Question for those so frustrated they aren't going back.

We are among the people who skipped the APs this year and already booked a cruise to Alaska instead of going to the World in 2014. I think we will still be able to create the "bubble" for relaxation purposes and might even decide it works better than the *working vacation* that a trip to the World is starting to feel like with all the planning and stress to try work plans that will work for us.
 
Well, let's face it. Walt had a vision of how he wanted things to be and he did something on a scale that no one had ever done before. He immersed you in the whole experience. It wasn't just another theme park, it was all encompassing and so very magical. But magic is hard to hang on to when the visionary is gone and the bean counters get just a little more leverage. Is it still magical? Of course, the man was a genius. But some things are a little tarnished, crowds are a little higher, CM's are a little less motivated, food is little less gourmet and some of the things that made THE Magic are gone. I've been going to Disney since the year after the MK opened and things have changed. Some for better and some for worse and some like the FP+ we don't know yet. So, like I said, I don't think anyone here wants to stop going forever. I think we just want to know what's next. :)

Is this the man to turn WDW around? Summary of George Kalogridis presentation.
 
I would not say that I'm never going back. I do feel motivated to finally get out there and do some of the other things that I keep putting off though.

I've always dreamt of going to Italy and England. I would like to return to some favorites. I have seen little of the western US and I'd like to go to Hawaii. There's a big wonderful world out there and it might be fun to actually see some of it.

WDW is a fine place to vacation but in my eyes it isn't what it once was. Some would say that the WDW of today is still fabulous and I won't argue that but it has lost something IMO.
 

bcrook said:
Is this the man to turn WDW around? Summary of George Kalogridis presentation.

Very nice. I like his concepts, his talking points. I don't know if he's the man. I don't know if WDW could be or really even needs to be turned around. The magic that we all experienced when the MK first opened, imo, is gone and maybe rightfully so. Like the man said, you can't stand still. I agree with this and in evolving, I think the MB's interactive aspect embodies Walt and the Imagineers vision. IF, the bean counters let them expand that aspect, then maybe we'll have a whole new brand of magic.
 
I think my kids are too young for Universal. Maybe a few years down the line.

Otherwise I live in Alaska and it's an amazing place to lose yourself to the rest of the world.

I don't plan on ditching Disney anyways though. I'm sad that after our next trip it will be 2015 probably until I go back. :( BUT we're planning Aulani at least.

FWIW, if you and DH want to go to Universal, there ARE things for littles to do. Fun things. Of course, unless you go with another group of adults you will get to ride one adult at a time, but the other adult could be having lots of fun with the kids.

Also, at Universal the rider swap is done inside the ride. That's not fun if you have skittish kids and take them into the line for the Mummy (even my 9 year old, who could ride it, won't go into the line!), but overall it's pretty neat.



I personally don't need a "bubble". I don't even WANT it. I like knowing how the parks and lands and everything all fit together; it was one of the neater things about running the tower of terror race, to see all the backstagey type of stuff, or to be where I can't normally be as a guest.

Our last trip was weird because of the race; I was dehydrated and wiped out, so we were moving slow. Then DS got a nasty cold that slowed HIM down, so we were moving much much slower than normal. Because of that we actually had quite a decent time at WDW, regardless of FP+ stuff. We'll see if the same holds on our upcoming trip or if we see the deficiencies.

But...I still remember standing in line for DL's Space Mountain for upwards of 2 hours, and that was NORMAL, to stand in line for a headliner like that. I don't WANT to do that, but while running from ride to ride with loads of FPs (and we weren't even very good at doing lots of rides in a day) I always remembered that doing that was cool and special. I'm not sure I ever got used to it,even at DLR where I've been many more times than WDW.
 
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it's interesting. I've been going "all of my life" (first trip was when I was 6 months old. apparently my favorite attraction back then was kicking off my shoes :P). But we also live up north, and a yearly trip to Disney was never in our budget.

I recognize that things have changed, some for the better, and some not as much. But then, the outside world is a lot different than it was in the 70's and 80's too. And while some of what kids and families expect in a vacation are the same, some are different. Remember when the only "thrill ride" was Space Mountain? Technology is changing at a pace that only gets faster by the year. I'm not sure Disney can risk waiting until all the bugs are worked out before they start trying things anymore. Walt was a big fan of innovation and progress, and the fact that the company is trying new ways to engage guests, especially young ones who are "digital natives" and are used to much more personalized experiences I think is a good sign that the company is not willing to just sit on their laurels, but want to innovate in using technology to personalize guest service.

Change management is difficult for any company, and not everyone is going to be happy with the changes. While FP+ in its current incarnation isn't working for everyone, and while it is difficult to plan a vacation when procedures are being changed and tested, I still found the vacation I took last month to be something special, and something I don't think I could replicate at another park. Some of it is that to me, the core of the Disney experience remains the same, even while the details shift. Sure some cast members were phoning it in, but then every day I could identify several who went out of their way to make the day special for our non-special family. And when I look back on this vacation in months and years to come, Ariel the safari guide, David the Wilderness Explorer leader, and Wendi our server at California Grill are the people I am going to remember.

The other thing about a Disney vacation for my family, is that it has layers and layers of fond memories. I can go to Rafiki's planet watch and remember when the goat climbed into my mothers wheelchair and snatched the park map out of her hand. I can sit on a bench on Main Street USA and remember the time my sister and my cousin stuffed themselves into a stroller that wasn't big enough for either of them while we watched the parade. When I sit outside Fultons, I remember when it was the Empress Lilly and Mr. Snee stole my eggs at a character breakfast. I can still see my grandfather sitting at the head of the table at King Stefan's. Not all of these people are still with us, but those memories are precious to me. Maybe some of those memories cover over the cracks that Disney is showing with age. For me, it's worth it.

I wonder if the changes are felt more keenly to people who visit more frequently than I do. I can only go every few years, so I never really get "used to" one system long enough to be upset when the system changes. My dad has an annual pass, and the changes don't really seem to bother him, but he usually just goes to ride a couple rides, have dinner, and people watch, so I doubt much will get in the way of that.

Anyhow, I guess these are just some of my thoughts.
 
If I was going to not go to WDW I would probably go camping in the northwoods!
But I'm still on board :sail: I always stay in good digs, eat well, and have fun at WDW. The rides and fp+...I just don't care ...I miss rides every trip :rolleyes2
 
I haven't reached "never going back" levels of frustration yet, but I do anticipate taking several years away from Disney World until the time comes that some of the new projects start opening. And that decision is directly related to the changes in the last year or so that have made a Disney vacation much less enjoyable for me and my family.

I'm one of those who cancelled our Disney trip due to the uncertainty. We are going to Uni for the entire upcoming trip instead and we are waiting to see how it all shakes with FP before coming back to Disney. We go during pretty busy times due to our son's school schedule and I couldn't imagine it working out for us without FP- or something like FP-. Just not worth the money for us.

Put me in the "wait and see how this all shakes out" camp. I don't think our family could ever contemplate never going back. Disney was a large part of growing up for my wife and I - me all the way back to 1972, and it has been wonderful introducing our kids to that. However, it seems to be a prevailing theme for many to either delay the next trip or shorten the Disney portion and add Universal. We switched our upcoming split stay to a Universal only because of all the uncertainty surrounding this rollout. It will be very interesting to see what the answer is a year from now.

It's funny, before all of this started, I would have thought Disney "super-users" were a much larger percentage of their business. It doesn't seem so from the way all of this is being conducted.

And OP, thanks for starting a thread that doesn't seem to be bringing a lot of the emotion surrounding all of this into it! :thumbsup2
 
We are somewhere in the middle. We visited WDW in October and November for an extended holiday (almost 6 weeks and a Disney Cruise) We used FP+ prior to after the tiers began. We preferred FP+ before the tiers started. There were countless aspects to FP+ we didn't like (feeling so timetabled, having to book our times weeks or months in advance, now the tiers)

In future, most of our trips will be much shorter to WDW, as we will be combining this with other vacations (other areas of the US, Europe) so we might be doing 4-6 days at WDW. The longest we will wait in line for any ride is 20-30 minutes. If we can't ride Soarin and Test Track on our only EPCOT day (without waiting an hour+ for one), we will seriously consider not going to WDW anymore. For us, we will consider a Disney Cruise and maybe a short trip to Disneyland.
 
This will be our third trip since 2009 and it will probably be our last for a while. I don't feel like the magic is gone especially since I now have kids but it's different. And probably rightfully so - nothing will ever compare to the our first trip and walking onto Main Street USA. Wow, what a moment! And now I have gotten to relive that twice w/ my kids. Like someone else said, I have so many great memories of WDW w/ my parents & sisters and now with my own family that a lot of going back is about that. The time my dad thought a CM was a dummy and grabbed his nose. I thought my grandma was going to pee her pants on that one. Or when my son met Tigger for the first time and I had tears in my eyes. Or when Cinderella took my daughter's hand at lunch and led her around Akershus. Yeah....it's still magical.

Where else do we go?
We camp a lot. We love the Smoky Mountains (probably going there in July) and might hit Surf City NC (Topsail Island) for Labor Day. All three of those are pretty good for "getting lost out there" kind of trips!
 
As an infrequent Disney visitor, I'm not really OP's target for the question. But, the change that impacted us was the dramatic price increase to Y.E.S. tickets. We had hoped to do a few extra things our next trip and will probably need another $1,000 to make those happen. The switch to standard tickets will be another $700+ above that. Now, we're at nearly 2 grand above and beyond our last trip. So, it will probably get pushed back a year more. I don't know if this will decrease the total # of times we visit Disney, but it definitely could. I'm not thrilled with the FP changes, but wouldn't let that change our plans.
 
After utilizing FP+ and MBs for 10 days in November, I have to say I don't think it's worth canceling a whole trip over and waiting to see how it all pans out. It is what it is and any changes made at this point will be tweaks. I can see how the tiering gets on people's nerves - we did have to forego a second ride on Soarin in favor of a second ride on TT - but since many people do rope drop anyway, and a lot of times will hit each park more than once, it's not the end of the world. And as for the MBs, there's no snags that I saw or that I can even think of that would be earth shattering and ruin a vacation. Maybe a band will not work once in a while, but they have procedures in place for when that happens.

Call me optimistic maybe, but having experienced it first hand, it wasn't as bad as I had been dreading.
 
We (my sister and I) never "vacation" at WDW--since we live about an hour away, we take our week vacations elsewhere and go to Disney just about every other Saturday while the Seasonal Pass is valid.

I'm more a room service type of guy than roughing it via camping and usually rotate 4 locations for an annual week's vacation:

Las Vegas
Washington DC
Manhattan
New Orleans

If anyone has any ideas to add one more to my list, please let me know. A few things to understand: prefer continental U.S., prefer not to need a car, and really like to let loose when I'm on vacation (hence the not wanting to have to drive). I'm thinking about either Chicago or Memphis (oh, I'm also a foodie!)
 
We (my sister and I) never "vacation" at WDW--since we live about an hour away, we take our week vacations elsewhere and go to Disney just about every other Saturday while the Seasonal Pass is valid.

I'm more a room service type of guy than roughing it via camping and usually rotate 4 locations for an annual week's vacation:

Las Vegas
Washington DC
Manhattan
New Orleans

If anyone has any ideas to add one more to my list, please let me know. A few things to understand: prefer continental U.S., prefer not to need a car, and really like to let loose when I'm on vacation (hence the not wanting to have to drive). I'm thinking about either Chicago or Memphis (oh, I'm also a foodie!)

Austin - stay at the Driskill. You'll thank me...
 
I've seen Universal mentioned a few times here.

I just don't find it comparable.

Universal, to me, seems like a hyped up Six Flags.

Save Wizarding World, that place is just another theme park from all the times I've been there.

I don't think they are in the same league as Disney as far as themeing is concerned.
 
We (my sister and I) never "vacation" at WDW--since we live about an hour away, we take our week vacations elsewhere and go to Disney just about every other Saturday while the Seasonal Pass is valid.

I'm more a room service type of guy than roughing it via camping and usually rotate 4 locations for an annual week's vacation:

Las Vegas
Washington DC
Manhattan
New Orleans

If anyone has any ideas to add one more to my list, please let me know. A few things to understand: prefer continental U.S., prefer not to need a car, and really like to let loose when I'm on vacation (hence the not wanting to have to drive). I'm thinking about either Chicago or Memphis (oh, I'm also a foodie!)

San Diego and San Francisco
 
We (my sister and I) never "vacation" at WDW--since we live about an hour away, we take our week vacations elsewhere and go to Disney just about every other Saturday while the Seasonal Pass is valid.

I'm more a room service type of guy than roughing it via camping and usually rotate 4 locations for an annual week's vacation:

Las Vegas
Washington DC
Manhattan
New Orleans

If anyone has any ideas to add one more to my list, please let me know. A few things to understand: prefer continental U.S., prefer not to need a car, and really like to let loose when I'm on vacation (hence the not wanting to have to drive). I'm thinking about either Chicago or Memphis (oh, I'm also a foodie!)

San Antonio/Riverwalk?
 













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