Question re: presale

mickeyshellbelle

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If and when BLT becomes available about how long does it go presale before the general public can buy in. For those veteran DVC'ers, Im wondering if you have an estimate of how long presale usually lasts. We are ready to take the plunge, but with all of this BLT talk, I would completely prefer to buy in there than at SSR or AKV-just my preference. THanks for your help!
 
If and when BLT becomes available about how long does it go presale before the general public can buy in. For those veteran DVC'ers, Im wondering if you have an estimate of how long presale usually lasts. We are ready to take the plunge, but with all of this BLT talk, I would completely prefer to buy in there than at SSR or AKV-just my preference. THanks for your help!

If it's offered a month seems about right. Keep in mind that a presale may not be the best deal.
 
So far, everything about CRV has been different from other DVC's, so it's near impossible to guess what timing Disney will use.
 

BLT I assume will introduce a new class of points as well as cost more $$$. So i think you can safely bet that at 7 months my BCV points will NOT be valued 1 for 1 with BLT when making a ressie there. Most likely 1.5 or 2 for 1. Check out how many points it takes to book the contemporary today.... to give parity with the other resorts Disney would be giving away alot. JMHO
 
BLT I assume will introduce a new class of points as well as cost more $$$. So i think you can safely bet that at 7 months my BCV points will NOT be valued 1 for 1 with BLT when making a ressie there. Most likely 1.5 or 2 for 1. Check out how many points it takes to book the contemporary today.... to give parity with the other resorts Disney would be giving away alot. JMHO

I really don't see that as being a positive selling point for DVC with existing members. If the new resorts were some sort of 2 for 1 trade, it would also mean that the new resort owners could use half the points for our existing resorts. Even recently acquired points, like at AKV would basically become worthless, and think of the horrible publicity and impact on sales from that. Of course,questions about the profitablility of the tower being DVC, given the current economy, may be why there has been no announcement thus far. They may still be thinking of making it rental suites for the conventioneers.
 
If its not a 2:1 ratio... They may make the cost in 1:1 points nearly equal to todays trading power for a room at the Contemp.... I just cant see them not charging a premium (in some way) for location and monorail. The premium is definitly worth it......
 
Remember, though, that the upkeep costs and inititial building costs are paid for by the purchase price and dues of the members that purchase there, no matter what the point schedule looks like. So DVC/Disney really have nothing to gain from chargiing a lot of points for a stay there. If the point schedules are too high, it will translate into slower sales.
 
When I asked my guide today about a possible new DVC resort at the Contemporary, he said, "IF it is DVC, it will probably cost more than the current resorts." He didn't specify whether that was in the initial price of the points being higher, the fees being higher, or simply that it will cost more points to stay there. There is already some indication of the latter based on the filings they have had with the state thus far. He was trying to sell me SSR...
 
BLT I assume will introduce a new class of points as well as cost more $$$. So i think you can safely bet that at 7 months my BCV points will NOT be valued 1 for 1 with BLT when making a ressie there. Most likely 1.5 or 2 for 1. Check out how many points it takes to book the contemporary today.... to give parity with the other resorts Disney would be giving away alot. JMHO
Given DVC's track record it's likely the cost per point will go up somewhat as a matter of general increases but not as a means specifically of jacking up the price for a new resort in a dramatic fashion. And fortunately for members, DVC does not have a habit of using the points structure at new resorts as a way of increasing the price and devaluing points from previous resorts. There certainly are resort systems that do so, Fairfield (Wyndham) comes to mind. Comparing to the DC points costs is apples to oranges and has not basis for comparison as to what to expect at a new DVC resort. We had this same discussion for AKV and while the points structure is different given the view types, it is clearly not an attempt at increase to devalue older points. I think one can safely assume a structure in line with current points likely with some view type differences. Remember the majority of sales still has to be to new unique members and DVC is already one of the most expensive timeshares this side of the Ritz and Four Seasons.
 
Given DVC's track record it's likely the cost per point will go up somewhat as a matter of general increases but not as a means specifically of jacking up the price for a new resort in a dramatic fashion. And fortunately for members, DVC does not have a habit of using the points structure at new resorts as a way of increasing the price and devaluing points from previous resorts. There certainly are resort systems that do so, Fairfield (Wyndham) comes to mind. Comparing to the DC points costs is apples to oranges and has not basis for comparison as to what to expect at a new DVC resort. We had this same discussion for AKV and while the points structure is different given the view types, it is clearly not an attempt at increase to devalue older points. I think one can safely assume a structure in line with current points likely with some view type differences. Remember the majority of sales still has to be to new unique members and DVC is already one of the most expensive timeshares this side of the Ritz and Four Seasons.

Dean,

Aren't the preliminary documents that were filed (and then google'd) indicative of a point structure just slightly higher overall to existing DVC properties? This would support your arguments.

Regarding the other poster who was comparing the cost of currently using DVC points for the contemporary resort: I think that is totally wrong. Using our DVC points for any units outside of DVC is essentially a trade... and clearly trades are very disadvantageous (financially) to DVC members.

Also... being on the monorail does not necessarily bring in higher prices. I believe the price of contemporary resort and Y&BC resorts have been similar. From personal experience... prior to DVC, I often had the option of similar priced rooms between the two locations... and I always chose Y&BC as the more desirable property.

/Jim
 
Dean,

Aren't the preliminary documents that were filed (and then google'd) indicative of a point structure just slightly higher overall to existing DVC properties? This would support your arguments.
Likely but it would depend on specifics. Looking at the drawings it would make sense that there are courtyard/pool views, MK views and Lake view. My guess would be that the points for MK views would be a Little higher given there's really nothing in the system that is truly comparable. The closest for a new resort would be AKV Savannah views. BWV BW views would be except they came about after the fact at a time when they didn't really have the opportunity to make them higher. Whether the court views and Lake views are the same are there is a differential will be more difficult to guess at. Fortunately DVC HAS NOT taken these opportunities to devalue older points and essentially increase the price by increasing points accordingly, something I applaud them for. I take this approach as a sign of integrity on Disney's part.
 















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