Really mad at Disney

[BelleBoo&AmisMum]

Out of curiosity, what was the range they were offering? DH is a software engineer and has been toying with the idea of changing companies, I'm just not sure it's a good idea at this point, the pay he gets isn't bad and the benefits are excellent.

 

[Cool-Beans]

If your DH can make that kind of dough somewhere else, that's what he has to do. If Disney can get an employee for less than your DH would cost them, that's what they have to do.

I'm sure Disney isn't holding it against him that he turned down their job offer. Why hold it against them that they aren't paying what he's asking?

In the long run, you're probably better off. Your DH probably wouldn't want to vacation there if he worked for them!!!

 

[monkeyboy]

is there a gun to his head?
dont take it

 

[sewer]

"There are 10 kind of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't."
Could I write "there are 8 kinds of people in the world, those that understand octal.........."

 

["Got Disney"]

My sister went through the same thing when they hired her to be a makeup artist....they started her at such a low salery but she figures just to get the jog would be good on her resume...she worked for them for 2 years and then left cause they gave her terrible raises....

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

There's nothing "magical" about the way Disney does business. They're just like any other company in corporate America. They make their money no matter what, so people turning down their jobs doesn't matter much because they know someone else will take it no matter the pay.

I definitely understand your disappointment though. Hope your DH finds a job that pays better!

 

[Beth76]

Sorry OP, this just happened to my DH as well. He even took a vacation day from his job to fly to Atlanta for a personal interview. He has a friend who works for this company and was expecting a pretty high salary offer. We were shocked when it came back lower than he made at the time. Fortunately, he was interviewing at other places and ended up taking another job with a good offer. But we were ticked that he wasted his time flying to Atlanta when they weren't even going to give him a raise. They wasted a $1000 plane ticket as well. Who knew it cost that much to fly from St. Louis to Atlanta.

 

[Conservative Hippie]

Yeah, DH had to waste a vacation day to fly out there too! And two of the people he talked to tried to bring up no state tax in Florida, but there is no state tax in Texas, either, so that is not an issue for us. Anyway, it would be stupid to move 1000 miles for a pay cut to a job that is going to make you be on call 24/7 for 2 weeks out of the month. Really, whoever they find to take the job for that amount of money is not going to be nearly as qualified as DH. We have other companies in central FL we are looking at.

 

[Hixski]

I am looking right now in the St. Louis area for an IT position. The company I work for is laying off in May. I was really surprised that salaries quoted are in the 10k range or more lower than what I make now. That is a big cut some of these companies are asking you to take. Someone mentioned IT people being a dime a dozen. Where I live there are hundreds of IT jobs being left unfilled. The companies try to hire and when nobody is taking them up on their lowball offers they turn to a headhunter. I am seeing the same jobs over and over out on Monster. I know I will find something I just don't want to take a cut if I don't have to.

 

[diznygirl]

Yeah, DH had to waste a vacation day to fly out there too! And two of the people he talked to tried to bring up no state tax in Florida, but there is no state tax in Texas, either, so that is not an issue for us. Anyway, it would be stupid to move 1000 miles for a pay cut to a job that is going to make you be on call 24/7 for 2 weeks out of the month. Really, whoever they find to take the job for that amount of money is not going to be nearly as qualified as DH. We have other companies in central FL we are looking at.

Good luck with the job hunt. FYI - stay away from Channel Intelligence and EI.

 

[ducklite]

Yeah, DH had to waste a vacation day to fly out there too! And two of the people he talked to tried to bring up no state tax in Florida, but there is no state tax in Texas, either, so that is not an issue for us. Anyway, it would be stupid to move 1000 miles for a pay cut to a job that is going to make you be on call 24/7 for 2 weeks out of the month. Really, whoever they find to take the job for that amount of money is not going to be nearly as qualified as DH. We have other companies in central FL we are looking at.

That's a pretty rash statement to make. There are tens of thousands of programmers out there, and I'm sure many are equally qualified. I'm sure your DH is very good at what he does, but to think that no one else could do his job would not only be wrong, but also a rather dangerous way of thinking. IMHO In this day and age, getting too confident in ones I/T job or abilities is not a good thing. There are just too many very qualified people out there, many of whom will work for less, some of whom will work for much less.

Anne

 

[MushyMushy]

There are plenty of good IT people who will take a pay cut to work somewhere desirable. My DH recently took a pay cut for a new job in our town. He was desperate to cut out his commute, and we did lose quite a bit of money in the job change, but he gained a lot in free time and happiness (3 hours a day worth of free time! ). Taking a pay cut doesn't have to be the end of the world if you can work it out!

 

[ducklite]

There are plenty of good IT people who will take a pay cut to work somewhere desirable. My DH recently took a pay cut for a new job in our town. He was desperate to cut out his commute, and we did lose quite a bit of money in the job change, but he gained a lot in free time and happiness (3 hours a day worth of free time! ). Taking a pay cut doesn't have to be the end of the world if you can work it out!

That's very true! I took a 60% pay cut when I moved to Florida!!

Anne

 

[Cee]

......that the pay is not great but the benefits are. I've had friends who have
worked there and they say the "bennies" can't be beat, BUT...you're never
going to get rich working there.

 

[Albort]

well, working at Disneyland isnt that bad. They do give a lot of benefits which are really nice. but my current salary is only a few dollars over the minimum.

i always saw working at Disneyland as a fun side job. Many of the CM there actually work at Disneyland for fun.

 

[Cindy B]

The 24/7 on call for two months is not unreasonable request as well. DH has been in IT for twenty years and his on call schedules for various companies are very similiar.

WDW sounded wonderful for my DH as well, but the pay cut was not worth it. At that time he also interviewed with Microsoft and another company. The other company offered to him first and he's been there for 7 years.

 

[barkley]

i think it's realy hit or miss when it comes to it jobs. some places pay realy well, others pay dirt-not a whole lot of middle ground. but with some of the companies and government agencies that have started wage cuts and/or elimination of promotional opportuinites for long term experienced staff with an attitude of getting cheaper paid 'newbies' into positions it's begining to come back to haunt them.

i know of several folks who have left it positions with places they've been for upwards of decades when these types of tactics have come into play only to have the same employers ready to offer them the moon when something happens that newbies directly contributed to or could'nt address by virtue of inexperience or no historical knowledge of the systems of the systems they were working on. this seems especialy the case when the former it staff was involved in planning and implementation of systems-they have the historical knowledge of why a system was set up in a particual way with specific procedural guidelines, and some newbie comes in not knowing all the research, trial and error that went into something, makes a 'cost and time effective' change-then WHAM 6 months later the 'suits' realize how much that change has actualy cost them and they go scrambling to find someone who knows the whys and wherefores of the system's origins.

i have one family member whose high paying governement it job was eliminated only to have the same bosses who said they could get 10 new college grads for the same cost come begging him to come back when they found the grads had neither the experience nor the ability to aquire the security clearances he possessed. his wife however was ticked at what she saw as horrendous treatment on the agencies part and convinced him to only return as a private contractor on his own terms. result he ended up paid much higher than the wage he left at and THEY (employers) were the one's left worrying that he would leave when contract renewals came up.

as for disney, well they've always had the reputation of poor wages. i know it's different in florida where their staff got on the union bandwagon and demanded some wage/benefit stipulations from day one, but in california you can read some stuff dating back to the early years of disneyland and how allot of the 'imagineering' was done out of necessity on walt's part to keep union paid laborers out of the picture (a key example would be the haunted mansion-walt did'nt like the going rate for skilled union brick layers so he had his artistic staff develop a material that looks identical to bricks-once developed he could hire minimum wage workers to build the structure). lots of jobs are also written as far more encompassing than their titles-the idea being that if a job description is vague it's less easy for workers in the same skill to organize and lobby for pay more in step with the economy.

disney also has the benefit to some degree of those employees they get young, support with jobs such to facilitate college educations that work around their work hours and then pull into positions. some position that the newly graduated long time disney employee does'nt nesc. realize is wildly undercompensated as compared to what their peers will be earning a few years down the line. i know of 2 separate cases wherein family friends started as teens working for disney-were encouraged and supported by managment to pursue educations disney saw a need for staff in. went in and continued through to top level managment jobs-they loved disney, felt a real part of the disney family, but did concede that they lost out financialy by never breaking away from that family and going onto other employment opportunities. but they accepted it as a trade off for working for the mouse.

 

[grlpwrd]

That's a pretty rash statement to make. There are tens of thousands of programmers out there, and I'm sure many are equally qualified. I'm sure your DH is very good at what he does, but to think that no one else could do his job would not only be wrong, but also a rather dangerous way of thinking. IMHO In this day and age, getting too confident in ones I/T job or abilities is not a good thing. There are just too many very qualified people out there, many of whom will work for less, some of whom will work for much less.

Anne

Pardon me, but we don't even know his qualifications so you can't really say it was a rash statement when you don't even know him or his qualifications ....

My dh is a design engineer and I feel like Conservative Hippie - that no one else is as qualified fror many jobs because I know it to be true. That's not a brag, it's an observation. My dh is diversified and knows how to design better than most of his colleagues. He has worked on Dodge Durango headlights, the new Bluebird busses, Bombardier ski jets, the Joint Striker fighter plane, and many others.

I think we know our husband's better than you do.

I love Disney, but that is why he will never get a job there. I think it is true about supply and demand like someone else already mentioned. Disney can afford to pay top dollar, but why should they when it is cost effective to hire someone who will get paid a low salary just to be able to work for the company.

GL in your dh's jobhunt!

 

[MushyMushy]

Pardon me, but we don't even know his qualifications so you can't really say it was a rash statement when you don't even know him or his qualifications ....

My dh is a design engineer and I feel like Conservative Hippie - that no one else is as qualified because I know it to be true. That's not a brag, it's an observation. My dh is diversified and knows how to design better than most of his colleagues. He has worked on Dodge Durango headlights, the new Bluebird busses, Bombardier ski jets, the Joint Striker fighter plane, and many others.

I think we know our husband's better than you do.

I love Disney, but that is why he will never get a job there.

GL in your dh's jobhunt!

No matter how good you are in your field, there will always be somebody better.

Thems just the facts of life.

 

[grlpwrd]

No matter how good you are in your field, there will always be somebody better.

Thems just the facts of life.

Of course, that is true... there is always someone that is better, smarter, richer, etc. That is a given.

edited to add: I have a feeling that because she posted she felt her dh was being passed over and rejected, hence, the disappointment. That is what I interpreted and I thought why she stated what she did. Then again I don't know ... I don't know his credentials. I just go by what people say.

I was alluding to the fact that ducklite doesn't even know the guy.

I guess you feel the need to support her because you are friends?

Carry on...