Renting Pts months out, realistic options?

[crisi]

They need 2 things for you to be able to get your request filled. There has to be availability for the room you have requested and there has to be an owner with that home resort willing to rent their points (within 7 months any owner can book based on availability). If you're trying at this point to get either Standard or Boardwalk views then you're likely too late. Garden/Pool view should offer availability...then it would just come down to them having an owner to book it.

And the reality is that there are far more people looking to rent points at Boardwalk than owners that aren't going to use their own points for a stay and have points available to rent. Some people will never find points - which is one of the reasons to start working with brokers early. At seven months, when any owner can book BW, points will become available, but any remaining rooms will disappear - likely before you can make the connection.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

No reason to break it into two reservations. If your desired view studio is available exactly 11 months from check-in, the owner can book 7 nights, then either add a night every day, or wait 4 days and add the remainder online by "modifying" the reservation, assuming all the points are coming from the same membership[.

But OP is using a rboker, and brokers won't do it that way. Brokers won't get users to book until all 11 nights are available -- 11 months + 4 days.

 

[drusba]

DVC has two reservation windows. Beginning 11-months out from date of arrival, an owner of a resort can reserve that resort (and only a resort he owns) for up to 7 nights; he can add nights thereafter. At 7-months out, an owner at any resort can reserve up to 7 nights at any other resort (and add days thereafter)

The initial issue is having someone willing to rent. You are more limited at 11-months out because you, or the broker, must find an owner of the resort that you want who can rent the amount of time you want. For an 11-night reservation, you mention possibly trying for two reservations. The reality is you may have to try for two reservations because no one owner, who is found and may be willing to rent, may have enough points to reserve that many nights.

The next issue is availability. DVC at WDW has two demand seasons. The low to moderate demand season runs from the day after Marathon weekend in Jan to late Sep. The high to extremely high demand season runs from late Sep to marathon weekend in Jan. You want time in Oct, which is high demand, with about the middle 2 1/2 weeks of Oct being part of the extremely high demand time.

There are certain rooms that can be difficult to get even at 11-months out many times of year. Two of those are BWV and BLT standard view studios. During that high demand season, those can often disappear within moments after 8 a.m. eastern at exactly 11 months out, when the 11-month reservation window opens. In essence, even if you can find an owner who can rent one of those and is willing to make the attempt at exactly 11 months out, you still have a risk of failure simply due to the fact that the owner's particular computer may be nanoseconds slower in communicating with Disney's computer than some other member's computer. And if you have to get a second owner to reserve additional days, you have the same risk of failure for those. Other studios that have a risk of disappearing at exactly 11-months out for that time of year include AKV value and club level studios, CCV studios, VGF studios and BWV boardwalk view studios. Studios that typically last for some time into the 11-month window are AKV standard and savanna view, BLT lake and theme park view, BRV, Poly, BCV, OKW and SSR. SSR has the highest chance of being open for majority of dates in Oct at 7 months out, followed by OKW and AKV Kidani savanna view (but even for those some dates can disappear before 7 months out). Other studios are more likely to disappear before 7 months out.

If you plan to rent 11 nights in the same studio in October, you should likely first relinquish the idea that you can get low cost, near park rooms, such as BWV standard or BLT standard view studios. BWV pool/garden view, BLT lake (or theme park) view, and BCV are more realistic possibilities if you can find someone to rent them, as are BRV and AKV (except for value and club level).

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

But OP is using a rboker, and brokers won't do it that way. Brokers won't get users to book until all 11 nights are available -- 11 months + 4 days.

I was wondering that and guessing that would be the case.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I was wondering that and guessing that would be the case.

More than that, the average owner using a broker gets to pick and choose what request to pick up, and I feel like most owners aren't going to go to that effort for the broker payout. They'll pick up the easier booking.

Maybe that just reflects me. I'll use a broker to not have to deal with questions, and to go for an easier booking.

 

[Lauraswi]

They need 2 things for you to be able to get your request filled. There has to be availability for the room you have requested and there has to be an owner with that home resort willing to rent their points (within 7 months any owner can book based on availability). If you're trying at this point to get either Standard or Boardwalk views then you're likely too late. Garden/Pool view should offer availability...then it would just come down to them having an owner to book it.

Thanks. So trying 8 months early was too late? They said I am on the waiting list for garden/pool view. I don’t know how likely this is though. So I should have done it 11 months prior? I’ve tried to find an owner on my own on here but not having any luck. Do all of these companies have the same inventory then?

 

[JETSDAD]

Thanks. So trying 8 months early was too late? They said I am on the waiting list for garden/pool view. I don’t know how likely this is though. So I should have done it 11 months prior? I’ve tried to find an owner on my own on here but not having any luck. Do all of these companies have the same inventory then?

Yes, 11 months is ideal. If it's room availability then yes, everyone has the same inventory. If there are rooms but the broker simply doesn't have an owner looking to rent points at that home resort, then another broker may be able to fill your request.

 

[tarheelalum]

Thank you all for your insight. I really appreciate it. It looks like breaking it into two reservations is the way to go for me. I'm still going to try and hope for the standard view but budget for the more expensive view studios. Thanks again for everyone's input.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Thank you all for your insight. I really appreciate it. It looks like breaking it into two reservations is the way to go for me. I'm still going to try and hope for the standard view but budget for the more expensive view studios. Thanks again for everyone's input.

I think someone else mentioned, but you'll be ok moving rooms if per chance the first one gets a standard view but the second reservation can't? If not then you might want to go in for the more likely reservation requests that require a few more points.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Thanks. So trying 8 months early was too late? They said I am on the waiting list for garden/pool view. I don’t know how likely this is though. So I should have done it 11 months prior? I’ve tried to find an owner on my own on here but not having any luck. Do all of these companies have the same inventory then?

Are you trying to go over the Princess race weekend? If so that would definitely mean that booking earlier would be necessary. Race weekend's book up faster than many other times.

 

[crisi]

Thank you all for your insight. I really appreciate it. It looks like breaking it into two reservations is the way to go for me. I'm still going to try and hope for the standard view but budget for the more expensive view studios. Thanks again for everyone's input.

The reality of working with a broker is they may not even be willing to check on standard view for you. At that time of year, it just won't be there....owners will be "walking" that reservation and a broker won't be able or willing to find an owner to do that. It isn't a realistic expectation. There is a very small chance you could find a private owner willing to do that for you.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Thanks. So trying 8 months early was too late? They said I am on the waiting list for garden/pool view. I don’t know how likely this is though. So I should have done it 11 months prior? I’ve tried to find an owner on my own on here but not having any luck. Do all of these companies have the same inventory then?

Brokers have zero inventory usually, unless an owner has a week they can't use and want to rent it out. But those usually show up about a month or so before the reservation. For RunDisney events you need to book at eleven months out. You might be able to book SSR or OKW at eight months out though. Brokers only have members who want to rent out their points, not inventory.

 

[crisi]

Brokers are functionally a matchmaking service. I, an owner, have points I am not going to use (note the first issue here is that the vast majority of owners each year use their own points). I decide that I don't want the bother of renting them out on the private market, so I contact a broker...."Hey, I have 150 BWV points to rent out with an April Use Year."

You, a renter, decides you'd like to go to Disney, and stay at the Boardwalk. You contact the broker. IF my points are sitting there (unlikely since there are far more people who want to rent at the Boardwalk than owners who aren't going to use their points - more likely if you are wanting to rent SSR, VAKL or OKW), the broker checks for availability, then contacts me to make the reservation.

Far more likely with BWV is you will make your request and go into some sort of queue. When I contact the broker, if my points and use year are a good match for your request (and they might not be - I want to make one reservation for as close to the 150 points I have as possible and the reservation has to fit within the confines of my use year - if you want 80 points or 152 points or if your reservation is after my points expire, you are not a good match for me), the broker will 1) check for availability and 2) get back to me with "can you make this reservation." At this point, I may have left my computer and not return to check my email for hours - or days. I may look at your reservation and answer with "I want a different fit" (personally, I will not make rental reservations at BWV from Food and Wine through mid-January - too many owners want that time of year and my points rent fine for the same amount of money in August or March - I like to do my fellow members a solid in this respect - I'd also never take a Grand Villa away from members - or book a standard view studio - I think owning points should get some privileges - and as I said, I can rent my points out for a preferred view studio in March without a problem). During this time, the reservation that you are looking for may disappear. It is impossible for anyone - member, broker - outside of Disney staff to have any idea how many rooms are available when they look for availability.

Where the supply demand curve favors renters a little more (i.e. SSR, VAKL, OKW) you may have a little more flexibility - you'll get your room with more certainty and faster. But BWV owners, as well as BCV, Poly, VGF, BLT - we can be really picky in waiting for the right rental request to come through. And from your end, you'll have no idea what makes the request right (its number of points and use year, and that is going to vary for every owner that contacts the broker).

 

[Lauraswi]

Wow okay thanks for the great info! Looks to me like bwv is not going to be a possibility. I don’t even know why they even bother putting me on the waiting list. I hope I’ll have some luck for the poly in October 2020 if I try a year ahead but I don’t feel very hopeful! Also, what is run Disney?

 

[Lauraswi]

One more thing, do you think I’ll have any luck finding someone to rent from on here? Or should I just give it up?

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Wow okay thanks for the great info! Looks to me like bwv is not going to be a possibility. I don’t even know why they even bother putting me on the waiting list. I hope I’ll have some luck for the poly in October 2020 if I try a year ahead but I don’t feel very hopeful! Also, what is run Disney?

You’d have luck for other times during Feb. Its just that one race weekend. Run Disney operates the various marathon and half marathons at WDW. Jan is the Marathon. Feb is the Princess half. April is the Star Wars half. Nov is the Wine and Dine half.

If your time does not include that 3rd weekend then what I think the broker meant is that they didn’t have an owner with points to rent so you are on a waitlist until someone does want to rent BWV points. If that’s the case then yes, finding an owner here with points would work.

 

[Chuck S]

For the dates of all those marathons and runs scheduled check out rundisney.com

If you decide to rent on our boards, be sure to read the posting rules in the sticky threads at the top of the rent trade board.

 

[crisi]

Wow okay thanks for the great info! Looks to me like bwv is not going to be a possibility. I don’t even know why they even bother putting me on the waiting list. I hope I’ll have some luck for the poly in October 2020 if I try a year ahead but I don’t feel very hopeful! Also, what is run Disney?

Because your reservation is for February (as long as it isn't a RunDisney weekend), the broker is hoping that an owner of BWV will match between now and the seven month window - or that at the seven month window, rooms will be open and stay open for long enough for a non-BWV owner to make the reservation. I don't think the chances of either of these are great, but they are both still possible.

 

[Afabena]

I rented points through a broker for an upcoming trip in Nov 2019. I needed a 2 bedroom or 2 studios. I reached out about 2 weeks before the 11 month window with my details and they put me on a list to check at the 11month date. I was looking to book BLT or BCV. The standard view at BLT was gone the morning of but there was still availability for a BLT 2 bedroom lake view. They told me the queue for BCV was much much longer than BLT and I would probably have better luck waiting for BLT. Even tho there was availability there were no owners with enough points to rent from at 11 months but they put me on a list and about a month later the reservation came through. They also gave me a list of other resorts where they had the points already from owners and there was availability but we decided to wait and see what happened with BLT. I also asked about 2 studios but they said they would also need an owner with enough points for 2 studios because they would keep both studios with the same owner. Hope that helps! Good luck

 

[laura-k]

I am always able to get a 14 days lake view at 11 months at BLT
it takes 2 calls though -
Whats really been getting harder is BCV studio at 7 Months
I think I need to find a BCV owner that likes to also spit stay to trade with -