Religion.

but then where did God come from? everything has to come from something,right?
apologies if i sound stupid,i never finished CCD.


my teacher told me when we die that was it,we just float in space.no heaven no hell.freaked me out at age 6 so much i had to quit CCD.

ahhh yes, circular reasoning, I hate that.
I do not have an answer for that.
Simply because, I'm dumb, I don't know how this world came to be, I don't know how we came to be, I won't let all these theories convince me they are real. I'll stick with not knowing anything.
 
Well, who's to say God dindn't cause the Big Bang? Who's to say God WASN'T the Big Bang?

Evolutionists don't believe in God, so that wouldn't work for the Big Bang theory.
Unless of course you call yourself a theistic evolutionist.
 
OT - but did you hear about the teen who died because her parents refused medical services. I think she had some kind of side effect from diabetes and the parents thought a prayer would save her. she ended up dead.

I didn't hear of that specific case, but I've heard of similar things. So sad and so unnecessary for those people to die.
 
XD, you're the only one who knew that :p

;)

"A retard fish went on to have more retard babies and then one day a retard baby fish crawled out of the ocean with its mutant fish hands and it had butt sex with a squirrel or something and made this retard-frog-squirrel and then that had a retard baby that was a monkey-fish-frog and then this monkey-fish-frog had butt sex with that monkey and that monkey had a mutant retard baby that screwed another monkey and that made you.

So there you go, you're the ******** offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a fish squirrel... Congratulations!"

Omg what a great episode. :laughing:
 

;)

"A retard fish went on to have more retard babies and then one day a retard baby fish crawled out of the ocean with its mutant fish hands and it had butt sex with a squirrel or something and made this retard-frog-squirrel and then that had a retard baby that was a monkey-fish-frog and then this monkey-fish-frog had butt sex with that monkey and that monkey had a mutant retard baby that screwed another monkey and that made you.

So there you go, you're the ******** offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a fish squirrel... Congratulations!"

Omg what a great episode. :laughing:

Annd that's evolution in a nutshell for ya :rolleyes:
I do agree, that episode was hilarious
 
How do you think it's possible? Something can't appear out of nothing, we aren't magical.
And I can't fathom that there's a magical man in the sky waiting for me with open arms when I die. Sorry if that sounded demeaning or something.

I guess I'm just to analytical. I believe what the scientists tell me, it just makes sense to me. You believe what the bible tells you, and that's great.

We just don't think the same way.
 
And I can't fathom that there's a magical man in the sky waiting for me with open arms when I die. Sorry if that sounded demeaning or something.

I guess I'm just to analytical. I believe what the scientists tell me, it just makes sense to me. You believe what the bible tells you, and that's great.

We just don't think the same way.

Haha, I'm not sure I believe either.
I'm a seeing is believing kind of person I guess.
 
i do believe that evolution is happening.... and the big bang theory.. but like desan said, my takes is that something of a higher being had to have put everything there first, before all of the reactions could occur... because afterall.. where did matter in space even come from? there had to be a beginning somewhere... which is where the theory of god is probably strongest..

however, i do think evolution is very real... yes... we are decendants of retard fish monkey things haha... if you look at the cellular and physical anatomy in order of least complex animals to more complex animals, you can clearly see that each line of species gains some type of functioning part, that are like ours... for example.. examine the breathing systems:

fish- gills let water move into the fishes body and diffuse oxygen into their blood stream

frogs - they breath through their skin.. and have signs of a under-developed lungs... although they still need water, the skin breathing and mini lung lets them be outside of water for longer periods of time .. this is important because being on land means that they have more food sources

reptiles - they have 2 and 3 chambered hearts and a lung... this eliminates the need of free water to get oxygen into their blood stream, letting them be land dwellers.. the heart works in conjunction with the lung.. the lung gets oxygen, and the heart pumps the oxygen through the blood streams... again, much more efficient for feeding purposes on land

birds and humans - 4 chambered hearts... this gives total separation of oxygenated blood and deoxygenated blood - meaning that our bodies are much more efficient and quick at getting the oxygen where it needs to be


... the respiratory system gets more complex from lower species to higher species... that has to be a sign of evolution, because each increase in complexity is a step towards a better survival rate.. plus you can just look at embroys.. our embryos are very similar in structure as fish...

and fish arent evolving into humans today because they are no longer the dominant life form... when they were, they did evolve.. but humans are now the dominant life form.. and we are indeed evolving.. like someone said, people are getting taller every day... plus you will never be able to see evolution with your eyes.. the changes are extremely gradual... it takes millions of years for a change to occur
 
Haha, I'm not sure I believe either.
I'm a seeing is believing kind of person I guess.
I think how we got here is very confusing if we don't strongly believe in something.

It's like 'What came first, the chicken or the egg?' and you can go back and forth and back and forth and never make any progress.
 
Jake, sooo are you kinda saying that fish ruled the earth at some point..
And that doesn't make sense to me...what's stopping them from evolving..?
 
I think how we got here is very confusing if we don't strongly believe in something.

It's like 'What came first, the chicken or the egg?' and you can go back and forth and back and forth and never make any progress.



Yeah, I think it was the chicken..
 
Evolutionists don't believe in God, so that wouldn't work for the Big Bang theory.
Unless of course you call yourself a theistic evolutionist.

I believe in evolution, but I think something might have helped it along?

Bah, I seriously don't know, my beliefs are, never have been, and probably never will be set in stone.

Just like, I really HOPE there's an afterlife because I don't want to die and never come back or never live on. It seems very scary to just die and that's it, but it also seems pretty reasonable. My 'beliefs' are more of just hopes.

Evolution seems to be true, so I believe it, and until science says otherwise, I will believe it. THAT is one thing that's not a hope, my belief in evolution.

And this is just a little rant, I remember hearing this one group of kids at the beginning of the school year saying 'wow how stupid must you be to think people are ANIMALS? Hardy har har'. I butted in and said 'So if we're not animals, are we plants? Fungi? Protists?'

'No we're people hurrr'. Said the confused ones. I said 'Yes, and people are animals.'. Then they went on to say 'no we're mammals!!'. :sad2:
 
Jake, sooo are you kinda saying that fish ruled the earth at some point..
And that doesn't make sense to me...what's stopping them from evolving..?

yes... in a very early time, all there was were fish and bacteria... and they did not necessarily stop evolving.. its just that they are not in any real danger anymore... heres how evolution works in simplified terms:

say there are many animals in a region of land.... they are frolicking in a well vegetated field, and are some happy mofos... and suddenly, there is a serious drought.. all the grass dies.. and the only source of food are the remaining leaves on the trees... therefore, any animal that cant reach the trees will die of starvation.. the animals that can reach the trees will survive, and reproduce.. they will pass their tall genes on to their kids... the short gene will die with all the short animals.. therefore, over time, the whole species of animals in that region of land, will be taller as a result...

as you can see, it is very gradual... and usually, there has to be some type of catastrophe for evolution to really set in full swing... hence why the really really different looking animals are in times of disaster... animals in the jurrassic are very different from animals in the ice age... which are very different from animals now....


there is no real danger to fish now, so thats why they arent changing much.. but i suspect that once the whole global warming thing comes full swing, and a lot of things start to die, there will be monumental changes in species
 
yes... in a very early time, all there was were fish and bacteria... and they did not necessarily stop evolving.. its just that they are not in any real danger anymore... heres how evolution works in simplified terms:

say there are many animals in a region of land.... they are frolicking in a well vegetated field, and are some happy mofos... and suddenly, there is a serious drought.. all the grass dies.. and the only source of food are the remaining leaves on the trees... therefore, any animal that cant reach the trees will die of starvation.. the animals that can reach the trees will survive, and reproduce.. they will pass their tall genes on to their kids... the short gene will die with all the short animals.. therefore, over time, the whole species of animals in that region of land, will be taller as a result...

as you can see, it is very gradual... and usually, there has to be some type of catastrophe for evolution to really set in full swing... hence why the really really different looking animals are in times of disaster... animals in the jurrassic are very different from animals in the ice age... which are very different from animals now....


there is no real danger to fish now, so thats why they arent changing much.. but i suspect that once the whole global warming thing comes full swing, and a lot of things start to die, there will be monumental changes in species

if there were a sudden drought, the lakes dried up, the fish wouldn't evolve, they would die. So how come they could evolve back then when the environment changed?
 
fish never came back.. they were never extinct... the ocean never dried up now did it :P
 
I find that when most people say they do not believe in evolution, they often demonstrate a poor understanding of the mecanics of it at best. So I'm just going to try to post a simplified version of evolution.

Evolution occurs when a population of a species develops a trait/traits that separate it from it's parent species. Evolution is an ongoing process, not just a *insert animal here* turns into an *insert animal here*.

The basic mechanics of it are that a parent has offspring by some form of eproduction, and one of it's offspring has a genetic mutation that is beneficial (genetic mutations can be beneficial, harmfull or, usually, are not even noticable and make no difference to the survival of the individual), and helps that individual to survive (or in some cases help the group to survive) and make more babies. The more offspring an organism has, the more likely it is that the gene that was beneficial is passed on to more and more individuals in a population.

Lets say there is a species of, say, Ramlehorns. The original population of ramblehorns has 3 horns. Some of the population finds itself in a new environment that is much drier than it's original environment. Since horns take up a lot of resourses to grow, the animals are worse off because of the decrease in vegitation in their new environment, where before three horns were a boon in that they attracted mates. However, one individual has a genetic mutation that causes it to have no horns. The resources (food, water) that would've gone to the horns are now free to help the individual survive and, wait for it, make more bebehs. These offspring also have the mutation, and are also more sucsessful at producing offspring. Eventually, the whole population has no horns. After thousands of years, and other genetic mutations that helped reproduction/survival like shorter coats, larger ears, better water retention, the split off population of ramblehorns is no longer able to reproduce with it's parent species. It is now it's own species, lets call them ramblers. There you have it, evolution.

With millions of years of constant evironmental pressures the variaty we see in todays biodiversity is hardly supprising.

Just to clear up a few misconceptions about evolution:

Evolution =/= abiogenisis.
Evolution =/= the big bang. Evolution is a biological process that is well observed, understood, and as close to proved as can be in science. Asking evolution to answer to the big bang is like asking gravity to explain where matter came from.

Theory in science does NOT mean the same thing a theory in everyday speech. To become a theory needs loads of evidence, and is as close to proven as can get. A theory, as people normally use the term, is more like a hypothesis in science.

Darwin never renounced his theory, and the theory of evolution did not end with Darwin, research still continues. (Scientific theories like evolution or gravity, which is also a theory, are under constant scrutinization by many people.)

Many theists can and do believe in evolution.
Not all atheists believe in evolution.

There, I hope that helps out. If anyone has any further questions about evolution, or if I missed anything in there, just ask. My internet turns off in a few minuites, but I'll be back tomorrow.
 
I find that when most people say they do not believe in evolution, they often demonstrate a poor understanding of the mecanics of it at best. So I'm just going to try to post a simplified version of evolution.

Evolution occurs when a population of a species develops a trait/traits that separate it from it's parent species. Evolution is an ongoing process, not just a *insert animal here* turns into an *insert animal here*.

The basic mechanics of it are that a parent has offspring by some form of eproduction, and one of it's offspring has a genetic mutation that is beneficial (genetic mutations can be beneficial, harmfull or, usually, are not even noticable and make no difference to the survival of the individual), and helps that individual to survive (or in some cases help the group to survive) and make more babies. The more offspring an organism has, the more likely it is that the gene that was beneficial is passed on to more and more individuals in a population.

Lets say there is a species of, say, Ramlehorns. The original population of ramblehorns has 3 horns. Some of the population finds itself in a new environment that is much drier than it's original environment. Since horns take up a lot of resourses to grow, the animals are worse off because of the decrease in vegitation in their new environment, where before three horns were a boon in that they attracted mates. However, one individual has a genetic mutation that causes it to have no horns. The resources (food, water) that would've gone to the horns are now free to help the individual survive and, wait for it, make more bebehs. These offspring also have the mutation, and are also more sucsessful at producing offspring. Eventually, the whole population has no horns. After thousands of years, and other genetic mutations that helped reproduction/survival like shorter coats, larger ears, better water retention, the split off population of ramblehorns is no longer able to reproduce with it's parent species. It is now it's own species, lets call them ramblers. There you have it, evolution.

With millions of years of constant evironmental pressures the variaty we see in todays biodiversity is hardly supprising.

Just to clear up a few misconceptions about evolution:

Evolution =/= abiogenisis.
Evolution =/= the big bang. Evolution is a biological process that is well observed, understood, and as close to proved as can be in science. Asking evolution to answer to the big bang is like asking gravity to explain where matter came from.

Theory in science does NOT mean the same thing a theory in everyday speech. To become a theory needs loads of evidence, and is as close to proven as can get. A theory, as people normally use the term, is more like a hypothesis in science.

Darwin never renounced his theory, and the theory of evolution did not end with Darwin, research still continues. (Scientific theories like evolution or gravity, which is also a theory, are under constant scrutinization by many people.)

Many theists can and do believe in evolution.
Not all atheists believe in evolution.

There, I hope that helps out. If anyone has any further questions about evolution, or if I missed anything in there, just ask. My internet turns off in a few minuites, but I'll be back tomorrow.

i applaud this post haha.. you are very spot on.. the only thing that i dont think is necessarily true, is that it doesnt have to be a genetic mutation in which the trait comes from... it can be just a normal trait.. pretty much the organisms with the traits thatll help it survive in its particular environment will live and reproduce, passing on that trait.. the ones without the trait will die, and in time, the unfavorable traits will die off with them... over a long period of time, the population will obviously change (more and more will have the favorable trait)

and yea.. evolution is NOT the big bang theory lol... evolution is a result of dawins theory of natural selection

anywaaaaaays... you ma'm, have my full props :thumbsup2
 
i applaud this post haha.. you are very spot on.. the only thing that i dont think is necessarily true, is that it doesnt have to be a genetic mutation in which the trait comes from... it can be just a normal trait.. pretty much the organisms with the traits thatll help it survive in its particular environment will live and reproduce, passing on that trait.. the ones without the trait will die, and in time, the unfavorable traits will die off with them... over a long period of time, the population will obviously change (more and more will have the favorable trait)

and yea.. evolution is NOT the big bang theory lol... evolution is a result of dawins theory of natural selection

anywaaaaaays... you ma'm, have my full props :thumbsup2

Thank you! Though how else would traits first apear other than through genetic variation?
 
Sure, we're evolving today, but evolution says we are the baby of a ******** fish monkey thing. those aren't evolving into humans today, correct me if I'm wrong.

I haven't seen this South Park episode people are talking about...But...
If evolution was real, then how come there still aren't things evolving today? It just makes no sense. You know what I mean? Well obviously because that's basically what you put..Haha.

my teacher told me when we die that was it,we just float in space.no heaven no hell.freaked me out at age 6 so much i had to quit CCD.

This was a CCD teacher?!?! Uhm. Wow. When you die you either go to Heaven or Hell based on how you lived your life and your belief in God.

At the Columbine shootings, there was this girl and they asked her if she believed in God and she said yes and they shot her. So sad.

Rest In Peace. Rachel :(

And I can't fathom that there's a magical man in the sky waiting for me with open arms when I die. Sorry if that sounded demeaning or something.

Not to target what you believe and everything, but I think it's terrible when people don't think there's someone in Heaven waiting for them. God chooses when to bring you home and he waits for you there. That's just what I personally believe...

Yeah, I think it was the chicken..

God created the chicken so it could lay the egg and there would be more chickens :)
The stupid chicken didn't evolve from a dumb monkey. Haha.
 
but then where did God come from? everything has to come from something,right?
apologies if i sound stupid,i never finished CCD.


my teacher told me when we die that was it,we just float in space.no heaven no hell.freaked me out at age 6 so much i had to quit CCD.

To ask that question is to assume there was another creator before God. At some time, however, we are forced to stop asking that question and realize that there ad to be something that has always existed. God is that infinite Being who has always been and who was created by no one. At least to me He is. It's a difficult concept to understand because finite minds cannot comprehend the infinite. Like, when we try to think of the highest number, but we can't do it. We shouldn't limit the infinite by our finite understanding.

Evolutionists don't believe in God, so that wouldn't work for the Big Bang theory.
Unless of course you call yourself a theistic evolutionist.

That's a thing that bugs me. When people say they believe in evolutionism but not creationism. I'm like "Okay. But the things that we evolved from had to get here somehow. How did that happen?"

The only people i've ever had this debate with were just like " AAA! THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT! IT'S ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE CAME FROM. NOT ALL ANIMALS!!!"

And i'm just like, " But seriously. If we evolved from animals, how did they get here"

I seriously and legitimately don't understand how that's possible.
 


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