Resort Room-Only Discounts Reducing for Passholders

dizneemaineeak

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:confused: Lately it seems the General Public Room-Only discounts are almost equal to the annual passholder room-only discounts. In years past the annual passholder room-only discounts were at least 10% higher than the general public discounts. I know the annual pass has other benefits, but the one that meant the most to me (room-only discount), and my wallet, seems to be gradually reducing each year. Any theories on why this passholder benefit is not so beneficial anymore?
 
:confused: Lately it seems the General Public Room-Only discounts are almost equal to the annual passholder room-only discounts. In years past the annual passholder room-only discounts were at least 10% higher than the general public discounts. I know the annual pass has other benefits, but the one that meant the most to me (room-only discount), and my wallet, seems to be gradually reducing each year. Any theories on why this passholder benefit is not so beneficial anymore?

I have seen this trend as well. Another trend started this year is Disney offering the general public a discount before any annual pass discounts.

I say: Whats up with that?

I think Disney feels since you have an AP you will come back before the pass expires, discount or not. Our Easter trip next year will be off site where I can get a 3 bedroom, 3 bath house with private pool for less than a Value resort. We are driving so transportation & parking is covered.
 
I think Disney is targeting the people that aren't taking a trip unless there is a decent discount or ones that are considering going but haven't booked. We have never had APs and I do understand the argument for loyalty (i.e., being rewarded via good discounts for being a loyal customer), but I think Disney sees AP holders as a sure thing (at least for the 1 year they have the pass) and doesn't have to work at getting them to return.
 
It's not just Disney, this is the first year we have not had Ap's in many years. Our pofq 10 night stay myw package with free dining was less than room only and two Ap's by quite a bit. We have also had season tickets for aaa baseball, and it is not worth it anymore. They are hurting for walk up attendance so deals are plentiful and better. I believe most of these businesses take their diehard guests for granted.
 

There was also a time discounts were easier to find, now it seems week ends are not discounted as much.:confused3
 
Our pofq 10 night stay myw package with free dining was less than room only and two Ap's by quite a bit.

I agree that there have been times when a package (including a mandatory ticket purchase) came in at less than a RO reservation at the time. When that happened during my travel dates, I booked the package. I figured the tickets were "free" since the overall cost of my trip was less than booking a RO deal, and I saved those for the invevitable times that someone without an AP wants to tag along with me on a trip.

To me, it's less about who gets the offer first, and more about keeping my vacation within my budget by booking whatever deal I can. I've seen so many posts this week complaining that the GP came out first and they were waiting for the AP rates . . . why were they waiting? If anyone sees a deal, they should pounce on it as soon as possible, especially if there are no cancellation or change penalties involved. There's nothing to stop an AP holder from booking any GP offer that's out there. When the GP rates for fall came out, I booked my trip. Then when the AP rates came out the next day, I rebooked and saved another $200. It took very little time to book or to switch. The packages I've booked were GP offers as well. There have been some years where I've had an AP for park admission, but none of my stays were booked with an AP discount because a bounceback, or resident, or GP deal was better - so I booked those instead. I never felt like my AP was a waste of money because I didn't get a room discount with it.

There's also been a lot of posts regarding how large the discounts are. Some have said that 5% is a slap in the face. Well, I remember back prior to 2008 when there were AP offers that were only for specific resort categories, or sometimes specific resorts (one summer, they had one for Epcot resorts ONLY). It's not something new. Granted, many of us have been spoiled by the large discounts over the past two or three years when the economy tanked and Disney was hurting. But they aren't hurting and they are just going back to what was more or less the norm. I can remember when 25% was pretty standard as far as resorts go and if I got anything better than that, I was thrilled. Do I wish I was getting 40% off my next stay? Sure. Am I glad I was able to get a discount at all? Yes - I wouldn't be going otherwise. I'll just have to stay flexible in regards to resort choice and room type when it comes to getting the best deals.

Everyone needs to remember that an AP is for discounted park admission - nothing more. If we do get anything more (room discounts, dining discounts, merchandise discounts) those are perks - and perks can be added or taken away at any time. Perks are not something you can count on as guaranteed, and should be enjoyed for what they are while you have them. The only thing that is guaranteed is your park admission (so long as the parks aren't at capacity).
 
Last year Disney announced that they would be reducing the number of discounts available this year.

I called as soon as the GP discounts were announced and had that applied to my room only stay.

I am an AP holder. I then called when the AP discounts were announced and the room/resort I was currently booked at had no AP discounted rooms available so I kept the GP Discount to stay where I really wanted.
 
There's also been a lot of posts regarding how large the discounts are. Some have said that 5% is a slap in the face. Well, I remember back prior to 2008 when there were AP offers that were only for specific resort categories, or sometimes specific resorts (one summer, they had one for Epcot resorts ONLY). It's not something new. Granted, many of us have been spoiled by the large discounts over the past two or three years when the economy tanked and Disney was hurting. But they aren't hurting and they are just going back to what was more or less the norm. I can remember when 25% was pretty standard as far as resorts go and if I got anything better than that, I was thrilled. Do I wish I was getting 40% off my next stay? Sure. Am I glad I was able to get a discount at all? Yes - I wouldn't be going otherwise. I'll just have to stay flexible in regards to resort choice and room type when it comes to getting the best deals.

Everything you said is absolutely true. I think the issue is that Disney raised their prices for the resorts significantly, then when the economy tanked they fell into the habit of offering significant discounts to fill all thise rooms. Now the general public has come to expect the discounts and Disney is trying to wean them off them. Whether or not Disney will be successful without seeing a dip in bookings remains to be seen.
 
:confused: Lately it seems the General Public Room-Only discounts are almost equal to the annual passholder room-only discounts. In years past the annual passholder room-only discounts were at least 10% higher than the general public discounts. I know the annual pass has other benefits, but the one that meant the most to me (room-only discount), and my wallet, seems to be gradually reducing each year. Any theories on why this passholder benefit is not so beneficial anymore?

Not that many people come to the parks more than twice a year, so they do not purchase the annual pass. In order for Disney to suck them in, they have to offer larger discounts. You are right, the annual pass does give you more perks, so you do have some benefits.:artist:
 
Disney's entire model is punative to it's loyal customers. I reward them by not staying in their hotels for $$$. I have DVC, but if I don't use my points it is the Swan/Dolphin, DTD hotel or offsite. Those hotels offer more for the money and reward you for returning.
 
I have seen this trend as well. Another trend started this year is Disney offering the general public a discount before any annual pass discounts.

I say: Whats up with that?

I think Disney feels since you have an AP you will come back before the pass expires, discount or not. Our Easter trip next year will be off site where I can get a 3 bedroom, 3 bath house with private pool for less than a Value resort. We are driving so transportation & parking is covered.

Probably more a case of marketing really wanting to get more [numerically] sales commitments earlier. Tourism has been taking a beating, and the Disney parks have been in an expense period due to their various projects.
 
:confused: Lately it seems the General Public Room-Only discounts are almost equal to the annual passholder room-only discounts. In years past the annual passholder room-only discounts were at least 10% higher than the general public discounts. I know the annual pass has other benefits, but the one that meant the most to me (room-only discount), and my wallet, seems to be gradually reducing each year. Any theories on why this passholder benefit is not so beneficial anymore?

Yep. I agree. I've been a AP holder for years and my past 3 trips were booked with a PIN offer because it was better than the AP discount. Sorry, but a 10% discounted room will not get me to Disney World.
 
I was able to make buying an AP just for the discounts pay off, but just barely.

When the fall GP discounts came out on Monday, we applied them to our December Poly/BC split stay with my parents and saved about $2180 off rack rate.

Then, when the AP discounts came out on Tuesday, we switched to those and saved an additional $380 (basically, 5% extra across the board).

The cost to upgrade one of our 8 day MYW tickets to an AP is $294.

So the net savings from the AP came out to $86.
 



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