Reading out grades in class...

[AnOtHeRdIsNeYfReAk]

Won't get any sympathy from me! Just this morning I called out the 100s on the spelling pre-tests. Anyone I didn't call knows they didn't make 100. Guess they need to try harder next time.

I hate the whole "If they didn't do well, they need to try harder" mentality. (Especially from teachers. I've had to deal with it from a few of DN's teachers.) My niece works her butt off just to maintain a low 80's average. She's in the dining room for at least 4 hours a night, and I even have to make her put everything away for dinner. Not every child is able to do well in school. That being said though, I don't mind 100's or high 90's being read out loud. As long as those students trying hard receive some sort of praise as well. Praising some while making others feel bad is not a good way to instill confidence in children. Now, making the lazy kids squirm is another thing altogether.​

I had a classmate who had severe learning issues. He tried so hard, but never met our teacher’s high standards. One time, he had to turn in a paper he worked very hard on. We weren’t allowed to type it up, so it was hand written. She took one look at it and tore it up in front of the whole class saying that his chicken scratch wasn’t worth her time. He stopped trying after that.

Man, does that ever sound like one of dear nieces teachers from a few years back. After my sister passed away DN had some trouble catching up with assignments. She had one teacher hand back a paper with a big red F written on it because it was late. Um.. her mom just died and the poor kid already had trouble with big assignments because of her learning disabilities. It took a while before she put that much effort into an assignment again.​

 

[HannaBelle]

I am opposed to having grades be public knowledge, for whatever reason.

On more than on occasion my kiddos have come home complaining that their friends/classmates were mad b/c the teacher used them as an "So-So got an A, the rest of you need to work harder."

Great plan teach! Way to make them feel good about getting an A.

It works both ways, guilt and shame should not be used as motivation.

Kids need to work hard and sometimes the best they can do is a C. That does not give a teacher the right to use negative motivational techniques.

I had a professor in college that would rant and rave that 98% of the class were idots, he literally threw his chalk and erases at us, b/c the 2% that were actually doing well should have tested out. The rest of us were clueless b/c he was a HORRIBLE teacher. Poor scores do not tell the whole story.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I've never had that happen and would be pleased that she got in trouble.

Honor Roll is one thing--citing out individual test grades...ummm....not.

I've seen that practice a bunch in movies, but in 10 public schools, never actually heard of it or experienced it.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

You really seem to have a problem with how smart children are currently being recognized, weren't you saying gifted and talented should be cut over on the what to cut thread?

How would you recognize children who excel if you could design a program?

No--we were discussing a hypothetical scenario of funding cuts.

Individual recognition on individual assignments--totally different idea as well as recognition over all.

But way to drag a hypothetical over here into reality.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I see nothing wrong with this. We reward the jocks for making "X team" but we won't acknowledge the smarter/harder working kids for making "X grades".

I lettered for academics in high school---I got recognized just like the jocks. And one year, I was the jock--lettered in swimming.

But the student body wasn't notified of my individual grades of individual assignments ever. If they asked and I shared my A or my F--that was my decision. (and yes, there was an occasional sucky grade in there--noone's perfect )

 

[DizBelle]

I lettered for academics in high school---I got recognized just like the jocks. And one year, I was the jock--lettered in swimming.

But the student body wasn't notified of my individual grades of individual assignments ever. If they asked and I shared my A or my F--that was my decision. (and yes, there was an occasional sucky grade in there--noone's perfect )

Don't you see that this is exactly the same thing? Announcing who got a letter is the same as announcing who got a 90 or better. Why is one ok and the other not?

 

[Sparx]

I remember teachers calling kids up to the desk to see their grades, and kids saying that it was okay to say it out loud. Other than that, I don't think I've ever had teachers who read everyone's grades out loud without asking first.

 

[Art 1]

There was a time when the class sat form front to back grade wise. Those were times when it was embarrassing to get bad grades. Public schools couldn't get away with that now.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Don't you see that this is exactly the same thing? Announcing who got a letter is the same as announcing who got a 90 or better. Why is one ok and the other not?

No it isn't at all.

You seem to partake in generalities and assume that when someone finds one thing wrong, then it all must be wrong and that is not how the world works. (i.e. no athletic competitions, spelling bees and doing away with medaling at the Olympics)

Take my former place of employment for example. We'll get recognized for a job well done that had a positive impact on the project or whatever.

But no employee ever has the right to look at my individual performance review and view specifically my strengths and weaknesses. Not everyone gets the award. Not everyone is a great employee. But they don't have any right to privileged information that details anything about my actual performance on the job.


Same deal with a test grade.

 

[hereyago]

Oh, I love the world of PC and how we don't want crush people's spirits. Blah blah blah.

WHen I went to school, the teachers would actually do this: so and so here is an A very good job, then the other papers would be handed out and the teacher would say to try harder.

Just like Honor Roll assemblies: they do A, AB and B honor roll. the ones who are on the rolls stand up to be recognized. The principal tells the student who didn't get on the rolls to try harder next time, to always reach for the higher grade. So should we just rule those out as well?

 

[DizBelle]

I really cannot believe that people think that kids shouldn't get recognition for their achievements. That just is insane to me.

 

[DizBelle]

No it isn't at all.

You seem to partake in generalities and assume that when someone finds one thing wrong, then it all must be wrong and that is not how the world works. (i.e. no athletic competitions, spelling bees and doing away with medaling at the Olympics)

Take my former place of employment for example. We'll get recognized for a job well done that had a positive impact on the project or whatever.

But no employee ever has the right to look at my individual performance review and view specifically my strengths and weaknesses. Not everyone gets the award. Not everyone is a great employee. But they don't have any right to privileged information that details anything about my actual performance on the job.


Same deal with a test grade.

So, it would be ok if they announced who got a 90 or better (job well done) as long as they didn't announce the specific grade of each student? Ok, I'm fine with that.

 

[DizBelle]

Oh, I love the world of PC and how we don't want crush people's spirits. Blah blah blah.

WHen I went to school, the teachers would actually do this: so and so here is an A very good job, then the other papers would be handed out and the teacher would say to try harder.

Just like Honor Roll assemblies: they do A, AB and B honor roll. the ones who are on the rolls stand up to be recognized. The principal tells the student who didn't get on the rolls to try harder next time, to always reach for the higher grade. So should we just rule those out as well?

Apparently. Likewise, academics shouldn't be singled out in this. In any other area where a score is kept or a winner declared, scores cannot be announced and no winners declared.

 

[DizBelle]

If you infer that you are a loser because someone else is a winner, that is your problem. Not the other person's and they shouldn't be punished because of it.

 

[antsss]

I think it's fine that the teacher read the 90 and above grades. Now, I wouldn't like it if she went down the line and read all the grades, because that would be embarrassing for the poor kids who had the lowest grades. But 90 and above would be fine with me!!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So, it would be ok if they announced who got a 90 or better (job well done) as long as they didn't announce the specific grade of each student? Ok, I'm fine with that.

I'm a bit confused by your question--but that's okay.

My academic letter was for an overall GPA and I do know that my GPA at the time included a couple of B's.

I have no problems recognizing achievement. Just not on each and every assignment in class. It's unnecessary and a violation of privacy.

Even in college, the professors (at UF) would be in big trouble for disclosing individual grades--those were always posted by last 4 digits of the SSN (maybe student ID now).

But they still had a valedictorian at the graduation ceremonies, honor clubs, and dean's list and those types of things. I never qualified for any of that so I'm unclear of how publicized those were.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I really cannot believe that people think that kids shouldn't get recognition for their achievements. That just is insane to me.

I agree in terms of banning honor roles and the like.

We can't go through life constantly earning just participation trophies for effort.

I recall..entering beauty pageants as a kid--the participation trophies were joke to me. Probably b/c I was older and knew what that meant. It doesn't mean that their shouldn't have been a winner--but I didn't appreciate the award for just showing up.

However--the Mickey Medal at the marathon---I'm totally all for that token reward for finishing. I'll just never qualify for an actual placement trophy/plaque or the big check that goes with it. But I'm okay with that.

 

[Mermaid02]

I remember getting 100% on my U.S. History exam in 10th grade. My teacher handed back the test and said, "If anyone wants to know the answers, ask Loreli- she got 100%" I wanted to DIE. Everyone looked at me like I was BRAGGING.

 

[MM27]

I despise this practice. Being born smart enough to do well in school is as random as being born likely to struggle. It makes no sense to spotlight either kid.

And there are many kids that are not "born smart" but work their butts off to get that high score. They deserve the accolades that come along with it. Just because all children don't excel doesn't mean the ones that do should have to have it hidden.

I really cannot believe that people think that kids shouldn't get recognition for their achievements. That just is insane to me.

My principal starts every awards assembly the same. He says something to the effect of 'We always single out the top athletes in their sport. We always recognize musicians for their gifts. It's time to award the xxxx School scholars for all their hard work.'

I don't announce grades, never have, but I do put stickers on papers that get 90% or higher. I have yet to have a parent complain that their child didn't get a sticker.

 

[celeste.]

My chemistry teacher reads all of our grade out loud.
Test grades & quarter averages. It doesn't bother me, but it does bother some people. But to be honest I only listen to my grade and no one else's and odds are everyone is just listening to their own grade.
Of course I'm in 10th grade and most of the kids in this class are in either 10th or 11th grade, so nobody really cries if they don't do as well as the person sitting next to them, like they might in an elementary school class.