Question about gay days schedule...

[ObsessedwiththeMouse]

Instead of the Magic I was feeling prior to the start of this thread, in planning my Dream Vacation with my Partner and our daughters, I am once again reminded of the battle we are part of daily. I am reminded that mothers of catholic school daughters don't want to see me kissing the love of my life in moments of happiness, I am reminded that my children get ostrasized by other kids whose parents havn't taken the time to explain differences, or have encouraged hate and mistrust in those explanations.QUOTE]

Wit, I am sorry that you feel that way. Obviously, part of the post was a dig at me.

I have nothing against gay couples/being gay...Nothing. BUT, I do have a problem with forcing it on my children when I don't feel they are age appropriate to try and explain it to. There is a definite distinction for me. Will my daughter someday know what it means to be gay? Sure, she will. I will explain it to her someday....but don't feel that I need to do it today or anytime soon.

Since I don't feel she is old enough to explain it to, I avoid the first week in June.

As a parent, it's EVERYONE'S right on how and when we explain difficult subjects to our children. I guess I don't see how my wanting to wait until she's older is offensive to you.

I hope you and your girls have a wonderful and safe trip.

 

[Wit]

Wit, I am sorry that you feel that way. Obviously, part of the post was a dig at me.

I have nothing against gay couples/being gay...Nothing. BUT, I do have a problem with forcing it on my children when I don't feel they are age appropriate to try and explain it to. There is a definite distinction for me. Will my daughter someday know what it means to be gay? Sure, she will. I will explain it to her someday....but don't feel that I need to do it today or anytime soon.

Since I don't feel she is old enough to explain it to, I avoid the first week in June.

As a parent, it's EVERYONE'S right on how and when we explain difficult subjects to our children. I guess I don't see how my wanting to wait until she's older is offensive to you.

I hope you and your girls have a wonderful and safe trip.

The fact that it has to be a difficult subject makes me feel sad. It isn't a difficult subject. It isn't for a child. Children do not see soemthing as wrong or different until they are TOLD it is wrong or different. The fact is, the younger they are when a child is exposed to ANY different culture makes thier acceptence of it as normal all that easier. It isn't difficult for them, its difficult for us as parents.

Just as difficult as me explaining to my youngest daughter when she was four why the strange people spit on her family. JUST as DIFFICULT explaining to my daughters why the children on thiere school bus said awful things about thier mommies. I didn't have a choice on thier age appropriateness for those discussions. Even if I did, I trust in myself as a parent and trust in my children enough to not change anything.

Never mind....just never mind.

 

[RickinNYC]

Wit, I am sorry that you feel that way. Obviously, part of the post was a dig at me.

I have nothing against gay couples/being gay...Nothing. BUT, I do have a problem with forcing it on my children when I don't feel they are age appropriate to try and explain it to. There is a definite distinction for me. Will my daughter someday know what it means to be gay? Sure, she will. I will explain it to her someday....but don't feel that I need to do it today or anytime soon.

Since I don't feel she is old enough to explain it to, I avoid the first week in June.

As a parent, it's EVERYONE'S right on how and when we explain difficult subjects to our children. I guess I don't see how my wanting to wait until she's older is offensive to you.

I hope you and your girls have a wonderful and safe trip.

Who in God's name is forcing anything on your kid? The only "forcing" I see is you doing so in an effort to protect your child from what you find to be immoral. And by the by, for someone who professes "I have nothing against gay couples/being gay..." you have an incredibly shocking way of illustrating that belief.

It's attitudes like your's that make loving gay ADULT couples not want to hold hands for fear of name calling or worse. I've been together with my partner for 17 years, very very likely much longer than you have with your husband. If you think for a second that I shouldn't hold my partner's hand, give him a simple kiss, or hug him during Wishes, you are sadly mistaken.

For the record, we don't go to Gay Days. So any hand holding, kisses or hugs will occur in front of you and your family on any other day of the year.

Protect your daughter from the real evils of this world. And perhaps teach her the tolerance you claim to have.

It's your responsiblity to raise your daughter, and absolutely NO one else's. If you are incapable of teaching your daughter real and TRUE life lessons, that is no one's problem but your own.

 

[Camno's Mama]

"As a parent, I have a right to decide whether or not I want my child exposed to "PDA's of gays/lesbians". Period. I don't have to explain my decision to anyone."

I agree that it is your choice how to handle your explanations as it is with the OP...the problem I have is that this topic was brought here to this forum. And now people seem to be surprised that it offended some of the other people that frequent this board.

A simple "When are gay days" would have been sufficient. And most people felt the need to express their point of view on the matter rather than just replying with the link.

"I think this discussion should really be closed. The OP has been provided with the link to find the schedule.

There are obviously strong views on both sides, but honestly, it's an old argument that is best left off boards that are meant to help find and live the Magic. "


If someone comes here with the intention, or maybe not even intending to, give their point of view on such a heated topic, then they should be prepared to defend it. Period.

I don't usually like to get into this stuff, but for some reason this really bothered me.

 

[kim_o]

I've been reading this thread and really feel compelled to post in direct response to Wit.

I'm appalled to hear of the things you, your partner, and children face on a daily basis. I understand that there is a lot of bigotry and prejudice out there, but I definitely did not realize grown adults would act like that. I wish you and your family a lifetime of happiness and hope you see better things in this world in the future.

 

[ObsessedwiththeMouse]

The fact that it has to be a difficult subject makes me feel sad. It isn't a difficult subject. It isn't for a child. Children do not see soemthing as wrong or different until they are TOLD it is wrong or different. The fact is, the younger they are when a child is exposed to ANY different culture makes thier acceptence of it as normal all that easier. It isn't difficult for them, its difficult for us as parents.

Just as difficult as me explaining to my youngest daughter when she was four why the strange people spit on her family. JUST as DIFFICULT explaining to my daughters why the children on thiere school bus said awful things about thier mommies. I didn't have a choice on thier age appropriateness for those discussions. Even if I did, I trust in myself as a parent and trust in my children enough to not change anything.

Never mind....just never mind.

Wit, it is a difficult subject to try and explain...I guess when I say difficult, I mean confusing...

I can't even imagine having to deal with what your children do on a day to day basis. Spit? That breaks my heart to read the words that you typed. No child should have to go through being spit on because of their family.

You are absolutely right. That is difficult to try and explain that to your daughters.

Again, I never meant to "offend" and apologize if it came off that way.

 

[ObsessedwiththeMouse]

Who in God's name is forcing anything on your kid? The only "forcing" I see is you doing so in an effort to protect your child from what you find to be immoral. And by the by, for someone who professes "I have nothing against gay couples/being gay..." you have an incredibly shocking way of illustrating that belief.

It's attitudes like your's that make loving gay ADULT couples not want to hold hands for fear of name calling or worse. I've been together with my partner for 17 years, very very likely much longer than you have with your husband. If you think for a second that I shouldn't hold my partner's hand, give him a simple kiss, or hug him during Wishes, you are sadly mistaken.

For the record, we don't go to Gay Days. So any hand holding, kisses or hugs will occur in front of you and your family on any other day of the year.

Protect your daughter from the real evils of this world. And perhaps teach her the tolerance you claim to have.

It's your responsiblity to raise your daughter, and absolutely NO one else's. If you are incapable of teaching your daughter real and TRUE life lessons, that is no one's problem but your own.

First of all, I am not against gay/lesbian couples. In fact, one of my husband's friends from work is gay and he and his partner came over to our home for dinner and a movie. They spent the entire night playing Barbies with our daugther and cars with our son.

You're right, haven't been married to my husband for 17 years....If I had, I would've gotten married at 10 years old. I have been with him 11 years, married for 7.

I am quite capable of teaching my daugther life lessons...WHEN IT'S AGE APPROPRIATE.

 

[Mkrop]

I think this discussion should really be closed. The OP has been provided with the link to find the schedule.

There are obviously strong views on both sides, but honestly, it's an old argument that is best left off boards that are meant to help find and live the Magic.

Instead of the Magic I was feeling prior to the start of this thread, in planning my Dream Vacation with my Partner and our daughters, I am once again reminded of the battle we are part of daily. I am reminded that mothers [/B]of catholic school daughters don't want to see me kissing the love of my life in moments of happiness, I am reminded that my children get ostrasized by other kids whose parents havn't taken the time to explain differences, or have encouraged hate and mistrust in those explanations.

Until you have felt the bite of prejudice, you can't understand, and me trying to explain isn't going to help.

Please dont paint everyone with the same brush. And I am sorry that your family has gone through what you have described

I guess I would just be concerned with crowds in general. If this is an oragnized event I would think that would bring more people into the park in general.

I dont if Gay Days at Disney have more PDAs then other locations but I know I would try to avoid anywhere that had known excessive PDA from ANYBODY.
I would like to shield my children from exceesive PDAs whehter it is homosexual or heterosexual.

I will give two examples where I wont take my kids, one is a particular boardwalk in a shore town bc the PDA is over the top mainly by hetero teens, the other is a town in Cape Cod where I went and the PDAs were over the top with the homosexual group or so it seemed. I aslo think I would probably avoid some of the pool areas during Pop Warner days given some the stories I have heard about there

I dont want my kids exposed to over the top PDAs (not kissing, hand holding or hugging) from anyone anywhere, can I always avoid it no but if I know that it definitely happens then I probably try to avoid it.

 

[Beth E. (NJ)]

I'm locking this thread. The OP's question regarding the dates of Gaydays was answered to the point that she should now be able to find out the information she seeks.

These boards have policies against personal attacks. They will not be tolerated on this thread and board or on any other thread or board here. I can understand a parent wanting to know what to expect before they get to WDW -- after all we all ask all sorts of questions about this attraction, that meal, this resort etc. but these boards won't become a place for gay bashing or bashing the people with questions.

 

[RickinNYC]

First of all, I am not against gay/lesbian couples. In fact, one of my husband's friends from work is gay and he and his partner came over to our home for dinner and a movie. They spent the entire night playing Barbies with our daugther and cars with our son.

You're right, haven't been married to my husband for 17 years....If I had, I would've gotten married at 10 years old. I have been with him 11 years, married for 7.

I am quite capable of teaching my daugther life lessons...WHEN IT'S AGE APPROPRIATE.

And when is it ever age appropriate? My partner did a career switch a couple of years ago. He is now proudly and happily a junior high school English teacher. Although a number of his colleagues are very aware that he's gay and have been introduced to me as his partner, I'm still not included in teacher events when spouses are invited.

We happen to live three blocks from the school in which he teaches. One student lives in the apartment just next door. She came by to drop off homework and we happened to be in our own home, on our own couch, watching our own television, when she rang the doorbell and called out, "Mr. -----? My partner, who'd been leaning on me at the time, cuddled up close on the couch, literally FLEW off the couch for fear that she might have seen him through the window.

We no longer hold hands when walking down the street shopping. We don't do any touching of any kind whatsoever, not even on the shoulder or back. No public hugs. Privately, we don't even cuddle in the living room or den couches any longer, unless the curains are tightly drawn.

Why? Because my partner is absolutely terrified that a student from his school might see him. Worse yet, that a parent might find out he's gay and God forbid, think that having a gay man teach his/her child might not be age appropriate or appropriate at all.

All this after 17+ years of being together.

Any level of "age appropriate" is a cop out.

 

[kim_o]

mkrop - the boardwalk you describe sounds a lot like the seaside boardwalk, near where I grew up!