Reporter Incident at the Jets Practice

[Liberty Belle]

1) Good God are you serious right now? Anything you would wear for a job interview is acceptable. Do you go to your job interviews in jeans and a halter top?

2) She wasn't complaining about being naked but naked men in a locker room are going to look at a female's body if she is in there and they're going to make comments to the rest of their boys. And from what I gathered in the reports I've read, the guys were making comments to each other, not to the reporter.

1) Yes, perfectly serious. No, I don't go to job interviews in jeans and halter tops. I also don't go to football games in suits and heels. If I worked in a daycare, I wouldn't go in suits and heels or really anything that would hinder flexibility. If I worked as a landscaper, I wouldn't go in suits and heels, either.

2) So you're admitting you should change your original post?

 

[NHdisneylover]

I think you adjust to the norm in the country in which you visit. When I travel abroad I try to blend in with theirs customs and not stand out as an American. I think that is part of being a good traveler. Of course I am not always successful but I make the effort.

If I were to get a job in Italy, Germany, the UK, Saudi Arabia, or any other foreign country I would dress in what is considered professional in that country even if it is very different then what I wear back in the USA. Heck, if i were to get a job next door and they had a different culture (more laid back or everyone wears a suit) I would also adjust.

The rest of that discussion/argument I want no part in.

Actually, I tend to dress more localish too (not totally so thought depending on where i am--gosh I do not blend in all that well in the US either) HOWEVER, I would not expect to see the news reporters who are on assignment appear on the same channels they always do dressed differently than normal.
IF you believe that OUR reporters who are on assignment abroad and are conducting interviews to air in the US should dress as whatever is the norm for reporters in the country they are in at the time then I think you have a defensible argument. The OP has said that is not the case for him--every reporter no matter where they are from should dress as someone from an "Industrialized Nation" or else they are not being professional. I find that to be arrogant and major double standard.

You're not listening to me. Look at the major industrialized nations and how their reporters dress (U.S., England, Australia, etc.) The reporters dress for success in attire that is professional. So it's NOT just the American way, it's the World's way.

Also I'd be curious when was the last time our reporters went to Mexico to interview some of their players. Perhaps you can tell me since you to be so well informed on the subject.

I never claimed to care one iota about sports reporting. I do not even like any televised sport other than soccer and I do not want to watch reports of even that. Journalism in general and norms and trends in a few countries and how they change from place to place--yeah I have some familiarity with that. More importantly, I can see beyond MY way of life and recognize that other ways may be different without being unprofessional or bad--just a different standard.

 

[NHdisneylover]

So if you're on a beach in France or Italy, you're going to wear a speedo right? lol

Why not? I fully admit I hate the way those look on men and am therefor relived that my DH and son do not wear them (even on beaches in France and Italy), but is others do that is okay.

 

[Liberty Belle]

1) Because you're not working them.

2) No.

You said: She was mad because the players were making comments, whistling at her, running in her direction. She was also upset because players were naked in the MENS Locker Room.

But you have failed to prove it.

 

[NHdisneylover]

1) Because you're not working them.

2) No.

So stadium employees wear suits and heels? I had no idea. I have never been to a pro football game. Did not see this at the Red Wings Games, Tigers games, Shock or Pistons though.

 

[NHdisneylover]

But why aren't your DH and DS conforming to the norms of that particular region?

Because I think it is okay to still represent YOUR own culture when travelling. Thus, I think it is okay for the reporter in question to dress like reporters in her culture tend to when she is in the US. I also happen to think it is okay to do the when in Rome thing if you want to and are comfortable--I just do not think that is required in dress (short of very basic respect items--like covering up to enter churches and mosques, etc).

It would seem that YOU (who insists that if she comes to the US she must dress like an American reporter) would be the one who would (if you are consistent) would wear a speedo when in France or Italy.

 

[Liberty Belle]

So stadium employees wear suits and heels? I had no idea. I have never been to a pro football game. Did not see this at the Red Wings Games, Tigers games, Shock or Pistons though.

Yeah, they don't in any I've been to. Wait...I've only been to college football games. I did see some khakis.

 

[NHdisneylover]

Some do depending on their particular responsibilities. People in marketing/business development roles do, just like reporters do.

People who sells dogs and nuts obviously wouldn't.

So if your responsibility is reporting to an audience who expects to see you in jeans and a halter top that is what you wear. Seems simple to me

 

[NHdisneylover]

Yeah, they don't in any I've been to. Wait...I've only been to college football games. I did see some khakis.

Well perhaps those college kids are just slackers

 

[FireDancer]

Actually, I tend to dress more localish too (not totally so thought depending on where i am--gosh I do not blend in all that well in the US either) HOWEVER, I would not expect to see the news reporters who are on assignment appear on the same channels they always do dressed differently than normal.
IF you believe that OUR reporters who are on assignment abroad and are conducting interviews to air in the US should dress as whatever is the norm for reporters in the country they are in at the time then I think you have a defensible argument. The OP has said that is not the case for him--every reporter no matter where they are from should dress as someone from an "Industrialized Nation" or else they are not being professional. I find that to be arrogant and major double standard.

I do think if a US reporter is in another country covering a story and that country has different customs they should dress (or act) accordingly. If it is considered proper for a reporter (male of female) to wear a head covering for example I think they should out of respect for the local customs.

The western way is the only way is pretty arrogant, I agree. Other cultures have other customs and while I do think some are wrong (how women are treated in some countries or how some censor the media for example) it is their country and not up to us to tell them how they should live. That is between the people and their government.

In this particular case it might be normal for a female reporter to dress like she is going bar hoping while on TV while she is in Mexico but she wasn't in Mexico and where she was (here) we have a cultural norm for what is generally considered professional attire.

Some may disagree and that is fine, it is merely my opinion.

So if your responsibility is reporting to an audience who expects to see you in jeans and a halter top that is what you wear. Seems simple to me

And that is fine but at the same time you have to expect that here, where that isn't the norm, people will notice and comment. Relating it to my above example, if a reporter is in a country that expects it's reporters to wear a head covering and he/she does not we would not be surprised (as the Mexicans in your example wouldn't be surprised) but at the same time the local people will notice and may comment on it. I think it would be wrong if we then decided they should have just kept their mouths shut because back home we expected what we saw even though that is not what would have been expected there.

At the same time I would not have been offended or felt slighted because the reporter decided to wear the head covering just as I would hope any intelligent Mexican person would not have been offended had their reporter dressed appropriately for where they were since they were not at home.

 

[MissFitt]

2) She wasn't complaining about being naked but naked men in a locker room are going to look at a female's body if she is in there and they're going to make comments to the rest of their boys. And from what I gathered in the reports I've read, the guys were making comments to each other, not to the reporter.

That is so untrue! Have you ever been in the locker room of of men's professionals sports team after a game? Have you ever been there in the capacity of a job? Better yet, have you ever been there in the capacity of a job as a female sports reporter (or someone working on the sports broadcast)?

Well I have and there have been naked men who DID not look at my female body and make comments on it to the rest of the boys...they knew I was there in a professional capacity and they were more than respectful to my being there...and because somebody will ask, there were times I was in a skirt and heels (not too mini skirts but sometimes a shade above the knee) Real men know how to act in the situation, immature brats do not.

 

[luvmy3]

Bottomline is women know how men are and we're never going to change!!!! So knowing that, women need to do what they feel is in their best interest. Dress appropriately for situations and you won't have an issue. Those jeans she was wearing don't belong in a men's locker room where men are walking around naked. That's the bottomline.

So tight jeans don't belong where there are naked men? I really feel sorry for any man that is in capable (or anyone who thinks they are incapable) of controling their naked self when seeing a woman in tight jeans.

Yikes. Hopefully you aren't trying to paint all men with that same scummy brush. I tend to give the male species a bit more credit than that. It is truly a minority of men who simply cannot control their mouths in the presence of a hot chick. Most guys I know have more class than that. Lucky me eh?

Count me in as one of the lucky ones too. I haven't known a guy who acted like that since I was in high-school. Most of them do grow up.

So it's mexico's customs for their reporters to dress like a street walker? By the way, from most accounts I've heard, the media is NOT on the side of this reporter (and I've heard from a lot of women in the media who also think she made a mistake in the attire she chose to wear). Sorry you can't understand that.

It doesn't matter what she was wearing, her outfit whether skimpoy or not is still not an excuse for the men there to act like perfect ***es.

So, wait. Am I scummy if I take notice to a nice looking woman showing her cleavage, and mention it quietly to my friends at the bar, or is it only if I start howling and whistling at her?

I don't like being on the side of the scummy people.

Quietly mentioning it to your friends is pretty normal, unless you hang around with the guys Chicago does I guess.

 

[NHdisneylover]

I do think if a US reporter is in another country covering a story and that country has different customs they should dress (or act) accordingly. If it is considered proper for a reporter (male of female) to wear a head covering for example I think they should out of respect for the local customs.

Then I can completely respect your opinion that she should have been dressed differently (though I disagree and feel it is fine for her to dress for her audience--I respect your balanced views).

The western way is the only way is pretty arrogant, I agree. Other cultures have other customs and while I do think some are wrong (how women are treated in some countries or how some censor the media for example) it is their country and not up to us to tell them how they should live. That is between the people and their government.

In this particular case it might be normal for a female reporter to dress like she is going bar hoping while on TV while she is in Mexico but she wasn't in Mexico and where she was (here) we have a cultural norm for what is generally considered professional attire.

Some may disagree and that is fine, it is merely my opinion.



And that is fine but at the same time you have to expect that here, where that isn't the norm, people will notice and comment. Relating it to my above example, if a reporter is in a country that expects it's reporters to wear a head covering and he/she does not we would not be surprised (as the Mexicans in your example wouldn't be surprised) but at the same time the local people will notice and may comment on it. I think it would be wrong if we then decided they should have just kept their mouths shut because back home we expected what we saw even though that is not what would have been expected there.

At the same time I would not have been offended or felt slighted because the reporter decided to wear the head covering just as I would hope any intelligent Mexican person would not have been offended had their reporter dressed appropriately for where they were since they were not at home.

Again, this reporter was not surprised or upset at all by the attention.

 

[FireDancer]

Again, this reporter was not surprised or upset at all by the attention.

That is true.

 

[AmazingGrace]

Wow!! Naked men in the locker room!! What IS the world coming to?