Religion?

[AliceinHalloweentown]

the earth is much older than sixty four million years... the earth has been through more than a dozen ice ages, and a dozen warming periods. the earth is not falling apart. that is simply humans thinking that we are much less inferior than we truely are.
humans have been alive for almost a million years, which is a little more than a minute if we were to convert the time that the earth has been around to a 24 hour clock.
505 million years ago, the first invertebrate organisms formed. there is more to life on earth than just our few years on this planet.

That's very cool
Thanks for the information =D

 

[HouseMD1120]

Carbon 14 dating is where you are getting this info about how old the earth is, right? Explain this:

Dr. Willard Libby, the founder of the carbon-14 dating method, assumed that the earth started out with no carbon-14. His reasoning was based on a belief in evolution, which assumes the earth must be billions of years old. Assumptions in the scientific community are extremely important. If the starting assumption is false, all the calculations based on that assumption might be correct but still give a wrong conclusion.
In Dr. Libby’s original work, he noted that the atmosphere did not appear to be in equilibrium. This was a troubling idea for Dr. Libby since he believed the world was billions of years old and enough time had passed to achieve equilibrium. Dr. Libby’s calculations showed that if the earth started with no 14C in the atmosphere, it would take up to 30,000 years to build up to a steady state (equilibrium).
If the cosmic radiation has remained at its present intensity for 20,000 or 30,000 years, and if the carbon reservoir has not changed appreciably in this time, then there exists at the present time a complete balance between the rate of disintegration of radiocarbon atoms and the rate of assimilation of new radiocarbon atoms for all material in the life-cycle.2
Dr. Libby chose to ignore this discrepancy (nonequilibrium state), and he attributed it to experimental error. However, the discrepancy has turned out to be very real. The ratio of 14C /12C is not constant.
The Specific Production Rate (SPR) of C-14 is known to be 18.8 atoms per gram of total carbon per minute. The Specific Decay Rate (SDR) is known to be only 16.1 disintegrations per gram per minute.3
What does this mean? If it takes about 30,000 years to reach equilibrium and 14C is still out of equilibrium, then maybe the earth is not very old.

 

[Sparx]

Carbon 14 dating is where you are getting this info about how old the earth is, right? Explain this:

Dr. Willard Libby, the founder of the carbon-14 dating method, assumed that the earth started out with no carbon-14. His reasoning was based on a belief in evolution, which assumes the earth must be billions of years old. Assumptions in the scientific community are extremely important. If the starting assumption is false, all the calculations based on that assumption might be correct but still give a wrong conclusion.
In Dr. Libby’s original work, he noted that the atmosphere did not appear to be in equilibrium. This was a troubling idea for Dr. Libby since he believed the world was billions of years old and enough time had passed to achieve equilibrium. Dr. Libby’s calculations showed that if the earth started with no 14C in the atmosphere, it would take up to 30,000 years to build up to a steady state (equilibrium).
If the cosmic radiation has remained at its present intensity for 20,000 or 30,000 years, and if the carbon reservoir has not changed appreciably in this time, then there exists at the present time a complete balance between the rate of disintegration of radiocarbon atoms and the rate of assimilation of new radiocarbon atoms for all material in the life-cycle.2
Dr. Libby chose to ignore this discrepancy (nonequilibrium state), and he attributed it to experimental error. However, the discrepancy has turned out to be very real. The ratio of 14C /12C is not constant.
The Specific Production Rate (SPR) of C-14 is known to be 18.8 atoms per gram of total carbon per minute. The Specific Decay Rate (SDR) is known to be only 16.1 disintegrations per gram per minute.3
What does this mean? If it takes about 30,000 years to reach equilibrium and 14C is still out of equilibrium, then maybe the earth is not very old.

perhaps if you would like to honestly discuss this with me, you could do it with your own knowledge and opinions instead of directly copying and pasting from a religiously bias website that proposes that genesis can disprove carbon 14 dating.

by the way, carbon 14 is merely one way to radiometric date.
there is also uranium-lead, chlorine-36, potassium-argon, fission track, and samarium-neodymium just to name a few of the methods that have been used to, in fact, prove that carbon 14 is accurate and that hte earth is 4.5 billion years old.

carbon 14 is argued by people who don't understand chemistry and cannot spell radiometric, let alone explain to me what it is or how it is done.

or perhaps you would like to copy and past that one too? try a less bias website next time, if you want real information.

edit to add:
i figured i'd answer your proposal.
the argument is okay, i suppose, but its flaw is early on. it left human life out of the equation. how much gas do you think has been added to this atmosphere in our million years? that's enough to mess with the equilibrium and alter the experiment that the website preformed.

real scientific evidence has taken into account environmental variables and the scientific community around the world agrees that the earth is 4.5 billion years old with the first life appearing 505 million years ago, and the dinosaurs dying out 65 million years ago, and human's becoming a dominant species (rather than prey) 1 million years ago.

 

[HouseMD1120]

That wasn't copy and paste. I'm glad to know that you think that you are superior to me intellectually, because most people don't assume that they are smarter that everybody else based on one argument. And I know chemistry, so don't think for one minute that I don't know what I'm talking about. College level classes. And who doesn't know how to spell radiometric???

And next time, I may choose to copy and paste, because people who actually have scientific experience in this may know more than high schoolers, regardless of how smart they think they are.

 

[Sparx]

That wasn't copy and paste. I'm glad to know that you think that you are superior to me intellectually, because most people don't assume that they are smarter that everybody else based on one argument. And I know chemistry, so don't think for one minute that I don't know what I'm talking about. College level classes. And who doesn't know how to spell radiometric???

And next time, I may choose to copy and paste, because people who actually have scientific experience in this may know more than high schoolers, regardless of how smart they think they are.

Dr. Willard Libby, the founder of the carbon-14 dating method, assumed this ratio to be constant. His reasoning was based on a belief in evolution, which assumes the earth must be billions of years old. Assumptions in the scientific community are extremely important. If the starting assumption is false, all the calculations based on that assumption might be correct but still give a wrong conclusion.

In Dr. Libby’s original work, he noted that the atmosphere did not appear to be in equilibrium. This was a troubling idea for Dr. Libby since he believed the world was billions of years old and enough time had passed to achieve equilibrium. Dr. Libby’s calculations showed that if the earth started with no 14C in the atmosphere, it would take up to 30,000 years to build up to a steady state (equilibrium).

If the cosmic radiation has remained at its present intensity for 20,000 or 30,000 years, and if the carbon reservoir has not changed appreciably in this time, then there exists at the present time a complete balance between the rate of disintegration of radiocarbon atoms and the rate of assimilation of new radiocarbon atoms for all material in the life-cycle.2

Dr. Libby chose to ignore this discrepancy (nonequilibrium state), and he attributed it to experimental error. However, the discrepancy has turned out to be very real. The ratio of 14C /12C is not constant.

The Specific Production Rate (SPR) of C-14 is known to be 18.8 atoms per gram of total carbon per minute. The Specific Decay Rate (SDR) is known to be only 16.1 disintegrations per gram per minute.3

What does this mean? If it takes about 30,000 years to reach equilibrium and 14C is still out of equilibrium, then maybe the earth is not very old.

Dr. Willard Libby, the founder of the carbon-14 dating method, assumed that the earth started out with no carbon-14. His reasoning was based on a belief in evolution, which assumes the earth must be billions of years old. Assumptions in the scientific community are extremely important. If the starting assumption is false, all the calculations based on that assumption might be correct but still give a wrong conclusion.
In Dr. Libby’s original work, he noted that the atmosphere did not appear to be in equilibrium. This was a troubling idea for Dr. Libby since he believed the world was billions of years old and enough time had passed to achieve equilibrium. Dr. Libby’s calculations showed that if the earth started with no 14C in the atmosphere, it would take up to 30,000 years to build up to a steady state (equilibrium).
If the cosmic radiation has remained at its present intensity for 20,000 or 30,000 years, and if the carbon reservoir has not changed appreciably in this time, then there exists at the present time a complete balance between the rate of disintegration of radiocarbon atoms and the rate of assimilation of new radiocarbon atoms for all material in the life-cycle.2
Dr. Libby chose to ignore this discrepancy (nonequilibrium state), and he attributed it to experimental error. However, the discrepancy has turned out to be very real. The ratio of 14C /12C is not constant.
The Specific Production Rate (SPR) of C-14 is known to be 18.8 atoms per gram of total carbon per minute. The Specific Decay Rate (SDR) is known to be only 16.1 disintegrations per gram per minute.3
What does this mean? If it takes about 30,000 years to reach equilibrium and 14C is still out of equilibrium, then maybe the earth is not very old.

lol. freaky coincidence if you didn't copy and paste.

 

[PurpleDucky]

lol. freaky coincidence if you didn't copy and paste.

Pwned.

 

[PurpleDucky]

But does a city have to mean, you know, a city? Or is it more of a community?

I don't know, I just always take the science side on this for some reason... I believe God created the Universe, and with it created Earth, and with it created yadadya everything else. But I also believe he created evolution as weird as it sounds.

I take the Bible with a big grain of salt too... and I've had Christian Scriptures, and am currently in Hebrew Scriptures. For the NT and OT.

Humans and animals have evolved throughout the years. I agree with that.

 

[disneydance]

Animals and man were created on the first day of creation. (See the beginning of Genesis). So if dinos were real, humans and man coexisted. Its possible that they were wiped out just before the flood. Although, in the book of Jonah, most people say Jonah was swallowed by a whale. It doesn't ever say that in the Bible. It's possible that it was a water dino.

But I thought dinosaurs were here before men
So now dinosaurs are creature of the water wow I'm confused

 

[AmandaSparks730]

But I thought dinosaurs were here before men
So now dinosaurs are creature of the water wow I'm confused

Dinos WERE here before man.

An asteroid wiped them out. End of story.

All the religious nonsense in the Bible is just made-up stories to "explain" things that science was fuzzy about, or that was unknown at the time.

(I'm gonna get bassssshhhhed for this, I know)

 

[marypops!]

I know a very religious person who has a degree in Physics. She believes that the story of Genesis could be taken that the days weren't continuous. You could put the days to certain periods of time as well, such as when God created light, that was when the Big Bang happened.

 

[imabrat]

Bash me, I have my flame suit on.


I don't understand HOW people can believe the world is only 6,000 years old. (At least, I think that was it?) It was on the Duggars show the other day, they visited a museum that showed humans wandering the Earth with dinosaurs.


Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this whole "Dinosaurs lived before humans, became extinct by an asteroid, human appear" thing fact? Why would people argue with fact? It frustrates me.

 

[disneydance]

Dinos WERE here before man.

An asteroid wiped them out. End of story.

All the religious nonsense in the Bible is just made-up stories to "explain" things that science was fuzzy about, or that was unknown at the time.

(I'm gonna get bassssshhhhed for this, I know)

I was informed that they hadnt found a full dino skeloton can someone clarify this to me?

 

[disneydance]

Bash me, I have my flame suit on.


I don't understand HOW people can believe the world is only 6,000 years old. (At least, I think that was it?) It was on the Duggars show the other day, they visited a museum that showed humans wandering the Earth with dinosaurs.


Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this whole "Dinosaurs lived before humans, became extinct by an asteroid, human appear" thing fact? Why would people argue with fact? It frustrates me.

This is one of the things that is peiving me off about this religion thing
I thought dinosaurs came before humans
I'm hearing at school the earths been around for millions of years then I go to church and hear another story
Gosh I hope life groups arent cancelled tonight (todays a snow day)
I want to hear the spill I think I'm going to print out this thread
Am I supposed to believe that radioactive and carbon dating or incorrect or something?

 

[princesskelz]

i am babtist
i have been babtised
and i still believe that Jesus was born on christmas
enough said

 

[imabrat]

i am babtist
i have been babtised
and i still believe that Jesus was born on christmas
enough said

You mean Baptist and Baptized?

 

[JulielovesDisney]

I believe that the earth is as old as science says it is, I believe in evolution, and I believe that dinosaurs existed before humans. I wish that science and religion could just along.
I believe that God created the universe Himself, but he allowed evolution to happen. He felt it was necessary for His world.
I also believe that it doesn't matter what you did during your life, everyone goes to heaven. I feel it's very hypocritical for any god to create it's beings to be "not perfect" then punish them for doing what they are basically designed to do.
I was baptized and confirmed as a Lutheran, and I still am a Lutheran. I just feel that a few things that the church preaches aren't right. I am religious, I pray every night, I pray when I need guidance and I pray when I don't know what to do. I believe in heaven, but I don't believe in hell. I believe there is a devil, but he has no power over us in the end.

That's basically my beliefs, in the cliff notes version.

 

[princesskelz]

You mean Baptist and Baptized?

yeah im the worlds worst speller sorry

 

[nickkevingirl93]

I'm a Christian~ and I accepted Christ when I was five years old.

 

[nickkevingirl93]

Oh, and I'm a Brethren, kind of like Baptist.

 

[BabyPiglet]

Atheist, but like others, I find different religions fascinating.