Restructuring Pleasure Island

So Universal already had a CityWalk in California? That's good to know for future reference. :)

Now, what about a McDonald's on the West Side? Dining at McD's, games at ESPN and maybe a quiet movie. Think of the possibilities! ;)
 
I can't find a build date, but I could have sworn that Pleasure Island existed before Citywalk Hollywood. If only by a few years. DTD on the other hand.....
 
Thankyou DB, I knew PI came first. I think most people don't realize PI was there long before Downtown Disney stained the village.
 

what about adding a broadway-like theater (especially since the lion king NYC is closing). i know there is la nouba, but this might be another high-revenue stream. granted there is already festival of the lion king in AK, and the beauty and the beast show in MGM, but this might be another option.
 
hAm53 said:
what about adding a broadway-like theater (especially since the lion king NYC is closing). i know there is la nouba, but this might be another high-revenue stream. granted there is already festival of the lion king in AK, and the beauty and the beast show in MGM, but this might be another option.

that's a great idea....a venue for real shows.....whether broadway style shows, or bigtime entertainers....
my preference would be broadway shows (although i'm not big on the disney broadway shows....i hated the broadway version of lion king)...
 
Don't forget that PI was in response to Church Street Station (which is gone, isn't it?)

As for chains at PI. Many people go to WDW for a comfort vacation, so a collection of familiar restaurants that have known menus, that the kids like - and that don't cost as much as a Disney TS restaurant - makes a lot of sense. If they can get that and actually make MORE $$$ than the PI clubs, then of course Disney will jump at it.

I loved PI when it opened. I'm a AC man (Kunglaloosh!) and have actually participated in some of the library shows. I also enjoy the CW - although it pales in comparison to some of the comedy clubs in Vegas. And I enjoyed "club-hopping' in a 'safe' environment. However, the past few years my enjoyment of PI has decreased. It was a great idea, but it's time is past.....
 
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DrTomorrow said:
Don't forget that PI was in response to Church Street Station (which is gone, isn't it?)
Church Street Station isn't gone, but the original Church Street Station restaurants and lounges had closed. However, Church Street Station is trying to make a comeback. New restaurants and lounges are opening, including the Exchange Lounge, News Cafe, Pearl Steakhouse.

The newest club is Paris Hilton's Club Paris Nightclub. But Club Paris doesn't even admit to being at Church Street Station. Their website only says, "Club Paris is located in downtown Orlando, Florida."

It remains to be seen if this attempt to revive Church Street Station succeeds. This recent Orlando Weekly column is not encouraging.

Do you remember the old Church Street Station, wiith Rosie O'Grady's Good Time Emporium, Apple Annie's Courtyard, Lille Marlene's Aviator's Pub, the Cheyenne Saloon, the Orchid Garden, and Phineas Phogg's Balloon Works?
 
I should probably keep my mouth shut, but I'm bothered a lot by the idea of something as unique as the Adventurers Club running its course in favor of a cheap chain restaurant with a kids' menu. I was never big on the "original creative intent of Disney" but maybe I'm going there.
 
I think City Walk west coast even has a 3D IMAX :cool1: if I recall correctly.
I don't know how many 3D IMAXs there are. The only one I have actually viewed is in Omaha, Neb.
 
Personally I wouldn't want familiar restaurants. There are plenty of those in Orlando already. A theatre to host traveling Broadway productions, a restaurant with healthy food ...maybe Asian fusion or a tapas bar. Or get Rachel Ray to establish a restaurant of her favorite dishes.

I guess since I went to PI for the first time in 1993 (although I'd been there before that) I thought Citywalk, CA had preceded it. Even so I have to wonder if places like Atlanta's Underground, Baltimore's Inner Harbor or Cleveland's Riverfront (possibly the scariest rendition of a waterfront redevelopment project I've ever seen...personally I would have never have thought of the idea of mixing alcohol and power boats...maybe they've rethought it since I was there) were also inspirations for Citywalk, CA...it didn't seem to have much in common with PI.
 
The origins for Pleasure Island came from places just like the Baltimore waterfront project. Disney wanted an adult/nighttime entertainment district and they used the "refurbished harbor" model as the theme – complete with the overly elaborate backstory of Meriwether Pleasure and his sail making factory.

The outsourcing of Pleasure Island is the result of the current business model at WDW. Disney continues to require significant profit growth from, yet the overall business itself has hit a plateau. As is demonstrated with Animal Kingdom, the resort simply can't continue to increase the number of people coming to the resort.

One way is to make more money from existing facilities. Current thinking is that Disney will make more money if it simply collects rent rather than run facilities. Let someone else worry about staffing and utilities and profit margins and pleasing the guests.

If it's handled well, this can actually be a good thing for the park. For decades Disneyland leased out shops and restaurants to outside companies. They offered a unique and much broader range of products and services than Disney could offer on its own: from Pendleton woolen goods to pianos and antiques to one-of-a-kind flavors of Carnation ice cream (and WDW's Dole Whips have nothing on the old Welch's Concord Grape Slushes from the old Fantasyland). This practice was also used when World Showcase opened so that the restaurants would be operated by companies from the countries they represent.

Of course, it can also be a bad thing. A huge problem with Disneyland's Downtown is that every store there can be found at least one other mall within a twenty minute drive. The development has become a bland and generic experience with low sales and constant turnover. Without anything unique, there is no reason for locals to go (and there aren't enough retail tourists to support it).

Perhaps we'll get lucky and someone enterprising business person will come up with a facility as unique and interesting as the Adventurer's Club. Sadly I think Disney's going to set the rents and the guarantees so high all we'll get is another chain restaurant. And WDW will become just a little less interesting.
 




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