Question about new VGF in Big Pine key

[Marionnette]

I have been to VGF a lot so I know the set up. The point was more the resort rooms are what they are bur the items missing mean something to people.

Not having a microwave and what could turn out to be a different type of refrigerator is a disappointment. Walking to the QS place is not a viable alternative.

And if it is the same as a refrigerator then why change the name? There has to be a reason.

Until we know for sure, we can’t say they are.

From what I have read about "beverage coolers" vs actually refrigerators is that there is a big difference in temperature settings. A beverage cooler is designed to keep liquids at a drinkable cold temperature (usually at 40°F or above). Refrigerators are designed to keep food items cold and tend to run at a lower temperature. A beverage cooler really isn't desirable for storing dairy items. Produce may not keep as long as in a refrigerator but should be okay. I'm not sure that I would feel comfortable storing lunch meat in a beverage cooler, but my white wines would chill nicely.

 

[nuhusky123]

They can have room variety and still have a small kitchenette that is built in. It takes up such a small area especially if they want to minimize the footprint. Its done to reduce cost of the conversion not to give you options.

The point is this is not about creating dvc as it has existed, rather about taking hotel rooms and double monetizing them. the end outcome are more rooms for dvc members to book and likely at more resorts

for Disney they get the have dvc pay for the upkeep of their hotel rooms and when not used by dvc members sell them for cash rates

the only way to stop Disney from doing more gfv2 conversions is to vote with your wallet. Don’t buy the points and don’t book resort studios. If gfv2 does poorly dvc won’t do more hotel room conversions.

depending on your perspective I do think gfv2 will be wicked successful regardless what some here wish

 

[s.r.disney nut]

And I am among that "some" for several reasons--
1) Two resort studios will be slightly less than a 1br, pointswise.
2) Those two studios will house up to 10 people vs. the 1br's 5.
3) Two full bathrooms instead of a tub-sink and shower-sink-toilet split bath.
4) The GF has several good-to-excellent restaurants; not everyone wants to fix food in their villa.
5) Big Pine is more conveniently located for pool, restaurants and quick access to the main building.
6) Easier to achieve peace/privacy for parents of adult or teen kids--two separate studios costing substantially less than a 2 br or Grand Villa. Also possibly appealing to 2-4 adults wanting separate spaces.

Bottom line: Not everyone wants a kitchen even though must-have-kitchen appears to dominate among those posting here. That's particularly so when the dining plans become available again.

Conclusion: Disney may be smarter than we think catering to that.

There's a big difference between a kitchen and a kitchenette. It's nice to have the ability to reheat leftovers/snacks with a microwave if you want to.

 

[Her Dotness]

It's nice to have the ability to reheat leftovers/snacks with a microwave if you want to.

Then, you'll likely not want to book a resort studio.

Others may be closer to your opposite--no interest in reheating/fixing food in their studio.

I see these studios as a welcome move for those hating to cook on vacation.

YMCV (Your mileage clearly varies) Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Her Dotness]

depending on your perspective I do think gfv2 will be wicked successful regardless what some here wish

I'll agree with reservations [intended :::snicker:::].

I believe it could be rather more successful than those preferring a kitchenette or at least a microwave added to the RStus foresee/believe. Wicked? Not that much.

As ever, time will tell.

 

[nuhusky123]

I'll agree with reservations [intended :::snicker:::].

I believe it could be rather more successful than those preferring a kitchenette or at least a microwave added to the RStus foresee/believe. Wicked? Not that much.

As ever, time will tell.

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[Sandisw]

Then, you'll likely not want to book a resort studio.

Others may be closer to your opposite--no interest in reheating/fixing food in their studio.

I see these studios as a welcome move for those hating to cook on vacation.

YMCV (Your mileage clearly varies) Nothing wrong with that.

But help me to understand how having a microwave in a room means someone has to use it?

It in no way enhances the experience for that guest who doesn’t want to cook. Again, they didn’t put them in but my gut says we will see them there eventually.

ETA. And this isn’t to be snarky….I am really trying to understand how not having them is a good thing.

 

[Her Dotness]

Yeah, thanks.

I know what wicked means when used as you did. Which is why I said not that much.

A slight disagreement is all.

 

[CarolMN]

think gfv2 will be wicked successful regardless what some here wish

I think so, too.

But I also understand why some are worried about increased competition for the VGF1 villas. Other than the peak times (which are already difficult for 11 month deluxe studio bookers), I believe the perceived 11 month problem, especially for the 1,2 & 3 bedroom villas, will not actually materialize. It will be a 7 month problem, and those with SAP will need to stay elsewhere. Not especially sympathetic for them, LOL.

 

[nuhusky123]

I think so, too.

But I also understand why some are worried about increased competition for the VGF1 villas. Other than the peak times (which are already difficult for 11 month deluxe studio bookers), I believe the perceived 11 month problem, especially for the 1,2 & 3 bedroom villas, will not actually materialize. It will be a 7 month problem, and those with SAP will need to stay elsewhere. Not especially sympathetic for them, LOL.

I think getting a deluxe studio in gfv1 after 11 months will be impossible. Anyone who does Not own at gfv can forget staying in gfv1 Imo

 

[Her Dotness]

But help me to understand how having a microwave in a room means someone has to use it?

Your interest is less competition for the deluxe studios, correct?

I'm saying people who hate to/don't want to cook on vacation are more likely to want a resort studio because they have no desire to have a microwave at all.

We never used the one in the first studio we had because we had the DDP. Didn't need it, and I'm a hate-to-cook-on-vacation sort. Did use it once in a week last year because we had no dining plan and weren't stuffed to our scalps. Heated some leftovers.

Therefore, no/less competition for those who want one and are concerned more VGF owners will make booking the deluxes harder.

That's all. See below.

There's a big difference between a kitchen and a kitchenette. It's nice to have the ability to reheat leftovers/snacks with a microwave if you want to.

Then, you'll likely not want to book a resort studio.

Which is why I answered as I did here.

 

[Sandisw]

Your interest is less competition for the deluxe studios, correct?

I'm saying people who hate to/don't want to cook on vacation are more likely to want a resort studio because they have no desire to have a microwave at all.

We never used the one in the first studio we had because we had the DDP. Didn't need it, and I'm a hate-to-cook-on-vacation sort. Did use it once in a week last year because we had no dining plan and weren't stuffed to our scalps. Heated some leftovers.

Therefore, no/less competition for those who want one and are concerned more VGF owners will make booking the deluxes harder.

That's all. See below.




Which is why I answered as I did here.

I book the larger rooms. However, if I can’t get a 2 bedroom than I have to book these and then the lack of certain things will make a difference.

I think that they will be booked regardless especially for those who don’t own there.

But, had they included them, it would have been nice for those who like or want them. And, owners who do enjoy those things will make sure to book deluxe.

For me, to be honest, if I have to get a studio is will be the deluxe for the room of not having two beds and a couch facing the TV.

 

[Her Dotness]

Maybe I'm misperceiving those who like the current studios' kitchenette. I dunno.

I just don't understand the uproar about no microwave in the RStus.

As CarolMN pointed out, it's already a challenge at 11 months to get what will become deluxe studios.

I can honestly see that it could get LESS difficult to book those if my speculation that a lot who buy in may be perfectly fine with nothing more than the GF regular rooms have for fixing food, i.e. not even wanting to nuke leftovers.

I love to cook--but NOT on vacation. That's my break. And I detest kitchen cleanup anytime--why I don't even want to nuke leftovers.

Which is why I could see the RStus being very popular, particularly among those wanting some points at VGF because there are so many fantastic restaurants there.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I'm saying people who hate to/don't want to cook on vacation are more likely to want a resort studio because they have no desire to have a microwave at all.

But if the microwave isn't affecting the useability of the room, then what's the harm? Integrating a compact microwave into an existing or new furniture fixture shouldn't pose any useability issues for those choosing not to use it.

Are we saying that eliminating hairdryers, that are otherwise hidden away in a drawer, from rooms will somehow make those rooms more appealing to bald people?

 

[lowlight]

I think you’re looking at microwaves, sinks and fridges as things people who like to cook on vacation need. I don’t want to cook on vacation either, but when you have a bunch of young kids, life is pretty hard without them. The kitchenette part of DVC is what makes it a home away from home for me. You may only spend a week there, some people spend 3 weeks and that’s rough in a hotel room with no comforts of home.
I agree with Sandi, why not have a microwave and a mini fridge vs beverage cooler? Two cubic feet of space taken up and it solves a ton of issues for those who need them, and creates none for those who don’t.

 

[Her Dotness]

But, had they included them, it would have been nice for those who like or want them. And, owners who do enjoy those things will make sure to book deluxe.

Agreed. You're spot on on both points, IMO.

Reason why I think Disney may have identified a niche market of hate-to-cook types is the fact that there's no microwave in the RStus AND BPK is closer to the restaurants.

That may be hogwash. It more likely is simply Cheapeking--didn't even want to put a volume-bought nuker in each dang RStu.

That would not surprise me. Cut those costs wherever you can--the new Disney motto.

 

[DVCsloth]

If I really think about it, how hard would it have been

I think so, too.

But I also understand why some are worried about increased competition for the VGF1 villas. Other than the peak times (which are already difficult for 11 month deluxe studio bookers), I believe the perceived 11 month problem, especially for the 1,2 & 3 bedroom villas, will not actually materialize. It will be a 7 month problem, and those with SAP will need to stay elsewhere. Not especially sympathetic for them, LOL.

That's what I'm hoping for as well. We book 1br right at 11 months, sometimes we'll book a studio but usually not more than 3 days. Don't have much interest in VGF2, I'm trying to keep an open mind. Maybe we will end up liking it for shorter stays

 

[BillPA]

I think it's Disney that does NOT want you to cook/heat up anything in the room. They want your money, so you need to go to their over price food options. Simple GREED!

 

[CarolMN]

We book 1br right at 11 months,

So far, except for the first two weeks of December**, 1 bedrooms were available at 11 months and except for first part of January, stayed available until 8 months. Much of the year, they have been available at 7 months. Given many current members' preference for studios, I just don't see enough new buyers preferring the larger accommodations to make 11 month booking of 1 & 2 bedrooms an issue.

We'll see.

FWIW over the last 20+ years on the DIS, almost every change has been greeted with its share of dire predictions. (These are usually driven by fear of not getting what one wants). Few of those predictions have actually come true. We adjust.

**ETA: Even then, if you need to walk, you wouldn't have to start until after Thanksgiving, and it would be a relatively short stroll to the early December dates you need.

 

[s.r.disney nut]

Then, you'll likely not want to book a resort studio.

Others may be closer to your opposite--no interest in reheating/fixing food in their studio.

I see these studios as a welcome move for those hating to cook on vacation.

YMCV (Your mileage clearly varies) Nothing wrong with that.

How do you get cooking from me saying reheating leftovers or snacks?