Question for those that live in Illinois...

Jon99

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We currently live in the southwest burbs, looking to get away from the congestion and move south. Our plan is to find a community that will avoid urban sprawl for the next 20 years..

For those of you familiar with the area, how far out do you think we should go? Any suggestions for nice towns down there?
 
I live in a small town called Vandalia. It is about an hour from St.Louis. I am 16 and begging my parents to move. I hate it here. It is very backwards. There is no cultural diversity and the good ol' boy system here is unbearable. We even have an active chapter of the Klan. Our town has 7,000 people all of which are related. Other then that the town is very quiet and safe...
 
Champaign is nice, but too far away.. We are thinking more along the lines of Kankakee County. The areas around Bradley/Bourbonnais/Manteno look to be ready to explode, but the area west of there along the Kankakee River looks interesting..

We are basically looking for the first area south that will avoid mass development long enough so we can retire there, which is still 20-30 years away..
 

How about some of those river towns? Seneca, Morris and Ottawa are building up-but past that I think you are safe.
 
Looking out 20-30 years, I would say you would have to move at least 150 away from Chicago. It will get there sooner or later. Only thing is moving that distance, you start to encroach on urban spawl from other major urban areas.
 
Sprawl is already hitting Morris, but that is a nice little river town. Place we visited last weekend is called Herscher, about 2000 people and 10 miles west of Kankakee. In the middle of nowhere, between I-57 and I-55, but far away that it doesn't seem likely to grow a ton.
 
Sprawl is already hitting Morris

Tis true-we have our boat in Seneca and we had to stop at the Super Walmart to get dd3 a new life vest..it was nuts there on Saturday morning..took us 10 minutes to get out of the lot and back on 80.
 
The Minooka/Channahon area is exploding right now and some of that is within 5 minutes of that Wal-Mart. My brother-in-law and his family live in Morris and see how its starting to grow.. There is a Target, Menards and others planned for the Rt 47/I-80 area..

Amazing how far the Chicagoland area is expanding.
 
I'm in the STL metro east area. It is growing by leaps and bounds here. Great place to live though. Nice to have the city/airport closeby, yet we don't live on top of it. There are certainly some nice smaller towns around here, but many do have new growth on the outskirts.
 
There is a small town out here called Coffeen and it has a population of 700. It is a good place to retire.
 
I grew up in Manteno! I was just back there over Memorial Day and boy oh boy are you right!! The area is growing fast!! The thing I noticed, and heard the most complaints about was the schools. There aren't enough. There isn't enough space for all the kids entering!
Herscher is a nice, rural area, as well as Clifton & Ashkum areas. I know Beecher & Peotone have had their big growth spurt, so I figure you'll want to go further south, but not TOO far. What about St. Anne?

Good luck!
 
I grew up in Wilmington.. 15 minutes south of Joliet on the 55. I am so amazed at the amount of horrid traffic on the 55 anymore.. whew..
Even tho Wilmington is growing.. it is still VERY small town. Has some of the not so nice attributes listed by the resident of Vandalia...
Brother lives in Ottawa... nice town, small but at least it has stores and restaurants.

Manhattan is a small town, close to Joliet. you might want to check it out.
I still have family there.


I think it depends on how rural you want to be.... are we talking "burbs"?
or RURAL??


ZuZu.. I am also in MetroEast.. O'Fallon :wave2:
 
Manhatten??? NO WAY, read something the other day in which they expect their population to be over 40,000 by 2020, thats exactly what I want to stay away from.

We went down there today, met with an agent, she has sort of convinced us into the Limestone Township area of Kankakee. Rural, yet close to everything with Herscher schools, which she claimed is the best in the area. Looks to be on the "backside" of the major development.. A lot of $300K-$500K houses going up, but none of the huge developments of $250K houses that seems to bring a ton of people and traffic.
 
Interesting article in the Trib you may want to look at...Sorry its so long

America's biggest housing bargains?
With the nation's lowest median house price, the Danville area's residents feel the pain of selling out

By William Sluis
Tribune staff reporter
Published June 6, 2006


HOOPESTON, Ill. -- A four-bedroom, two-story house with fireplace on a tree-shaded street for $54,900?

A three-bedroom brick ranch, with attached garage, for $79,900?

They sound like real estate listings from the early 1970s, but these houses are for sale today in Vermilion County, 100 miles due south of Chicago.

Property values are declining in many smaller midwestern towns that are facing industrial decline, and nowhere is that more evident than here.

Home prices in the Hoopeston/Danville area have tumbled 12 percent in the last year, representing the sharpest decline of any metropolitan market in the country. The median price for a house is now $52,500, the lowest in the nation, according to first quarter statistics from the National Association of Realtors.

By comparison, the median price for the overall Chicago metropolitan region is $263,600.

In Hoopeston, a community known for its annual Sweet Corn Festival and beauty pageant, the downward spiral is the equivalent to winning the ugly duckling award. But there is a bright side for some: With the biggest real estate bargains anywhere, Chicagoans are flocking to look.

RuthAnn Amarteifio, who formerly lived in Chicago's Pilsen neighborhood, moved to Hoopeston 2 1/2 years ago and runs the Books & More store on Market Street in the downtown area.

"We have friends from the Chicago area who bought a two-story house on a corner lot for about $40,000. That is what they had intended to spend for a down payment in the big city," she said.

Suburbanites, in particular, come to Hoopeston, population 6,000, and nearby towns in the county, hoping to find a low-cost place to retire, said realty agent Terry Prillaman.

"About half of my business comes from people in the collar suburbs, who look at these prices and low property taxes. They can't stay away," said Prillaman, of Illiana Real Estate in Rossville, which is about 10 miles north of Danville.

Long commute

Buyers have included retired Chicago police officers and retirees from the former Ameritech. A favorite spot to acquire a home is around the local country club, where a home can be found for about $150,000.

Because Hoopeston is only about 85 miles from Chicago's south suburbs, a few hardy souls have attempted to commute to jobs in the metropolitan area, he said. But most Chicago home buyers look for a second home, at least until they retire.

The Hoopeston/Danville area's steep slippage in the first quarter was followed by that of South Bend, Ind., where prices fell 10 percent, and Akron, down 6.3 percent, the NAR said. The falloff in some markets nationwide was the first in 15 years.

Overall, home prices increased nationally by a modest 4.2 percent for the quarter, compared with the year-prior period. It was the smallest gain since September 2001. But prices in the Midwest were off 1.2 percent, according to the latest data available from the NAR.

Hoopeston's problem, according to home seller Tony Freeland, is that for many decades the city was a powerful industrial center, with factories on all sides.

But with work being shifted overseas or elsewhere, "that's not a good position for the community to be in," said Freeland, who is retired from a grain company.

He and his wife, who worked in a Hoopeston bank, are trying to sell a sprawling three-story Tudor with a veranda, five bedrooms, rich stonework, walnut paneling, a swimming pool and a red tile roof.

The house of about 5,000 square feet was built in 1917 by Freeland's grandfather, an industrialist who headed a company that made a new type of baking powder. The company was later sold, its Hoopeston factory shuttered, and now is part of Monsanto Co.

"If this house were on Chicago's North Shore it would be worth $1 million or more," said Freeland.

In Hoopeston, the house is listed for $224,000. The Freelands say they have been talking to a Chicago woman who is thinking about turning it into a bed-and-breakfast.

The loss of industrial jobs is constantly on the minds of people who are trying to sell real estate in the area. When workers from the former factories find a new position, perhaps in a warehouse or distribution center, it often pays less than half their former wages.

In recent years Hoopeston, known for many years as the Sweet Corn Capital--a motto that still appears on its water towers--has lost much of its identity. Corn and green bean packing plants that dated to 1875, including Stokely's, shut their doors. While the local high school still calls its teams the Corn Jerkers, the canneries are history.

Also sitting largely idle are a huge factory that made industrial food-handling machinery and a facility that produced battery chargers.

In nearby Danville the biggest industrial shutdown involved General Motors Corp., which ended production at a huge casting plant in the mid-1990's. Over time that put nearly 1,000 homes on the market, as workers moved or were transferred elsewhere.

Also gone from Danville are Hyster Corp., a maker of forklift trucks, and a General Electric plant.

The many factory closures and rusting smokestacks, and the loss of industrial jobs, has crimped median incomes for the area's residents, which already were far below the national average.

"What is shocking is that the areas with the weakest house prices never were red-hot, so the house values are falling from fairly low levels," said Paul Kasriel, chief economist for Northern Trust Co. in Chicago.

"It can be viewed as an ominous sign," he said.

He said a loss of industrial jobs takes several years to sink in, as those thrown out of work try to hang on to their houses and lifestyles.

At some point, however, the decline in their incomes forces them to sell. But if they cannot find buyers, that could mean foreclosure.

The nation's highest foreclosure rate is in Indiana, which, like parts of Illinois, has seen factories shuttered and jobs lost, Kasriel said.

Comparisons between the economies of Hoopeston and Chicago are eye-popping. Even with some houses on the market for $50,000, many potential buyers cannot afford to buy, said Prillaman, the realty agent, who is also mayor of nearby Rossville.

"The husband and wife will tell me that they both work, for a combined income of about $35,000, and that they have some credit-card debts," he said. "It is sad. I have to tell them they simply don't qualify."

Not all sellers are discouraged.

Strong prospects

Hurchel and Dolores Hoke have placed on the market a 40-year-old brick ranch house that faces Illinois Highway 1, the main road into Hoopeston. They are asking $92,000.

"We have several strong prospects, and we think it will sell quickly," said Dolores Hoke, adding that the couple intends to move to South Carolina to be near a daughter.

As for the ultra-low prices in the community, she says, "the ones you see are often small rental houses that aren't in great condition. They are of a low quality, small and old."

Retired retailer Dwight Hoffman, who sold his Western Auto store in downtown Hoopeston 11 years ago, said most residents don't dwell unduly on the value of their homes, because they still have gains from past years.

"We live in a three-bedroom brick-and-siding ranch house on the main highway that we bought for $23,000," he said.

"Today, it is worth about $90,000," he said.

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wsluis@tribune.com
 
I'm in Elgin, definately the poster child for sprawl, we've annexed land west of the Fox as far as we could, and nothing but $500,000 (and up) homes are going to be built.

Basicly, all of I-90 (Northwest tollway) from Elgin to Rockford will be developed in the next 20 years, I'm willing to bet. From Rockford you can still have a decent commutte to Hoffman Estates and Schaumburg, both of which have tons of companies for employment.

And I'm willing to bet the exact same thing will happen along ALL the interstates going to/from the Chicago metro area.

So my recomendation is to be as far away from an interstate as possible. The harder it is to commute to Chicago or the 'burbs, the less likely that area is to be over developed.
 
I am from central Illinois..and as far as the article about Hoopston/Danville....just remember you get what you pay for.

Danville is the armpit of Illinois. It will be the next East St. Louis, if things get much worse.

Definately, not a place to come and raise a family...
It would work if you want to start a new drug gang, however!
 
Katie said:
I am from central Illinois..and as far as the article about Hoopston/Danville....just remember you get what you pay for.

Danville is the armpit of Illinois. It will be the next East St. Louis, if things get much worse.

Definately, not a place to come and raise a family...
It would work if you want to start a new drug gang, however!

we used to get pulled over by highway patrol in Danville all of the the time when we would go to Indiana to buy fireworks. :) we grew up in central IL and I never found a city I would want to live in.

we almost bought a house in Bolingbrook in the early 90's. I wish we would have, that city boomed. I love the Chicago area, but it's too hard to get around and way too cold.
 
I'm near the Bradley area. If the Peotone airport project ever gains legs and gets going -- this entire area is going to get hit with urban sprawl....certainly all the way down as far a Kankakee. The Beecher/Monee area has added so many new houses over the past two years it is hard to recognize them. There are already new hotel and restaurants cropping up along I-57. Plus, our school Districts down here are going downhill fast.

I'm wondering if you've considered going a little over the State Line. There are some very nice smaller type communities over in the Crown Point/Dyer area. If DH and I ever decide to move, that is where we'd probably look first.
 
we almost bought a house in Bolingbrook in the early 90's. I wish we would have, that city boomed. I love the Chicago area, but it's too hard to get around and way too cold.

That is where our first home was! We got out last year, we were on the Naperville border, I called it Naperville-lite, same home, much cheaper when we bought in 2000.
 


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