Rider Switch changing (Started June 16th)

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I've only done the FP double up once, though I have used the "extra" to bring an extra kid back on with me (Dad + 3 kids, get rider swap, give one of the kids my band and the 2 others with me using the swap). I am most frustrated with the 1 hour. Why can't it be for the length of stay, or length of ticket, or at the very least, 3 days? That's one thing we often do - get a swap, then everyone's crank,y or hungry, or it's raining, etc, so it gets pocketed and used the next time we're in the park that trip.
 
From my children's point of view (Ride junkies) the RS is an amazing perk and they are going to be totally mad when baby brother can ride with us, but luckily by that time they should be mature enough to be cool about it! He's 36" now so only about 10 things he can't ride.
 
I agree. I don’t see the point in the hour-deadline if people can only hold one at a time anyway.
If you think about Disney’s perspective - to enhance guest experience they want shorter wait times in lines, Disney knows that for ride A a steady flow of 500 people per hour in the FP line equals a 15 minute wait, so they give out 480 FP which assumes there will be 20 ‘wildcard’ FPs used during that hour too (RS returns, GS freebies for disgruntled guests, ride breakdown FPs, etc.) Everything goes along smoothly until, say 5 pm, when suddenly a whole bunch of ‘wildcard’ FP holders decide to ride and the FP line swells because suddenly there are 1000 FP holders entering the line, so the line is 30 minutes rather than Disney’s goal of 15 minutes.
By limiting the return time you eliminate the unpredictability of when the RS FP holders will return. Whether this RS switch will be enough to get a handle on the FP wait times (which really have gotten too long on some rides, IMO) remains to be seen. There are other sources of wildcard FPs.

I've seen a lot people talking/complaining about families "hoarding" or having a stack of swaps. What I don't understand is why is this an issue? I can certainly see how this is an issue for Disney in that they can't control the lines as well, but why is it an issue for someone else? I think people just see the passes and automatically think, "That's not fair that they get that many." But my family many times would go ride headliners once in the morning with short lines, then go back later for the other parent to ride. So we would sometimes have 5 - 10 passes at a time. That in no way gives my family an advantage over another family. The passes were used for the parent who hadn't ridden yet. That's what the rider swap is. Not as extra passes.

If my family can only hold one pass at a time and only have a short time window to use it, we are put at a distinct disadvantage during those golden morning hours. Instead of being able to ride Splash Mountain with low wait and then going to Big Thunder with low wait (as families with no small children can do), we instead have to ride Splash twice in a row, which means Big Thunder lines will go up by the time we get there. Going to Disney with kids is already difficult enough, and now it will be even more difficult.

Of course this is not a huge issue, and we will adjust. I just find it disappointing that Disney is changing their system for the worse (in my opinion of course).
Because every person who enters the FP line makes the wait longer. Disney scheduled a set number of FPs and when 10 times that many show up w/ ‘off the grid’ FPs then the FP line slows way down. If I enter the FP line in my scheduled afternoon hour and just before me 500 RS people who grabbed FPs that a.m., or yesterday or a week ago, or from eBay, enter the line too, I’m going to be stuck waiting longer.
Disney can’t increase ride capacity so they have to limit FP access at high demand times unless they are ok w/ FP waits of an hour, which they aren’t, so therefore they can’t allow too many unscheduled entries into the FP line during peak demand. They want to even out demand, RS returning and increasing demand during peak demand frustrates the goal of controlling demand through restricting access.
I've only done the FP double up once, though I have used the "extra" to bring an extra kid back on with me (Dad + 3 kids, get rider swap, give one of the kids my band and the 2 others with me using the swap). I am most frustrated with the 1 hour. Why can't it be for the length of stay, or length of ticket, or at the very least, 3 days? That's one thing we often do - get a swap, then everyone's crank,y or hungry, or it's raining, etc, so it gets pocketed and used the next time we're in the park that trip.
No one likes the rain, everyone gets cranky and hungry I’m not sure a family with a toddler should be treated better than a family with a 9 year old having a bad day or a family with a much loved elderly grandparent who may be taking their last trip but needs breaks due to health or any number of other worthy groups who’d also like to ‘save’ those unused FPs for later because life happened and they didn’t make their window. It was a nice perk, and in fact it’s too bad more couldn’t benefit from that type of flexibility, but Disney these days seems to be less and less about flexibility and more about scheduling.
The irony of this discussion is that most of those eligible for RS now and thus upset about the change won’t be eligible in a year or five and would inevitably have rejoined the ranks of RSless Park visitors.
 
Of course there are, those that always try to game the system. Ethics or morals aside, it is all about their own personal benefit - if it isn't against the rules, it's fair game.

You're right! And 'that' is what I meant by loopholes!! Some have been closed in the past, others are slowly closing.
 

I do wonder what the overall difference will be in number of people actually using the rider swaps, though I know we will likely never be privy to that info. Lots of people on here have stated that they often didn't end up using their passes (me included), because you just don't happen to make it back for it. With the need to use it immediately or not at all, I wonder of more people will be inclined to just use it then so they don't lose it, or if, because of the time limit, more people will skip out on it.

I just think it will all even out about the same. The thing is Disney will 'know' and not have them popping up all at once, the next day, or whenever. They aren't meant to be 'saved' for another convenient time, but for the convenience for parents at 'that' time.
I understand dealing with the littles in various situations, but that is what we parents sign up for when we have children - lots of inconveniences - but the payback is wonderful in day to day life.
 
I just think it will all even out about the same. The thing is Disney will 'know' and not have them popping up all at once, the next day, or whenever. They aren't meant to be 'saved' for another convenient time, but for the convenience for parents at 'that' time.
I understand dealing with the littles in various situations, but that is what we parents sign up for when we have children - lots of inconveniences - but the payback is wonderful in day to day life.
The whole idea of offering these systems is to convince families with small kids to come to the parks. They don't do it because they feel bad for the parents, they do it because they want the parent's money.

To the PP point that everyone has stuff happen including tall kids and grandma, the big difference is those things don't require the splitting of the group and a doubling of the total ride time. If Grandma can't ride she can stay by herself while everyone else rides, one time, then they are all back together again. If Grandma gets cranky while waiting, everyone else has still already ridden the ride. If a toddler gets cranky, the waiting parent no longer gets to ride.

I've never seen a rush of RS people slamming a FP line at once, probably because most get used right then. Of the others, a ton go to waste and the ones that don't will get used at times convient for each individual family, which will be different for everyone.

But comparing rider swap with toddlers to Grandma not liking rollercoasters is not a fair comparison.
 
For pre-show rides, We went on GOTG at DCA, and for ToT I remember that pre show room ALWAYS taking forever, then the wait in line after was another 30. Whatever the change with Digital FP they have their stuff under control. They allowed like 20 people in the little room, used to pack us in there, and then the line to the elevators was only about 5 mins. Again I state, with everything digital, they seem to have a better understanding of the numbers and let more FP riders through. I don't know how, but DL was the best line experience I have had in a long time, and I swear it's because of the digital factors.
 
To the PP point that everyone has stuff happen including tall kids and grandma, the big difference is those things don't require the splitting of the group and a doubling of the total ride time. If Grandma can't ride she can stay by herself while everyone else rides, one time, then they are all back together again. If Grandma gets cranky while waiting, everyone else has still already ridden the ride. If a toddler gets cranky, the waiting parent no longer gets to ride.

I think they were insinuating Grandma needs help so someone would have to miss out to sit with her. And if that is any different than someone who is unable to ride a ride due to not being tall enough. Both families are in the same situation in that they knew ahead of time that they will have someone traveling in their group who cannot ride certain rides and who cannot be left alone.
 
I think they were insinuating Grandma needs help so someone would have to miss out to sit with her. And if that is any different than someone who is unable to ride a ride due to not being tall enough. Both families are in the same situation in that they knew ahead of time that they will have someone traveling in their group who cannot ride certain rides and who cannot be left alone.
Correct. It is an advantage, and regardless of all of the arguments about how more difficult it is to travel with toddlers and young children - that is a choice you are making. There are plenty of situations and examples which would make traveling and enjoying the parks more difficult, yet Disney doesn't always provide assistance in those situations. But Disney provides some assistance with young children with the RS, which they don't have to, and now that Disney is tightening the restrictions over this advantage, people are up in arms? Be glad it is offered at all. It was designed so that families could ride attractions back to back, and while 1 hour might be difficult, and a few hours would be better, it certainly doesn't have to be at the end of the day or end of the month. If someone using FP without RS gets cranky or tired or hungry during their FP window, they certainly don't have the option to use it later.
 
I still say if they make this digital, that they should be able to give you an hour window to return and allow you to modify with available times, similar to what you can do with FP now.
 
I can understand why they would want to do this but it would be nice if they gave people a little notice before making this large of a change. Our FP and ADRs have been made and our schedule is already set. I have time scheduled for later in the day to use our swaps. Limiting to only an hour makes it extremely prohibitive. What if you have your FP booked back to back or an ADR to get to?

This isn’t going to ruin our trip or anything, but a little heads up would be appreciated. Hope it’s just a rumor.

We are in the same boat. We have an upcoming trip with a 7 year old, 3 year old and an infant. Our three year old is tall enough to ride most rides, but the infant is only 15 months. We didn't exactly plan on using RS this way. We will likely have to forgo some RS because of ADRs, etc. It isn't going to ruin our trip, but wish I would have known when I was making FPs 30 days ago.
 
I still say if they make this digital, that they should be able to give you an hour window to return and allow you to modify with available times, similar to what you can do with FP now.

I would be happy with that. You can modify FPs now. It seems so restrictive not to give you that ability. Only a one hour window seems so inflexible especially for rides that often have a long FP line and are long themselves. I'm looking at you Splash Mountain and Soarin. It could easily take longer than an hour to get through the FP line and those attractions. Then you have to find your party and switch the kids and get back in line....all in an hour. Not to mention what happens when you use a standby line that is longer than an hour. How is that gauged?
 
Correct. It is an advantage, and regardless of all of the arguments about how more difficult it is to travel with toddlers and young children - that is a choice you are making. There are plenty of situations and examples which would make traveling and enjoying the parks more difficult, yet Disney doesn't always provide assistance in those situations. But Disney provides some assistance with young children with the RS, which they don't have to, and now that Disney is tightening the restrictions over this advantage, people are up in arms? Be glad it is offered at all. It was designed so that families could ride attractions back to back, and while 1 hour might be difficult, and a few hours would be better, it certainly doesn't have to be at the end of the day or end of the month. If someone using FP without RS gets cranky or tired or hungry during their FP window, they certainly don't have the option to use it later.

Actually, you do have the option to use your FP later. You can modify FPs. You may not be able to get a FP for the same attraction (then again you may), but you do have the option to modify your FP selections. We don't know about RS yet.
 
I still say if they make this digital, that they should be able to give you an hour window to return and allow you to modify with available times, similar to what you can do with FP now.

I still don't know that this "one hour" is a thing, mostly because Disney knows that many of the rides that would impact have very long Standby lines.

But to your point of it going digital and Disney having options ............. a good way for them to handle is like the DAS which system assigns a return time based on Standby wait. System could take that wait, add one hour and place it on MDE. There would then never be an issue with expiring since the hour (if it even happens) won't start until the approximate time Party 1 is loading on attraction.
 
The whole idea of offering these systems is to convince families with small kids to come to the parks. They don't do it because they feel bad for the parents, they do it because they want the parent's money.

To the PP point that everyone has stuff happen including tall kids and grandma, the big difference is those things don't require the splitting of the group and a doubling of the total ride time. If Grandma can't ride she can stay by herself while everyone else rides, one time, then they are all back together again. If Grandma gets cranky while waiting, everyone else has still already ridden the ride. If a toddler gets cranky, the waiting parent no longer gets to ride.

I've never seen a rush of RS people slamming a FP line at once, probably because most get used right then. Of the others, a ton go to waste and the ones that don't will get used at times convient for each individual family, which will be different for everyone.

But comparing rider swap with toddlers to Grandma not liking rollercoasters is not a fair comparison.

You said "If a toddler gets cranky, the waiting parent no longer gets to ride." Why is that so? Couldn't the parent that just rode now take charge of the cranky toddler (or the one that now needs changing or food or whatever) so the waiting parent gets to ride?
 
I haven't read all the responses on this thread, so I might be repeating what someone has already stated. For those using the standby and rider swap, I would think the CM would take into account the posted wait time when assigning the one hour return time. So, if you request a rider swap when entering the standby line at 11:00 am, your RS return time should begin at the earliest 12:00 pm. This is how I see it working.
 
I still don't know that this "one hour" is a thing, mostly because Disney knows that many of the rides that would impact have very long Standby lines.

But to your point of it going digital and Disney having options ............. a good way for them to handle is like the DAS which system assigns a return time based on Standby wait. System could take that wait, add one hour and place it on MDE. There would then never be an issue with expiring since the hour (if it even happens) won't start until the approximate time Party 1 is loading on attraction.

I was wondering if they could do it like DAS. I wasn't completely sure how that system worked now.

We may use that system for some rides for my stepson who has ASD... although maybe not... haven't decided how much I want to tempt fate for a meltdown. He can stand in lines, most of the time, without too much issue. But I'm also not sure about the sensory overload that is WDW. I was hoping to use RS for him, more than the 18 month old, if that makes sense. Hopefully we still can make it work, and we, luckily, have a year to plan, unlike some folks who may get blind sided by this for upcoming trips.
 
I was wondering if they could do it like DAS. I wasn't completely sure how that system worked now.

We may use that system for some rides for my stepson who has ASD... although maybe not... haven't decided how much I want to tempt fate for a meltdown. He can stand in lines, most of the time, without too much issue. But I'm also not sure about the sensory overload that is WDW. I was hoping to use RS for him, more than the 18 month old, if that makes sense. Hopefully we still can make it work, and we, luckily, have a year to plan, unlike some folks who may get blind sided by this for upcoming trips.

I understand. Not sure how old he is but I have been refused RS for my son who tall enough AND is VERY CLEARLY disabled and unable to wait outside the ride alone. I would say each day we use the DAS maybe once. It's just much easier to use the FP+ system. We can do it from wherever we are on our phones, and often we can get a time much sooner than waiting for the length of the DAS wait time.

With DAS you go to the ride you wish to obtain a time. Anyone in your party that GR put on his DAS can go get the time, he does not have to be there but he does have to ride. You request a return time. They will scan the MB, ask who is riding (DAS holder plus 5) and check off their names (they use those little iPhone/iPad things) and the system would automatically calculate your return time based on the Standby time. If RS is digital I assume the same CMs with the same devices will scan the MBs and the system will calculate the return time. The system is already in place, all they have to do is modify the software a bit for RS and it should be a breeze.
 
You said "If a toddler gets cranky, the waiting parent no longer gets to ride." Why is that so? Couldn't the parent that just rode now take charge of the cranky toddler (or the one that now needs changing or food or whatever) so the waiting parent gets to ride?

Depends...by the time the first parent is off the ride, the FP window could already be closed or standby line could have gotten a lot longer. So for the second parent to ride may not be feasible. That's the whole point of RS is to allow the person staying behind with the child the guarantee that they can still get on the ride, irregardless of standby wait or fast pass window.
 
I understand. Not sure how old he is but I have been refused RS for my son who tall enough AND is VERY CLEARLY disabled and unable to wait outside the ride alone. I would say each day we use the DAS maybe once. It's just much easier to use the FP+ system. We can do it from wherever we are on our phones, and often we can get a time much sooner than waiting for the length of the DAS wait time.

With DAS you go to the ride you wish to obtain a time. Anyone in your party that GR put on his DAS can go get the time, he does not have to be there but he does have to ride. You request a return time. They will scan the MB, ask who is riding (DAS holder plus 5) and check off their names (they use those little iPhone/iPad things) and the system would automatically calculate your return time based on the Standby time. If RS is digital I assume the same CMs with the same devices will scan the MBs and the system will calculate the return time. The system is already in place, all they have to do is modify the software a bit for RS and it should be a breeze.

Yeah, wasn't sure about RS for DS. We would use RS for the 18 month old, but DS would be the one to get 2 rides to keep him occupied...at least that was kind of the game plan. We will see...DAS may work for other things for DS and the group. I will have to jump over to the Disability boards and get more info.
 
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