Queen Camilla

[mumto3girls]

Here's the recent photo I saw where I thought she looked more frail.

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Yes. That’s the picture. Very thin. And now the news that she has COVID. Hopefully she continues with a very mild case.

 

[Turn the Page]

Not many of us are destined to be as fortunate as Betty White. My own DMother lived to be 99 and that was 4 years too long. She was lovely and lucid and robust at 95 but then declined rapidly. Her last years were extremely difficult for everyone, most of all her and I certainly wish a more comfortable and dignified end for QEII.

I do wonder what, if any, protocol or provision there is to retire her against her will if she becomes cognitively incapacitated? I suppose the correct word would be "depose" and it's kind of unthinkable. I think it's time she steps down before any such difficulty is encountered.

A few years ago Charles produced a documentary called "Elizabeth at 90" that largely involved mostly the Queen and Charles but other members of the family as well, watching old home movies and discussing them. I found it super interesting but what really struck me is I noticed multiple times when Charles would be confused about the finer points of whatever video they were watching, location, time period, etc., and the Queen knew all the details. She is really quite sharp and didn't appear to be slipping at all, at that time anyway. It did make me wonder about Charles though.

Fascinating film if you get a chance to watch it I highly recommend it.

 

[lisaviolet]

A few years ago Charles produced a documentary called "Elizabeth at 90" that largely involved mostly the Queen and Charles but other members of the family as well, watching old home movies and discussing them. I found it super interesting but what really struck me is I noticed multiple times when Charles would be confused about the finer points of whatever video they were watching, location, time period, etc., and the Queen knew all the details. She is really quite sharp and didn't appear to be slipping at all, at that time anyway. It did make me wonder about Charles though.

Fascinating film if you get a chance to watch it I highly recommend it.

We are so used to Queen Elizabeth's age and abilities, and Prince Philip's life, that it is easy to forget that both Camilla and Charles are at an age where serious health conditions can come on in an instant.

 

[ronandannette]

We are so used to Queen Elizabeth's age and abilities, and Prince Philip's life, that it is easy to forget that both Camilla and Charles are at an age where serious health conditions can come on in an instant.

Yes. There is actually a chance that Charles' mother might outlive him.

 

[mom2rtk]

We are so used to Queen Elizabeth's age and abilities, and Prince Philip's life, that it is easy to forget that both Camilla and Charles are at an age where serious health conditions can come on in an instant.

I thought he looked pretty bad in recent photos as well. Camilla looked pretty good but I have heard she has emphysema.

 

[nicolita3]

I thought he looked pretty bad in recent photos as well. Camilla looked pretty good but I have heard she has emphysema.

Charles has been looking bad lately, have you noticed his hands? His edema has gotten pretty bad.

 

[snappy]

Same here. We ordered 1/18.

Charles has been looking bad lately, have you noticed his hands? His edema has gotten pretty bad.
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That ring on the left pinkie sure looks like it is on tight.

 

[mom2rtk]

Charles has been looking bad lately, have you noticed his hands? His edema has gotten pretty bad.
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If those aren’t doctored they are very alarming.

 

[nicolita3]

If those aren’t doctored they are very alarming.

I have watched some youtube videos recently of him making public appearances and his hands looked like this, that is what made me google for images. I am aware that videos can be doctored though.

 

[ronandannette]

I thought he looked pretty bad in recent photos as well. Camilla looked pretty good but I have heard she has emphysema.

She very likely could, or more correctly termed COPD these days. Smoking has taken out a large number of the modern Royal Family: King George, his mother Queen Mary, David (Edward), the Duke of Windsor, Princess Margaret, Elizabeth, the Queen Mother and maybe eventually Camilla too. QEII herself and Charles are a very few of the Royals that don't seem to have ever smoked. There is a scene in The Crown where it was noted that one of her very few conditions for Philip was that he quit smoking before they married.

 

[Alicefan]

And for me progressiveness is what I value highly. There's a reason tone-deafness gets put out there. Why would it be a bad thing for a female to be considered in line for the throne? Oh her birth order (which sounds silly in modern times) is wrong..tsk tsk. Divorce used to be such a big no no from the standpoint of both going ahead with it and marrying someone who was but that has adjusted over the years to being less so taboo. Still though there is a viewpoint on being royal and marrying (or wanting to marry) someone who had been divorced.

We don't need a link to living in the past just to have a link to the past. What's more important is relevance to people. For a long time their relevance was more secure..these days people want more, you want to stay relevant you adjust and shift.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about it being a bad thing for a female to be considered? The Queen IS female, and the next Queen would be as well if Charles had been a girl and so on if HE had had girls. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you were getting at? I hear what you're saying, but I honestly think it all falls apart if they try to stay relevant. Then they just become the Kardashians. Again, jmho.

 

[Alicefan]

I am with you on all of that except I can't judge him as a 32 year old man. I want to bash him as a woman and blame him, but I really think he was a victim as well. YES of course he is to blame for his actions, Camilla for her wrongs, Diana for hers as well obviously but the monarchy has not at all been kind to Charles and I find that the older I get the more sympathy I have for him as well. I ache for the upbringing he did not have that Diana did try to give her boys. I am thankful that Diana did at least come along. I think the way she raised the boys and the passage of time has opened up the royal family to more progressive lives and having a touch more freedom.

I felt the same way watching The Crown. It put Charles in a more human light and I found myself sympathizing with him more than I ever thought I would. I had someone from England explain to me that for a lot of people, Diana wasn't as beloved as we American's think she was. She was telling me that Diana was mean to staff and not really a nice person. I don't know how true it is, but it was wild to hear.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about it being a bad thing for a female to be considered? The Queen IS female, and the next Queen would be as well if Charles had been a girl and so on if HE had had girls. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you were getting at? I hear what you're saying, but I honestly think it all falls apart if they try to stay relevant. Then they just become the Kardashians. Again, jmho.

Yeah you were misunderstanding what I was saying (IDK if it was the way I wrote it and that would be my bad)

Charlotte would have been moved down in the line of succession when Louis was born all because she was a female and that was changed. That kind of thinking is true to the past, a living link to the past, that men above women should be rulers. Adjusting that is a way of being progressive.

Then there's the viewpoint of marrying someone who was divorced, while that is still adjusting over time for quite a while it's not been seen as an ultimate taboo.

You say we need a living link to the past and that changing that would not be good except it has been changing over time and smartly the Queen has also realized how the public is viewing them. I don't always agree with things that are done but I can tell that the Queen attempts to balance out her upbringing from long ago and the newer modern way of viewing things.

The fact that you bring up Kardashians makes me think you and I have very different ideas of what it means to stay relevant.

 

[Alicefan]

Charlotte would have been moved down in the line of succession when Louis was born all because she was a female and that was changed. That kind of thinking is true to the past, a living link to the past, that men above women should be rulers. Adjusting that is a way of being progressive.

No, it was my mistake. I never knew that about Charlotte being moved down. I always thought it was first born. Learn something new every day. The Kardashian mention was about trying so hard to stay relevant that you turn into a desperate joke.

 

[SirDuff]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about it being a bad thing for a female to be considered? The Queen IS female, and the next Queen would be as well if Charles had been a girl and so on if HE had had girls. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you were getting at? I hear what you're saying, but I honestly think it all falls apart if they try to stay relevant. Then they just become the Kardashians. Again, jmho.

Only if Andrew and Edward were also female. Otherwise, Andrew would be next in line since male heirs used to "jump over" female heirs.

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

I guess my take is to quote Romeo and Juliet, "what's in a name...?". Of course that's easy for me to say since I am not from UK. It is ironic in a way that this thread has lasted so long on the community board when I would expect it to be on the UK boards. Just goes to show that in our hearts we all live vicariously and " Just can't wait to be king ( or queen as you will). "

 

[snappy]

I guess my take is to quote Romeo and Juliet, "what's in a name...?". Of course that's easy for me to say since I am not from UK. It is ironic in a way that this thread has lasted so long on the community board when I would expect it to be on the UK boards. Just goes to show that in our hearts we all live vicariously and " Just can't wait to be king ( or queen as you will). "

And it just may be all about the clothes and the jewelry/tiaras that the royal females get to wear.

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

And it just may be all about the clothes and the jewelry/tiaras that the royal females get to wear.

I get it but except for Diana and maybe the newer members the clothes are not flattering especially some of the hats. I will agree on the jewelry except for the tiaras. I mean can you imagine wearing one of those to the grocery store LOL

 

[mom2rtk]

I will agree on the jewelry except for the tiaras. I mean can you imagine wearing one of those to the grocery store LOL

I’d be willing to give it a try.

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

I’d be willing to give it a try.

I am just imagining shopping at Costco walking around with a huge pack of toilet paper wearing a crown!!!