Rides with 3 month old

[NewEnglandDisney]

How incredibly offensive to think my breastmilk is some disease riddled affront to others. If my child can safely drink it, how can it harm you? Breastmilk has antibiotic properties and nutrients - not diseases.

I'm sorry, but if you do not understand this you need to speak with a physician, or take an adult-ed biology course at a local high school. It may be offensive to you, but it's the truth. Breast milk is a bodily excretion - like blood, urine, spit, semen, etc. All of those are bio-hazzardous - have you not heard of people getting assault charges for spitting at people? In this day and age, you never know what someone has in their bodily fluids.

Breast milk carries whatever the mother does - hepatitis, HIV, and everything else on down. It's a bio hazzardous material. I'm not saying you have these diseases, but I don't know that. It may have the things you cited, but it does not have exculsive hold on the liquid.

If you want to sit on a sidewalk and do it, fine by me - but these ladies are talking about doing it on group boat rides like IASW, which puts it very close to me. Not that it should matter, since beverages are not allowed anyway on that ride.

NED

 

[disneypookies]

Yes, they would have difficulty. I know as I travel to WDW with someone who is disabled. It is a worry one definately has. However, it's the only way for that person to experience the ride, so it's a risk you decide to take or not. a 3-month old is getting nothing out of it, and I'm sorry, it's just for selfish parents who want to ride.

You suggested another member go back to highschool to read up on biology. Maybe you should join her and take a Child and Development course.

I think that's the whole point of mine people are missing. It's fine, I don't expect people who can't see past themselves and their own little precious perfect child to understand the objective viewpoint. I don't begrudge your child the act of eating, I begrudge you taking an infant (12 weeks old!) on a THEME PARK RIDE! That is just insane in my eyes. Why risk it at all?

If the ride went 0-60 in 2 seconds.. We would understand your point of view....... a barely moving ride and why you would fight something of that nature.. I dont understand. (For the record a childs developing brain WILL get MUCH out of it. Like I said.... Sit down and take a class.)

And to the lady who above got bent out of shape because I pointed out that breastmilk is indeed a bio-hazzard, look it up. As a doctor. Spit, blood, breast milk, it's all classified the same thing : bio-hazzardous materials. I'm sorry if that is offensive, but it's the medical truth. If *YOU* have something, you can pass it to others through bodily fluids. I don't think I should have to be exposed to that inches away in a ride.

Maybe we should stop breathing while we're at it?

Look, the truth is no one is going to agree here. If people want to find out about Peter Pan, then ask a CM. All rides go down periodically. The reason Peter Pan is an issue is because once those boats stop (if, say, someone is slow at getting in, or it has some other mechanical issue), they MUST call Reedy Creek Fire Dept. to come in. It happens all the time. Because that ride is ancient it is unsafe to start the vehicles with passengers in them. Simple fact.

So they call a fire dept in EVERYTIME someone gets on too slowly. Right. Or not?

It all comes down to selfish parents, and of course the people being selfish aren't going to see it because it's them. Your baby does not belong on a mechanical theme park ride, but you want to go on it, so you make up whatever excuses you can (they need stimulation, etc). I can't believe we are having this discussion about a 12-week old, who could barely be allowed at a day care, let alone should be shuttled around an amusement park.

A childs stimulation is not an excuse, obviously they want to be on the ride and THERE IS NOTHIGN WRONG WITH IT. Nowhere are they putting their child before themselves, YOU are selfish. You are merely looking for your own comfort knowing you won't hear a child cry. (Which is much more likely in a 2-4 year old than a 3 month old 12 hour a day sleeper.)

Finally, to those who keep harping on my parental ability or lack thereof, no, I am not a parent. However, I was raised with a mother who ran a day care for infants to 3-year olds from the time I was 5 until I was 25; over those twenty years I changed more diapers, fed more bottles, burped more babies, and put down more babies and toddlers than probably a half-dozen of you combined. Over that long period of time, I saw so much of this behavior - the parents coming before the kids - and it just saddens me. The worst part is you pretend like it's for the 3-month old; it's not. 3-month olds do not have the congative ability to know or understand WDW any more than a hand puppet you make out of a sock.

NED

So I guess we're just wasting our times with colorful gym mats and mobiles for our children huh? If they weren't absorbing the information i'm sure they wouldn't be teaching it or all over any MD article you want to look up. Colors will stimulate, music will soothe, period. However you want to retort to this, the fact is fact. They WILL absorb it, they are sponges and if you choose not to believe - then you ARE infact being extremely ignorant and self righteous. The facts are there, you just have to look them up.

 

[krystalleigh1]

Over that long period of time, I saw so much of this behavior - the parents coming before the kids - and it just saddens me.

I guess I hear where you're comming from on this. I am a dc provider and have seen many selfish parents myself. However, I look at it differently than you. Instead of seeing a selfish parent taking a 3 month old to WDW I see it as a parent who wants to share this wonderful WDW experiance with their child as a family. What I think would be selfish, in this instance, is leaving your 3 month old child at home while you enjoy an "adults only" WDW time. I think it takes truly loving parents to want to include their children, even children who cannot fully comprehend or enjoy, the whole experiance. I think there are much more harmful things a parent could do to a child than take them on a ride at WDW. I don't think anyone really thinks that they take the baby on the ride just for the baby's enjoyment or stimulation, but are just saying that YES, a baby can get something out of it too.

And of course not all kids are the same. My ds has always loved being out and doing things (even at 3 months he was most content when grocery shopping). And the more parents take their kids out the better they tend to adjust to different experiances, such as WDW. But parents have to also make a case by case decision on what is right for their child at any particular time. I don't think most parents would take a screaming baby on a ride at WDW eiter because who would enjoy that? I know the parent sure wouldnt.

Krystal

 

[lynnebla]

I'd like to chime in on the selfish parent issue. I am due with my 3rd child on April 23 and planning to go to Disney in early August. That will put the baby right at that 3 month mark that's being discussed. However, I'm not going to Disney for myself. I'm going for my then 7 year old and 3 year old. I'd like to go a little later, but don't want to take my older one out of school to do it. My mother is going with us & I plan to take the baby on anything that I can so that we can all ride together. No, I don't want my mother or I sitting out every ride so that the baby doesn't go on anything. I'd like for both of us to be able to ride with the other two children and all enjoy the rides together. We know that there will be times when one of us has to take the baby off somewhere to calm down while the other takes the older kids on a ride, but we don't see the need to spend our whole vacation that way. I don't see that as being selfish, just the nicest way to enjoy a family trip with all of my children. I don't see why my other two children should have to sacrifice their trip because a baby sibling came along. The only possible harm would be in one of the apparently common evacuations of a ride. However, I will probably be wearing my baby and as an experienced parent I think I could easily climb down a ladder without ever handing the baby off.

I just had to put in my thoughts, since no one else had mentioned that perhaps a Disney trip was not just for parents, but also for the children.

Brandy

 

[NewEnglandDisney]

You suggested another member go back to highschool to read up on biology. Maybe you should join her and take a Child and Development course.

If the ride went 0-60 in 2 seconds.. We would understand your point of view....... a barely moving ride and why you would fight something of that nature.. I dont understand. (For the record a childs developing brain WILL get MUCH out of it. Like I said.... Sit down and take a class.)

No more than the child would get out of a play mobile, or the other "colorful gym mats" etc.

A child of 12 weeks old does not know the difference between that and Disney World. You can pretend they do, and it might matter to you - but to the newborn there is no difference.

Maybe we should stop breathing while we're at it?

Now that's just silly. There is a big difference in breathing air and liquid biological secretions.

However, since you bring it up, bringing a baby into the pit of germs known as WDW where people from all over the world congregate is also not the best thing for a brand new baby 12 weeks old.

So they call a fire dept in EVERYTIME someone gets on too slowly. Right. Or not?

Not every time someone gets on too slowly, EVERYTIME they have to stop the ride because of it. If they slow it down a tiny bit the rest of the ride keeps moving. However, if it stops fully, for any reason, YES, EVERY TIME they must call Reedy Creek in. It happens at least once a week - sometimes more, sometimes less.

Have you ever been on a ride where it's momentarily stopped? Things like that happen ALL THE TIME. The problem with Pan in particular (which is why many of us who have disabled members of our families have such a hard time with that attraction) is that it is not safe to RESTART the ride with people in the boats. So they have to evacuate the whole place, which requires Reedy Creek to come in.

You will see threads around here every once in awhile from someone asking, "Oh my god! I saw fireman at Pan! What happened?" and a CM will usually come in and explain that it's standard, happens all the time. Now, since my disabled family member will never get to ride it otherwise, we take that risk - I think it's unnecessary with a newborn who doesn't even know what is going on.

A childs stimulation is not an excuse, obviously they want to be on the ride and THERE IS NOTHIGN WRONG WITH IT. Nowhere are they putting their child before themselves, YOU are selfish. You are merely looking for your own comfort knowing you won't hear a child cry. (Which is much more likely in a 2-4 year old than a 3 month old 12 hour a day sleeper.)

The baby doesn't know the difference. Yes, babies recognize colors, shapes, etc., but they do not know they are on a ride. The baby isn't crying because they saw the sign and needs to see Peter Pan.

It's PARENTS who want to see it. The 3-month old will never remember it. It's for YOU, not the kid.

So I guess we're just wasting our times with colorful gym mats and mobiles for our children huh? If they weren't absorbing the information i'm sure they wouldn't be teaching it or all over any MD article you want to look up. Colors will stimulate, music will soothe, period. However you want to retort to this, the fact is fact. They WILL absorb it, they are sponges and if you choose not to believe - then you ARE infact being extremely ignorant and self righteous. The facts are there, you just have to look them up.

Yup, I know the facts too. I know that, to a NEWBORN baby - again, we are talking about 12 weeks old here! - there is no difference between colorful gym mats and mobiles and going on a Disney ride.

That's why, as I maintain, the parents bring the kids for SELFISH reasons. You keep trying to twist what I say, but it doesn't hold. I agree that babies are sponges - and a big, loud, scary amusement park is NOT the place for one that rested in a belly 12-weeks before.

12-week olds do not belong in a theme park ride, period. It's just common sense. That's just a few weeks past the age you can leave a child in a day care, and you want to take them on a mechanical structure for no good reason other than YOU want to ride.

Yes, I'd prefer not to have crying kids on a ride. Sue me. But that has nothing to do with the logic here. 12-weeks old is incredibly young, and a child needs quiet, love, and nutruring, not to be dragged along in a theme park so the rest of the family can do what they please. Babies have consequences - so many people just refuse to admit that, and think you should just do whatever you want whenever you want and the baby is just an accessory.

I can't believe I'm being bashed for arguing for the saftey of babies as well as other guests...but you can't argue with a Perfect Mommy with her Perfect Baby that the whole world (yours, mine, and ours) must revolve around. I mean, some people here don't even realize that it's a bodily fluid and think their secretions are somehow "magically" sanitized because "my baby eats it so it must be good for everyone!".

So, I bid adieu to this thread. We are going around in circles. If the Angry Mommy Brigade wishes to continue, please go ahead. I'll be out of town for the next few days, but I'm sure people will still be talking about me in this thread when I return. I am secure in knowing that you do not nearly represent most mothers out there, who have a much more BALANCED view of things. Some people love to exercise their "rights" just because they think they can, and fail to realize that, while many things may be your "right" that doesn't make them the correct thing to do.

What is selfish and weird is that one would even CONSIDER breast feeding their child on a ride, much less debate the merits of it. You just can't legislate good sense, or decency.

And yes, that was an insult. I'm just so shocked that people would WANT to do such a thing, I guess I just don't have the words to express it any differently.

NED

 

[jjarman]

I am just totally amazed at Ned. He obviously was never taken anywhere as a child and doesn't believe children should be taken anywhere until they can safely negotiate a fireman's ladder down Tower of Terror.

I never took DS to an amusement park until he was 2 but only because the situation never came up. He did travel quite a bit by car and airplane alone with me and we did just fine thank you. He even flew the first time when he was 2 weeks old. I guess if I had a 3 month old now I might consider taking the child to WDW especially if there were other children to consider. I know my mother took us to 6 flags when I was 1. She even rode the log ride, with the big drop, with me on her shoulder asleep. I turned out okay.

 

[JulyGirl]

I know there is the baby swap thing for rides but I was wondering if I can take the baby on some of the other rides like small world and pooh. Also, if we baby swap on a ride can our 2 1/2 year old ride again? Thanks!!!
Cathy

Yes and yes. Have fun, Cathy!

 

[callieriggs]

As the original poster I just wanted to drop another post... To Ned who says he isn't going to come by here...in case you do... I am not going to WDW for me and my selfish needs... we are going for our 2 1/2 year old becasue she wants to meet the princesses and see Cinderella's castle. Part of our decision to go was so we could really focus on her because the transition to a new sibling is hard. I think you also missed the part where I asked about babyswap so if I don't feel comfortable having our baby on the ride she won't ride. Finally, I never posted directly to you re: breastfeeding and also later posted that I would prefer not to breastfeed on a ride...sort of a last resort but nice to have it available and it was posted as a side note NOT the main topic...posted the legislation issue as good information.... Kind of like service dogs being refused entry to restaurants because they are dogs... There are some exceptions to rules like no dogs and like no food or drink. What ever... You don't seem to want an open mind and I think you may actually enjoy the "banter" of opposing opinions. I can respect that. I did find your statement about my trip being ill-timed a little harsh as my trip is obviously planned and we aren't going to cancel it so as a solution that was just negative. I posted a specific question and you responded but good heavens where is the Disney happy? Glad you are going back soon you seem to have misplaced your mouse ears and you tigger bounce. Hope you find them!

To everyone else! THANKS for all the support and advice. I am SOOOO excited to go to Disney and my little girl can't wait. She is a Disney girl and is looking forward to meeting all the characters.

Cathy

 

[lil mermaid]

No more than the child would get out of a play mobile, or the other "colorful gym mats" etc.

A child of 12 weeks old does not know the difference between that and Disney World. You can pretend they do, and it might matter to you - but to the newborn there is no difference.


Now that's just silly. There is a big difference in breathing air and liquid biological secretions.

However, since you bring it up, bringing a baby into the pit of germs known as WDW where people from all over the world congregate is also not the best thing for a brand new baby 12 weeks old.


Not every time someone gets on too slowly, EVERYTIME they have to stop the ride because of it. If they slow it down a tiny bit the rest of the ride keeps moving. However, if it stops fully, for any reason, YES, EVERY TIME they must call Reedy Creek in. It happens at least once a week - sometimes more, sometimes less.

Have you ever been on a ride where it's momentarily stopped? Things like that happen ALL THE TIME. The problem with Pan in particular (which is why many of us who have disabled members of our families have such a hard time with that attraction) is that it is not safe to RESTART the ride with people in the boats. So they have to evacuate the whole place, which requires Reedy Creek to come in.

You will see threads around here every once in awhile from someone asking, "Oh my god! I saw fireman at Pan! What happened?" and a CM will usually come in and explain that it's standard, happens all the time. Now, since my disabled family member will never get to ride it otherwise, we take that risk - I think it's unnecessary with a newborn who doesn't even know what is going on.


The baby doesn't know the difference. Yes, babies recognize colors, shapes, etc., but they do not know they are on a ride. The baby isn't crying because they saw the sign and needs to see Peter Pan.

It's PARENTS who want to see it. The 3-month old will never remember it. It's for YOU, not the kid.


Yup, I know the facts too. I know that, to a NEWBORN baby - again, we are talking about 12 weeks old here! - there is no difference between colorful gym mats and mobiles and going on a Disney ride.

That's why, as I maintain, the parents bring the kids for SELFISH reasons. You keep trying to twist what I say, but it doesn't hold. I agree that babies are sponges - and a big, loud, scary amusement park is NOT the place for one that rested in a belly 12-weeks before.

12-week olds do not belong in a theme park ride, period. It's just common sense. That's just a few weeks past the age you can leave a child in a day care, and you want to take them on a mechanical structure for no good reason other than YOU want to ride.

Yes, I'd prefer not to have crying kids on a ride. Sue me. But that has nothing to do with the logic here. 12-weeks old is incredibly young, and a child needs quiet, love, and nutruring, not to be dragged along in a theme park so the rest of the family can do what they please. Babies have consequences - so many people just refuse to admit that, and think you should just do whatever you want whenever you want and the baby is just an accessory.

I can't believe I'm being bashed for arguing for the saftey of babies as well as other guests...but you can't argue with a Perfect Mommy with her Perfect Baby that the whole world (yours, mine, and ours) must revolve around. I mean, some people here don't even realize that it's a bodily fluid and think their secretions are somehow "magically" sanitized because "my baby eats it so it must be good for everyone!".

So, I bid adieu to this thread. We are going around in circles. If the Angry Mommy Brigade wishes to continue, please go ahead. I'll be out of town for the next few days, but I'm sure people will still be talking about me in this thread when I return. I am secure in knowing that you do not nearly represent most mothers out there, who have a much more BALANCED view of things. Some people love to exercise their "rights" just because they think they can, and fail to realize that, while many things may be your "right" that doesn't make them the correct thing to do.

What is selfish and weird is that one would even CONSIDER breast feeding their child on a ride, much less debate the merits of it. You just can't legislate good sense, or decency.

And yes, that was an insult. I'm just so shocked that people would WANT to do such a thing, I guess I just don't have the words to express it any differently.

NED

First of all, I wouldn't take a 3 months old to Disney World. Not opposed to others doing it or anything - just doesn't sound that much fun to me, really.

But good grief! I breastfed my daughter for 18 months, including in public, and I NEVER squirted anyone with my deadly breastmilk, ever - either accidentally or on purpose. Where do you come up with this stuff??

And though I agree that a 12 week old won't get much out of being at WDW, I don't get how it is selfish to take one there.

And a 12 week old baby is NOT a newborn.

To the OP - I hope you have a great trip!

 

[Nlbnikki]

Cathy,
You and your girls will have a great time,contrary to Ned's opinion.I like you will be taking my 3 month old in 2 days for the enjoyment of my 4 year old. My little one gets so excited now and smiles & laughs all the time I can't wit to see her reaction to Disney. We took our older one at 7 months and this will be her third trip. If I am selfish for wanting to see my girls happy & having fun then I'm ok with that. The baby may not remember it but I will have great pictures & stories to share with her as she grows up about her first trip to Disney. Have a great time

 

[tjmw2727]

Well done OP - I am gald you checked back in despite the "banter"!

Since you are new here I wanted to point out that a few boards down from here is a "disney for famlies board". Lots of great folks that can help with the numerous questions that you may come up with in planning your trip. Many of whom have the same issues you face and have great ideas and suggestions.

Regardless of what anyone thinks should or shouldn't be done babies and children are allowed on any attraction that doesn't have a height restriction.

Perhaps if Peter Pan is so dangerous WDW should consider an age or height restriction. I know at least at one time Barnstormer and Malestrom had age recommendations. Until then each family can make the decision based on their comfort level.

I understand the desire to take a family vacation that includes the entire family. Luckily at WDW its easy to keep the faimly together so that mom and dad can see the joy on your older dd's face when she sees the princesses, the dolls in IASM or bounces with Tigger. There will be times when you will have to sit out but more times that you will enjoy together. There is also babyswap and the wonderful babycare centers and many other features that make WDW so family friendly.

Have fun planning, good luck in your research and please keep posting if you have questions.

TJ

 

[macmahony]

There are an awful lot of things I did with all three of my girls that were gasp just for me (and yes one of those included taking my 9 WEEK old to disneyworld, and she was amazing, breastfeed everywhere, would do it again in a heartbeat).
We bought them all christmas presents at three months (all september babies), we took them to see the tree in new york city, visited relatives, went to the grocery store, and much more stuff everyday that was just for me, and my kids don't remember a thing.
But, I guess if I lived by that rule my 5 year old, 4 year old and 2 year old would never leave there rooms, heck they probably won't remember it anyway. We have travled a lot with them (disney three times, Illinois, wisconsin, smokey mountains, new york, camping every year) and they won't remember 99% of it, but I will, and that is what counts for me.

 

[Cool-Beans]

Breast milk is a bodily excretion - like blood, urine, spit, semen, etc. All of those are bio-hazzardous - have you not heard of people getting assault charges for spitting at people? In this day and age, you never know what someone has in their bodily fluids.


NED

Urine is sterile.

Some of the crap y'all are arguing about are excretions, some are secretions.

I actually did take Anatomy & Physiology classes, Microbiology, and nursing classes. But I'm not getting into the fight.

I'm just having some fun.

(And assault is the threat to harm. Actual spitting would be the battery part. Standing over a guy with your fist in the air is assault. Punching him is battery. That's why people are often charged with assault, but not battery. Assault with a deadly weapon is just pointing a gun or knife at someone. Rarely do you see Battery not preceded by assault. )

 

[SHammett]

My family went to WDW this past September, when my 4th child was 9 weeks old. We had a fabulous time. My biggest concern with taking such a small baby was germs. I just broke out the hand sanitizer, though, and thankfully noone got sick. It never dawned on me that I may have been offending anyone when I breastfed her on rides. I only did it a few times and was actually able to do it without squirting any strangers in the face . All kidding aside, I am sure noone even knew. I do find it sad that I could be accused of being selfish for my actions. We were just a family of 6 having a great time together.

 

[loribeth]

I've been taking my cousin's daughter to Disney World since she was about nine months old. We've been there about fifty times in the last two years. We've never once been evacuated from anything. She has never cried on a ride. And I have no problem carrying her on and off a ride.

And, as other people have mentioned, there are rides that a three month old can go on.

I hope you have a wonderful trip.

 

[Mono~rail]

Here's a Cliffs Notes version of Ned's posts on this thread

1) Breastfeeding infants should stay home until weaned

2) Eating and/or drinking are not allowed on WDW attractions

3) Breastmilk becomes a biohazardous product when "excreted" on a WDW attraction that Ned is trying to enjoy

4) Peter Pan breaks down weekly requiring the Reedy Creek Fire Dept to bring 12 foot ladders to evacuate the building housing PP

 

[disneypookies]

Here's a Cliffs Notes version of Ned's posts on this thread

1) Breastfeeding infants should stay home until weened

2) Eating and/or drinking are not allowed on WDW attractions (especially if it is coming from a breast)

3) Breastmilk becomes a biohazardous product when "excreted" on a WDW attraction that Ned is trying to enjoy

4) Peter Pan breaks down weekly requiring the Reedy Creek Fire Dept to bring 12 foot ladders to evacuate the building housing PP

 

[Mono~rail]

Ooops! I misspelled "weened." It is weaned.

 

[mill4023]

Here's a Cliffs Notes version of Ned's posts on this thread

1) Breastfeeding infants should stay home until weaned

Heck, let's just keep all kids home. I mean, really, who wants to have to listen to a crying kid while on vacation.

But good grief! I breastfed my daughter for 18 months, including in public, and I NEVER squirted anyone with my deadly breastmilk, ever - either accidentally or on purpose. Where do you come up with this stuff??

That's what I'd like to know as well. DW breastfed 4 kids, all for at least 18 months. I was even brave enough to sit next to her thousands of times while she was engaged in that offensive and hazardous activity. I guess I'm just extremely lucky that I was never struck by the flying milk.

 

[tjmw2727]

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If people want to find out about Peter Pan, then ask a CM. All rides go down periodically. The reason Peter Pan is an issue is because once those boats stop (if, say, someone is slow at getting in, or it has some other mechanical issue), they MUST call Reedy Creek Fire Dept. to come in. It happens all the time. Because that ride is ancient it is unsafe to start the vehicles with passengers in them. Simple fact.

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NED

I do want to find out - for more reasons than one. Personally, I think you came up with a theory to make your point that you don't want babies to bother you on rides. However I am interested for my own reasons. I have asked a couple CM"s, some Florida residents and others and nobody can verify your claim.

TJ