PVB Points Chart !

[erionm]

I wish members would get 2014 use year points when they add on today that would be nice.

Since the occupancy dates of the Phase 1 PVB Units are (most likely) 4/1/2015, only those with a June 2014 UY (or later) would get points in their 2014 UY.

Members with a Feb, March or April UY won't get 2014 UY points because their 2014 UY ends prior to the occupancy date of the Units.

 

[erionm]

You'll be able to use them immediately upon closing, but will have to wait until 2/11 to book Poly villas.

Only for check-in dates of 4/1/2015 and later. The occupancy date of the unit controls what the earliest check-in date can be. For Phase 1 PVB units, the occupancy date is most likely 4/1/2015 (the resort opening date).

 

[Unyeah]

Thank you !

Since the occupancy dates of the Phase 1 PVB Units are (most likely) 4/1/2015, only those with a June 2014 UY (or later) would get points in their 2014 UY.

Members with a Feb, March or April UY won't get 2014 UY points because their 2014 UY ends prior to the occupancy date of the Units.

 

[CMOORE185]

Maybe I'm wrong about this, but the resort just reminded me of staying at CBR or POR. As I said in my original posts, yes the rooms are much nicer, but the rest of the resort really reminded me of a mod. As far as amenities, what exactly does SSR have that beats say POR? Both have nice main pools and some quiet pools (SSR maybe has 2 main pools). Maybe the Turf Club is a slightly nicer restaurant, but not sure of that, I haven't eaten at either. Both you can rent bikes and watercraft. Both use mutliple bus stops to get people to the parks. What does SSR give me that POR doesn't outside of the larger rooms of DVC? I'm not saying SSR isn't a nice resort, we enjoyed our stay there, I just don't see it as a "deluxe". Just 'cause they charge deluxe prices doesn't make it so.

I am not sure how DVC members (or Disney for that matter) can claim all DVC resorts are created equal. OKW/SSR are lesser resorts. Just the fact that SSR has the lowest maintenance fees yet also one of the lowest resale values shows that this is how people think. if it were equal, everyone would be clamoring to own SSR.

Sorry to get the thread off topic, but back ON topic, this is partly how DVC can justify current prices for things like VGF and PVB. This is why I really wonder how they will be able to get away with these point prices if they go and expand WLV next. WL is also NOT the same level as VGF/PVB.

They have all the amenities of any other DVC resort unless you are counting location as an amenity. SSR has some of the most beautiful grounds at WDW, they have a golf course, the tree house villas. They have at least three pools, maybe four. They are also walking distance from DTD which some visitors like us go to frequently. The resort is nothing like the moderate resorts, IMO. The rooms that look onto the golf course and the ones that look at DTD are great views IMO.

 

[Minniesgal]

First, I disagree with you on SSR, it is a deluxe resort. The rooms are exactly as all other DVC resorts so you would be basing it strictly on location. Is OKW a moderate style resort as well then? And not sure what you mean by limited amenities? And we will see how well these bungalows rent out, personally I will never pay what I consider outrageous to stay there.

It isn't the rooms that make SSR moderate style it is the lack of amenities. No Signature restaurant, only 1 real restaurant and not open for lunch, no room service, outdoor corridors those sorts of things. Most flexes have about 3 restaurants with lunchtime offerings and a Signature as well. They also have full room services menus and other hotel type services you can pay for if you need. SSR is a beautiful resort I agree but it has very very similar amenities to Port Orleans in fact to me it has always been the DVC Port Orleans.

 

[tjkraz]

It isn't the rooms that make SSR moderate style it is the lack of amenities. No Signature restaurant, only 1 real restaurant and not open for lunch, no room service, outdoor corridors those sorts of things.

What else would go on your list of "those sorts of things?"

Meanwhile here are some of the things found at SSR but NOT at moderates:

- Larger room floorplans with balcony / patio
- Multiple feature pools, quiet pools, water play area, etc.
- Community Hall
- Full service spa
- Golf course clubhouse
- Boat transportation or walk to Downtown Disney
- Basketball court, tennis court, fitness center

French Quarter doesn't have ANY Table Service dining--not lunch, not breakfast, not dinner.

(I'll also note that The Turf Club was open for lunch for many years but apparently not frequented by resort guests. Hard to blame them with dozens of options around the corner at DTD.)

If you want to put SSR and OKW on the low end of the Deluxes, that's fair. But SSR and OKW are superior to Moderates in many more ways than they're inferior to other Deluxes.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It isn't the rooms that make SSR moderate style it is the lack of amenities. No Signature restaurant, only 1 real restaurant and not open for lunch, no room service, outdoor corridors those sorts of things. Most flexes have about 3 restaurants with lunchtime offerings and a Signature as well. They also have full room services menus and other hotel type services you can pay for if you need. SSR is a beautiful resort I agree but it has very very similar amenities to Port Orleans in fact to me it has always been the DVC Port Orleans.

I agree 100%...

And I bought the thing.

We didnt like it at first... We like it better with the pool
Add ons...

And if downtown has alot to do... Particularly food wise...it will increase the merits greatly.

But the location not near a park does take a little off... As does OKW.

The problem is the points...same as beach, boardwalk, or wilderness? More than some ak and bw rooms?
No way... If it was same as OKW you could fill it up...but the chart is off.

That's because it was built with "quick score" money in mind from the housing/credit card stupidity bubble. And overbuilt to suck up as much fake capital as it could.

Saratoga should be half the size and less points... It would be a "quaint" kinda favorite - like OKW is for some.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I don't think of Saratoga as a a "moderate"...


But I do put it down as the "base" dvcs with ak and OKW.

Ak because the theme just has never sold as well as they expected... You can make your own judgements why. Ak is in my top 3...a list that doesn't include the grandiose, poly or A-frame. The place is really fantastic...and you get some varied food - which is a must for a good hotel.

Those three are all fine with me/us...but lack the locations alot of DVC people want.

They love their choo Choos, walking paths, and boats. There is an obvious appeal.

But that said... DVC has zero interest in "going lower"...

In the US at least... There is no demographic to sell it too as the traditional "middle class" is shrinking/being phased out. So far sooner there will be few that fall between "deluxe is fine" and "no way were going"

Look at the numbers...this had been going since 1968:..and was accelerated during "the great liberator" in the 80's and "man of the masses" in the 90's.

 

[disneynutz]

What else would go on your list of "those sorts of things?"

Meanwhile here are some of the things found at SSR but NOT at moderates:

- Larger room floorplans with balcony / patio
- Multiple feature pools, quiet pools, water play area, etc.
- Community Hall
- Full service spa
- Golf course clubhouse
- Boat transportation or walk to Downtown Disney
- Basketball court, tennis court, fitness center

French Quarter doesn't have ANY Table Service dining--not lunch, not breakfast, not dinner.

(I'll also note that The Turf Club was open for lunch for many years but apparently not frequented by resort guests. Hard to blame them with dozens of options around the corner at DTD.)

If you want to put SSR and OKW on the low end of the Deluxes, that's fair. But SSR and OKW are superior to Moderates in many more ways than they're inferior to other Deluxes.

Don't forget EZ walk to Disney Springs via the Congress Park bridge.

Bill

 

[DVC Mike]

How did a discussion of PVB points devolve into a discussion of whether SSR is better than a moderate resort?

 

[Minniesgal]

I agree 100%... And I bought the thing. We didnt like it at first... We like it better with the pool Add ons... And if downtown has alot to do... Particularly food wise...it will increase the merits greatly. But the location not near a park does take a little off... As does OKW. The problem is the points...same as beach, boardwalk, or wilderness? More than some ak and bw rooms? No way... If it was same as OKW you could fill it up...but the chart is off. That's because it was built with "quick score" money in mind from the housing/credit card stupidity bubble. And overbuilt to suck up as much fake capital as it could. Saratoga should be half the size and less points... It would be a "quaint" kinda favorite - like OKW is for some.

I'm not saying for 1 minute that I don't like SSR in fact we have stayed there and we love it.

I'm saying in my opinion the DVC moderate thing we are discussing has already been done.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

How did a discussion of PVB points devolve into a discussion of whether SSR is better than a moderate resort?

Because Saratoga represented a fundamental shift In DVC for everyone?

I agree it's jacking this thread...but at the time it represented like 40% of the total points and eliminated alot of flexibility in booking...which was a key benefit...Maybe the biggest

Now back to the poly (Brady's Hawaiian special... I saw they earlier and love it)

 

[skier_pete]

How did a discussion of PVB points devolve into a discussion of whether SSR is better than a moderate resort?

It's at least partially my fault. Someone brought up that DVC should or would get involved in the moderate resort business. I tried to make the point that there already are DVC resorts that are closer to moderates, yet they charge the same points, why would they bother making a moderate for less points.

Then people got on me for calling SSR a moderate. I don't want to continue arguing that point - SSR is nicer than a moderate, but not as nice as many DVC resorts IMO. (And yes, location IS an amenity! As is quality restaurants! The point about the SPA and golf course are good ones though, and I certainly will agree that SSR is better in general than any mod.)

The point really that they've priced themselves out of ever building another SSR (or OKW or HHI). How can you ask for that point price for that level of resort? But they also can't go back and lower prices. It feels like they are forcing themselves into a box of escalating resort location...as I said, I guess we'll find out if WLV expansion is next, because that is definitely a step down from BLT/VGF/PVB.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It's ok, Sundance...


I know what you meant

 

[gmi3804]

Why should we let some people's views of SSR cloud our judgement? They don't have to stay there if they don't want to if they they think they have "better" options.

I tend to give more credit to the "iconography" of the resorts. CR and Poly ARE WDW for me. Everything else starts as a distant second, even GF. You can keep the seashore theming of YC/BC/BW as far as I'm concerned. Have you seen a studio at BWV? I think they're drab, dark, and depressing.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Why should we let some people's views of SSR cloud our judgement? They don't have to stay there if they don't want to if they they think they have "better" options.

I tend to give more credit to the "iconography" of the resorts. CR and Poly ARE WDW for me. Everything else starts as a distant second, even GF. You can keep the seashore theming of YC/BC/BW as far as I'm concerned. Have you seen a studio at BWV? I think they're drab, dark, and depressing.

Ok...but I'm not sure what your saying here?

 

[gmi3804]

Ok...but I'm not sure what your saying here?

I believe there are no absolutes when it comes to opinions. You (or I) can express our preferences, but in the end that's all they are.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I believe there are no absolutes when it comes to opinions. You (or I) can express our preferences, but in the end that's all they are.

Too each his own? Ok...I got it

 

[Syndrome]

How did a discussion of PVB points devolve into a discussion of whether SSR is better than a moderate resort?

Agreed ............

 

[AnnaS]

Thank you again Mike.

I know I can't explain or elaborate as well as others here -

I know I can't compare WDW (Parks, other dvc resorts to choose) & Vero (beach).

You need to own at Vero to stay in one of the cottages for sure. Maybe it's a whole other discussion too, but curious if the Vero cottages (compared to Vero's studios) have the same crazy difference as the Poly Studios and bungalows. Of course the cottages are not in demand all year too (I think) but again not comparing Poly with Vero but Poly studios/Bungalows and Vero Studios/Cottages.

Not sure if I just made any sense at all - but regardless just want to say that after looking at the chart for the bungalows - I think Disney has gone "nuts"

(Now I am going to go and look up the chart for the cottages).