Rental Rates/Concerns

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Dean
I found the old Prodigy board quite tedious. The standard answer form a number on that BBS was "if you don't like it, sell". One of the pluses was Craig Urbine participating. Craig was a VP at II for years until he very recently left the company. He was quite a stand up guy.

I loved the old P.Classic board. I do remember the "if you don't like it sell it" line, but, really only found it after someone had whined about something forever.
Who were you on the Prod board?
Do you remember Clarry?

 

[jaysue]

Originally posted by anniet
Isn't that the truth- the blame belongs squarely on the person who reserves a Christmas through New Years reservation and blocks another DVC member from a room while gouging a poor unsuspecting renter of $14.50 per point!

Agreed anniet - I do not want to go further with this one for reasons best known by some of us.....


cheers
jaysue

 

[MELSMICE]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
It was a horrible thread. The min. was 230 points in the beginnig.
That is what I purchased, but, was delighted when they dropped the minimum, that way it opened the door to others to enjoy.

You are absolutely right, Gail. It should be enjoyed by as many people as possible.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
I loved the old P.Classic board. I do remember the "if you don't like it sell it" line, but, really only found it after someone had whined about something forever.
Who were you on the Prod board?
Do you remember Clarry?

I'm afraid I don't remember any screen names. I just remember a horible person who lived in Jacksonville and loved to spout out the "if you don't like it, sell" line. Plus Craig's participation.

My guess is those who were in awe of DVC would have enjoyed the board and those who were a little more skepticle would not. It was a little like the DVCtalk email list where almost no one wants to hear anything negative and tend to take it personally.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Dean
I'm afraid I don't remember any screen names. I just remember a horible person who lived in Jacksonville and loved to spout out the "if you don't like it, sell" line. Plus Craig's participation.

My guess is those who were in awe of DVC would have enjoyed the board and those who were a little more skepticle would not. It was a little like the DVCtalk email list where almost no one wants to hear anything negative and tend to take it personally.

I know the Jacksonville person, personally, even. He could be a bit rough. Not sure who Craig was.

I liked the board for more than just DVC talk, just like here.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
I know the Jacksonville person, personally, even. He could be a bit rough. Not sure who Craig was.

I liked the board for more than just DVC talk, just like here.

I don't recall Craig's BBS name but he was an II VP (Customer Service) for well over 10 years. He recently left II, within the last 4-5 months. Remember this was during 94-95 when DVC had just changed from RCI to II. He did participate in the DVC BBS and was very helpful in explaining how the exchange system worked at the time.

I guess I was a little nieve about DVC at the time but what sticks in my mind about the Prodigy board was that one could not question or disagree with anything Disney or DVC did in ANY way without getting flamed. While that happens a little on this board and some people are a little defensive at times, it does not compare to the Prodigy BBS IMO.

 

[manning]

Supporting a rule that would dictate how people can use THEIR property?

I've only read two pages of this post. My thought is how the heck would you enforce that rule. It would be a total nightmare.

 

[OneMoreTry]

No matter what someone creates for good, people will ruin by turning to their own selfish ends. It's human nature. That's why WDW has so many rules it's basically totalitarian -- to keep people from ruining it totally.

There are some things Disney or DVC can't control. This points rental is one of them.

Another is the pin collecting carp. A few people check the pin site every day and head over to scoop up the limited editions. They will ask dozens of people to buy pins for them at 8.50 (you can only buy 2 LE's yourself) and then sell them on Ebay for huge amounts.

Last week an LE sold at the resort I was staying at sold out in 2 hours because of a few people. If you're interested check out my post on "Pinmongers" on the collector's board.

Just remind yourself.

"Fret not because of evildoers..." Psalm 37. They will always be around.

 

[pumpkinboy]

Originally posted by OneMoreTry
...Another is the pin collecting carp. ...

Lord, save us all from the fearsome pin collecting Carp! That is one big ornery fish! Is it in Bay Lake, or perhaps the canals that run from MGM to Epcot?

I always enjoy the images created by letter inversion (of which I am also guilty).

I am also a fan of the 37th Psalm, OneMoreTry. Thx for bringing it to mind! I was thinking more of a later verse:

Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
do not fret-it leads only to evil.

but the first one works great too.

 

[CarolAnnC]

Let's keep this on topic please. We are discussing DVC owners who rent out their points. Thank you.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by OneMoreTry
No matter what someone creates for good, people will ruin by turning to their own selfish ends. It's human nature. That's why WDW has so many rules it's basically totalitarian -- to keep people from ruining it totally.

I bought DVC for my family and I'm sure you did for yours. Everyone should use it for what they see fit within the rules and laws that are applicable. What one may see as selfish, another sees as normal and expected.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Dean
...Everyone should use it for what they see fit within the rules and laws that are applicable. What one may see as selfish, another sees as normal and expected.

Sorry, but using DVC as a for profit business by renting out high demand weeks through auction services should not be a part of DVC just because some who abuse the system see fit and can use some loop holes and reluctance for the board to be more restrictive. The degree to which the Board decides to enforce the commercial use clause may increase if the abuse also increases.

 

[Johnnie Fedora]

Since I've been a member, I've never booked Xmas week. I've always stayed at other times. If one year, I decide to book that week and rent it out, why shouldn't I be able to. As a member don't I deserve my small share of the premium season to use as I see fit? I wouldn't do this every year, but I'm really on the fence with the whole renting out of premium weeks. I see both sides. Unless you have a rotary phone everyone has the same booking opportunities.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Desperado
Sorry, but using DVC as a for profit business by renting out high demand weeks through auction services should not be a part of DVC just because some who abuse the system see fit and can use some loop holes and reluctance for the board to be more restrictive. The degree to which the Board decides to enforce the commercial use clause may increase if the abuse also increases.

Your opinion on the proper use and YOUR definition of "profit business". Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong or inappropriate. By the same token, just because something is within the rules and legal, doesn't make any member have to like it. Many members apparently bought into DVC with certain assumptions, some of which are obviously wrong.

 

[Bugeye]

OK, here's the deal. There are those who hate the idea of people renting out their points and there are those who find it perfectly legit. No logic, argument, whining or voice from beyond is going to convince anyone to switch teams. Period!

 

[Happy Birthday Cat]

Originally posted by Bugeye
OK, here's the deal. There are those who hate the idea of people renting out their points and there are those who find it perfectly legit. No logic, argument, whining or voice from beyond is going to convince anyone to switch teams. Period!

Actually a "voice from beyond" would get me to change my mind. But that's about it.

HBC

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Dean
Your opinion on the proper use and YOUR definition of "profit business". Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong or inappropriate. By the same token, just because something is within the rules and legal, doesn't make any member have to like it. Many members apparently bought into DVC with certain assumptions, some of which are obviously wrong.

As we both know, my definition was also checked with a lawyer who agrees that for-profit renting of point by auctioning off prime weeks thru an auction site falls within commercial use. If the board decides to enforce the clause, these practices will be limited. You may not like it and attempt to rationalize it, or bend the rules to the make them apply, or enjoy the current loopholes. But we both know from previous discussions this goes well beyond just "my" opinion. Given awareness of this past discussion, it is disingenuous and not forthright to indicate otherwise in this thread.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Desperado
As we both know, my definition was also checked with a lawyer who agrees that for-profit renting of point by auctioning off prime weeks thru an auction site falls within commercial use. If the board decides to enforce the clause, these practices will be limited. You may not like it and attempt to rationalize it, or bend the rules to the make them apply, or enjoy the current loopholes. But we both know from previous discussions this goes well beyond just "my" opinion. Given awareness of this past discussion, it is disingenuous and not forthright to indicate otherwise in this thread.

I too have disscussed with 3 different lawyers in the state of FL, which are far more aspplicable opinions but still just opinions. It still remains your opinion as you posted in the second post above then qualified in you're last post. You are entitled to your opinion which you are obviously entitled to as I am mine. I do know there are others that share your opinions just as there are others that share different variations, some more and some less restrictive. But just beecause someone agrees doesn't make it right, or wrong for that matter.

The fact remains that DVC does NOT have a defintion of "Commercail use" and that is part of the problem. It means different things ot different people, including lawyers who can rarely agre on anything anyway. And IMO, any commercial use restrictions would have to apply to all parties renting at DVC, also checked with those 3 FL lawyers who agree. I'm no sure that you and I would have that different a definition of "commercial use" but we obviously have a different view of what's legal and enforceable.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Dean
I too have disscussed with 3 different lawyers in the state of FL, which are far more aspplicable opinions but still just opinions. It still remains your opinion as you posted in the second post above then qualified in you're last post. You are entitled to your opinion which you are obviously entitled to as I am mine. I do know there are others that share your opinions just as there are others that share different variations, some more and some less restrictive. But just beecause someone agrees doesn't make it right, or wrong for that matter.

The fact remains that DVC does NOT have a defintion of "Commercail use" and that is part of the problem. It means different things ot different people, including lawyers who can rarely agre on anything anyway. And IMO, any commercial use restrictions would have to apply to all parties renting at DVC, also checked with those 3 FL lawyers who agree. I'm no sure that you and I would have that different a definition of "commercial use" but we obviously have a different view of what's legal and enforceable.

That's all well and good and a more reasonble post than your earlier one, my contention is with your erroneous statements:

Originally posted by Dean
Your opinion on the proper use and YOUR definition of "profit business". Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong or inappropriate. By the same token, just because something is within the rules and legal, doesn't make any member have to like it. Many members apparently bought into DVC with certain assumptions, some of which are obviously wrong.

While I agree that you and I have a different definition of "commercial use" and we obviously have a different view of what's legal and enforceable, that does not make the statement "certain assumptions, some of which are obviously wrong" valid. Your statement "But just beecause someone agrees doesn't make it right, or wrong for that matter" is much more accurate on this matter. Thank you for the restatement.

 

[mdlinda1]

If low weekend renting is a problem, then DVC should reduce the number of points required. It was my understanding that the points for weekend were higher due to the demand. When we bought into DVC our guide promoted the lower weekday points as" a practial way of using your points". So the idea of using weekday points more often was introduced when we bought into DVC. I don't know if anyone had the same experience?