcting their condition.

If you read up on a lot of archived articles about Amy Winehouse, you'll find a lot of articles with cited rehabilitation facilities speaking about her discharging herself, going in with a joking mentality and other claims. Her manager is the one who threatened to cut her European tour if she didn't go into her most recent check in. From everything published, there's nearly no evidence she ever tried or wanted to help herself.

One of the insidious things about addiction is that the addict does not see their addiction as those around them do. It's part of the disease.

That being said, I'm pretty comfortable saying I doubt there but a very few who want your pity. A little compassion though can go a long way.

 

[jlindemer]

To be quite honest, I am appalled that anyone would feel the need to post anything against someone who has passed on a thread that was supposed to be a memorial for her. I would never think to go to a funeral home and judge the person who is laying there in their final resting place. Let those who want to grieve, grieve and pay tribute without interruption or opinions.

Whether you agree with her choices or not, respect still needs to be shown.

Kevin did not start this thread as a thread up for debate. He started it to show respect for a life that has been lost. Everyone has a life that deserves respect, regardless of their personal choices.

I will say the same thing that I said at the end of the Casey Anthony trial. Judgement should be left to God; we are not perfect and do not have the authority to judge anyone else.

 

[WaltD4Me]

To be quite honest, I am appalled that anyone would feel the need to post anything against someone who has passed on a thread that was supposed to be a memorial for her. I would never think to go to a funeral home and judge the person who is laying there in their final resting place. Let those who want to grieve, grieve and pay tribute without interruption or opinions.

Whether you agree with her choices or not, respect still needs to be shown.

Kevin did not start this thread as a thread up for debate. He started it to show respect for a life that has been lost. Everyone has a life that deserves respect, regardless of their personal choices.

I will say the same thing that I said at the end of the Casey Anthony trial. Judgement should be left to God; we are not perfect and do not have the authority to judge anyone else.

Totally agree Jen. Right up until the Casey Anthony part.

 

[jlindemer]

I have opinions, but I don't feel the need to share them. I trust God will take care of her.

 

[mrzrich]

Whats really curious is the poster has 37 posts total, and 5 of them are on this thread.

 

[SouthJersey]

I hope you develop some empathy as you get older.

20 seems young to be so judgmental.

It seems that you have done quite a bit of research on this topic.

I'm curious as to why there is such interest in someone you hold in such low regard.

I had to write a 25 page paper in my sociology class on substance dependence of the 21st century, had to include various celebrities/government figures who fell into the category and she happened to be perfect for the paper.

One of the insidious things about addiction is that the addict does not see their addiction as those around them do. It's part of the disease.

That being said, I'm pretty comfortable saying I doubt there but a very few who want your pity. A little compassion though can go a long way.

Several over-doses and near death experiences, failed career objectives and loss of millions of dollars should be clear to someone their addiction is a problem. It's not the same as some highschool kid saying his bad grades aren't related to his drug addiction. I'm sure there are very few who want my pity, but of all those who've fallen to drug addiction they tend to be an example to others around her, Amy Winehouse on the other hand has probably brought down many innocent fans with her who suffered the same fate. You see everyday how celebrities have an impact on their fan base, and her greatest hit was about her TRUE VIEWS on rehab, not just some song lyrics for a laugh. I'm pretty sure she's responsible for quite a few drug dependent music fans for saying "no no no" to rehab. What an awesome person!

I have opinions, but I don't feel the need to share them. I trust God will take care of her.

If your talking about her as in Casey Anthony..man I hope it's someone on Earth who takes care of her first lol.

Whats really curious is the poster has 37 posts total, and 5 of them are on this thread.

Geez give me a break, I've only been here for a few days!

Nice avatar by the way, I'm actually really good friends with Mike's son Zane Schoeffling

 

[WaltD4Me]

Several over-doses and near death experiences, failed career objectives and loss of millions of dollars should be clear to someone their addiction is a problem.

Assuming that Amy Winehouse didn't want to die, to me, this sentence speaks more to my side of things than yours.

 

[SouthJersey]

Assuming that Amy Winehouse didn't want to die, to me, this sentence speaks more to my side of things than yours.

That was about your sentence of 'addicts don't see their addiction as others do"

I never said she wanted to die, I just have read a whole lot more about her lack to help herself. Anyone who's career is being destroyed infront of them and loss of millions, nobody could NOT see the extent of that.

 

[*NikkiBell*]

I think we really need to get back on topic here. This thread has definitely gone off its course. Please refer to Post #1 for the content to be discussed.