PVB connecting room Category? Possibility?

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I was just reading another thread that mentioned the reason for not selecting PVB as their home resort is the lack of 1BR. This put a thought in my head :

First off are there any lock-off rooms at Poly or are they strictly studios? I have never stayed there so i don't know for sure. There seems to be a lock off from the room pictures.

I am wondering couldn't DVC create another category of rooms - and have a lock off category where you would secure 2 adjoining rooms under one reservation - obviously the points would be higher and probably more than most 2BR (but less than the bungalows) . They managed to make new room categories for SSR so why couldn't they do that at Poly? This would help eliminate the worry or need to book 2 studios if traveling w/ more than 5 and just hoping to get rooms close together.
 
all the rooms I have stayed in are lock off.

why - right now for each studio (they are all studios in the hotel part) they can charge the full point price - so would not except that to change. when you make the reservation just say you want the two studios to be connecting - should not even be a problem. or after you make the reservation online - just call MS and tell them to put the rooms together.
 
It would require points realignment. Points cannot be created or destroyed once a resort is for sale.
 
It would require points realignment. Points cannot be created or destroyed once a resort is for sale.
If they were priced 2x a studio that wouldn't be needed.
(FWIW, a 2BR lockoff may be different points than when the same unit is booked as seperate 1BR and Studio... It somehow works out)

Overall it makes little sense why connecting isn't a guaranteed category given how every other resort can move around 2br lockoff and 1br+ studio...

And to the orginal question, I think there are <10 dedicated studios in all of Poly..the vast majority are connecting.
 

It would require points realignment.

I understand that as that is exactly what they did at SSR. I guess with a points realignment it could bring down the points cost for the bungalows.


when you make the reservation just say you want the two studios to be connecting

As far as I have ever heard - room requests are not a guarantee. And you would need to have 1 adult listed on each room. If it happened to be one adult (probably doesn't happen too often) who wanted to travel with a number of children under the age of 18 then this wouldn't be an option.
 
It would require points realignment. Points cannot be created or destroyed once a resort is for sale.

well they can change their minds - some of the MK views at BLT - were made standard views are a tons of complaints - it was surpost to be 50% or higher view of the MK - but the bottom floors (which are the ones that were moved) it was like 30% - and mostly parking lot.

Now if Polyn does sell out - maybe DVC will build one or two bedrooms villa. although with the bungalows there - they might now.

they did the same thing at BWV (added standard views - but my point chart always had standard views)

at SSR - they also changed some of the building and higher/lower some of the building. but it has to be a BIG problem.
 
well they can change their minds - some of the MK views at BLT - were made standard views are a tons of complaints - it was surpost to be 50% or higher view of the MK - but the bottom floors (which are the ones that were moved) it was like 30% - and mostly parking lot.

Yes. This was a realignment of points. Once the resort goes on sale, they cannot create or destroy points. Points can be moved around between all of the rooms that make up the resort. What they did in the BLT case was some rooms were reclassified and the extra points that were left over were reallocated to all of the room categories. Basically, because some of the rooms became much cheaper to book, all of the room categories became a tiny bit more expensive overall.
 
I bet they were going to do a connecting category ... Until someone in sales saw the chart with "Deluxe Connecting Studio - Sleeps 10" for 50% fewer points than a "Bungalow -Sleeps 8"

Hopefully they add back the connecting category after sales end.

50% or much, much more
Magic season would be 398/week for connecting vs 1174 for a bungalow :O
 
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Yes. This was a realignment of points. Once the resort goes on sale, they cannot create or destroy points. Points can be moved around between all of the rooms that make up the resort. What they did in the BLT case was some rooms were reclassified and the extra points that were left over were reallocated to all of the room categories. Basically, because some of the rooms became much cheaper to book, all of the room categories became a tiny bit more expensive overall.
And the same was true at BWV and SSR. The total points for the resort cannot change; what shifts is how many points for what units in what seasons. Total is net-zero change.
 
I was just reading another thread that mentioned the reason for not selecting PVB as their home resort is the lack of 1BR. This put a thought in my head :

First off are there any lock-off rooms at Poly or are they strictly studios? I have never stayed there so i don't know for sure. There seems to be a lock off from the room pictures.

I am wondering couldn't DVC create another category of rooms - and have a lock off category where you would secure 2 adjoining rooms under one reservation - obviously the points would be higher and probably more than most 2BR (but less than the bungalows) . They managed to make new room categories for SSR so why couldn't they do that at Poly? This would help eliminate the worry or need to book 2 studios if traveling w/ more than 5 and just hoping to get rooms close together.

Sure, they could easily decide to make it a booking category and no rigmarole to go thru at all.

But 2 connecting studios is not a 1 BR. A 1br has washer/dryer, kitchen, King bed and some have 2 full bathrooms which means 2 toilets in addition to 2 showers and 2 sinks.

The request of 2 connecting rooms does need to be considered just a request although it seems to be virtually a guarantee. However, it still won't provide the same amenities as the larger villas and I think that's often the issue.
 
Of the 360 Poly studios, only two are stand-alone. All others connect in pairs (there are none where you can connect three or more together).

When Poly was announced, Disney provided points per night figures for the standard studio, lake view studio, and bungalow. It did not provide any lower total number for connecting studios and thus when Disney announced it had already decided and everyone knew that there was not going to be a booking category for connecting studios where the total points needed was less than the total for two separate studios. Moreover, that is not something anyone should hope will ever happen in the future. I am not even convinced that a reallignment of points is even possible. Other reallignments allowed point totals applicable to total possible reservation of rooms during the year to remain the same, i.e., in prior realignments, Disney did one or more of the following: lower points for a season while raising them in another, lower points for some identifiable rooms while raising them for other separate rooms, lowering points needed for certain nights of the week while raising them for other nights. If you tried to reallign to allow for a lower cost of connecting studios, you would be trying to realign points between the same rooms, for the same nights, during the same seasons. Maybe someone who is better at math than I can figure out how it could be done, but even if it can be done. it is highly unlikely to ever happen.


What many did believe or hope would happen at the time Poly was announced was that Disney would create a booking category for two connecting studios at a point cost that equalled the total of two separate studios, so that families could be guaranteed connecting studios. Why it did not do that is unknown. The result is that getting connecting studios is highly probable when you request it because all but two connect, but it is still not guaranteed.
 
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If you tried to reallign to allow for a lower cost of connecting studios, you would be trying to realign points between the same rooms, for the same nights, during the same seasons. Maybe someone who is better at math than I can figure out how it could be done, but even if it can be done. it is highly unlikely to ever happen.

While I've been more assuming of the idea they would just create the booking category to guarantee the connecting studios where the points combined are the same as booking 2 studios seperately - example was adding the HH category for OKW - I think there has to be a little more play in the points. What makes me think that is BWV with only lock-offs for 2BR's. They do not set aside any strictly for 2BR booking so it's a flowing number with different points depending on if you're booking as a 2BR or if you're booking the 1BR and studio separately. Or, perhaps they might need to bump up the studio only point requirements by a point or two in order to add a lower cost connecting guarantee or vice versa. More for connecting than stand alone studios.

But, easiest is just a booking category - ala HH at OKW.
 
While I've been more assuming of the idea they would just create the booking category to guarantee the connecting studios where the points combined are the same as booking 2 studios seperately - example was adding the HH category for OKW - I think there has to be a little more play in the points. What makes me think that is BWV with only lock-offs for 2BR's. They do not set aside any strictly for 2BR booking so it's a flowing number with different points depending on if you're booking as a 2BR or if you're booking the 1BR and studio separately. Or, perhaps they might need to bump up the studio only point requirements by a point or two in order to add a lower cost connecting guarantee or vice versa. More for connecting than stand alone studios.

But, easiest is just a booking category - ala HH at OKW.

I thought when it was announced and still think now that Poly should have a booking category that guarantees connecting studios. It would provide the comfort level that many need to make a reservation when their group is, for example, two parents and 4 kids, all over 3 years old. The probability is high to get connecting rooms when requested but many need certainty to feel comfortable making the reservation. And Disney could easily do that without changing the total points by just charging double the points of a single room. And it should not be hard to do that in the system because its IT department, which has proven itself to have much to be desired, even accomplished that option for 2BR lock-offs.

What I have never been clear on is what Disney actually did on point totals when dealing with 2BR lock-offs such as at BWV. The rule is the total number of points for the resort cannot be more than it would take to reserve all the rooms for a year (actually a chosen base year for each particular resort when it went on sale). How does it work when the 2BR lock-offs cost less per night than the separate studio and 1BR. There seems to be three options:

(a) Disney came up with total points to sell based on the concept that all the lock-offs would be occupied as a studio and 1BR during the year. If so, that would seem to cause a legal violation of selling more points than rooms available for the year because many of those lock-offs will be reserved as 2BRs at the lower point cost and it is unreasonable to assume, when creating total points to sell, that the rooms would never be occupied as lower point 2BRs.

(b) Disney instead applied the studio and 1BR per night points only to the dedicated rooms of those sizes when determining total points to sell. and used the 2BR point totals for all the lock-offs to determine points to sell for those. You would have no legal issue because the overuse of points to reserve the lock-offs as studios and 1BRs would result in rooms still being open for the year after all points are used.

(c) Perhaps Disney used some reasonable estimate of probable use and thus determined total points to sell by assuming the lock-offs would sometimes be occupied as 2BRs and other times as higher total point cost studios and 1BRs. That might legally fit into the rule that total points cannot exceed what it would take to reserve all rooms for the year, but I not sure it would meet legal requirements or that a "reasonable" estimate of use in a base year can even be done.

Bottom line is I do not know what Disney did when determining total points to sell when the resort has 2BR lock-offs. What we do know is that total points at Poly were determined based on the assumption that all studios would always be reserved as single studios and did not assume at the time that there could be a lower per room cost option if you got connecting studios, i.e., option (a) above. It cannot now create a lower per room point cost for a connecting studio while leaving the point costs for the studios as single rooms the same as they are now without creating a legal issue of having too many points chasing too few rooms for the year. Perhaps Disney could raise the points needed for studios as single rooms for every night of the year and offer the lower point option for connecting rooms, but that would require an option (c) analysis to make an estimate first as to how often rooms would be reserved as separate studios and as connecting studios, and again I am not sure that can be done. It does not have option (b) because it created total points for studios based on the assumption there would be no lower point cost option.
 
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I think they could do that if they want and have a certain number set aside for that category and then if someone books two and they can't get the booking category, they still have a chance of being next to each other or close. It would make a lot of sense to allow this to happen...well, at least if they wanted to ease the worry of those needing two that are together...
 
The big wigs decided that a room category was not necessary. Based on hotel occupancy, there was not enough demand for a separate room category.

There is already precedence for making a separate category. OKW made the rooms near the Commodore House a separate category without raising the points.
 
What I have never been clear on is what Disney actually did on point totals when dealing with 2BR lock-offs such as at BWV.
Could one tell from the declarations? If some units have different mixes of dedicated/lockoff rooms, it could be done with as few as two different unit configurations, I think.
 
There is already precedence for making a separate category. OKW made the rooms near the Commodore House a separate category without raising the points.
And they split BWV-Preferred into Boardwalk and Pool view, same points.

I would think that the bigger issue is that you have to time two connecting units to be available at the same time. It's like reserving both pieces of a lock-off -- what are the chances that the two pieces connect?
 
And they split BWV-Preferred into Boardwalk and Pool view, same points.

I would think that the bigger issue is that you have to time two connecting units to be available at the same time. It's like reserving both pieces of a lock-off -- what are the chances that the two pieces connect?

With all but 2 studios connecting to another studio at PVB, actually pretty good! Certainly possible for the room assignor to do pretty well at it.
 
Could one tell from the declarations? If some units have different mixes of dedicated/lockoff rooms, it could be done with as few as two different unit configurations, I think.

Thank you for the brilliant suggestion. Also, thank you for not pointing out what an idiot I am for not having thought of doing that for so long (I took care of telling myself that several times). Sometimes, one does not see the forest for the trees.

I have checked many BWV units both standard and preferred. There are a number that are easily comparabl, including because some consist of two 2BRs and others consist of two dedicated 1BRs and two dedicated studios; also some are just 1BRs. Moreover you can determine total salable points applicable to the unit (and thus total points applicable to a 2BR and to a studio and 1BR, by using figures from any deed for the unit since it provides the percentage of ownership in the unit the member has and the number of points equalling that percentage. Using point charts, you can also estimate total points needed to reserve a 2BR for the entire year and to reserve both a studio and 1BR for the entire year.

Here is what it appears Disney actually did. There is no per room difference between number of salable points applicable to standard view and preferred. The saleable points for any 2BR lock-off are about 17,340. The salable points applicable to a combination of a dedicated studio and dedicated 1BR are about 17,340 points. When you compare the approximate points needed to reserve all 2BRs, dedicated 1BRs, and dedicated studios for a year, both standard and preferred, from the point charts to the total salable points for the 2BRs, dedicated studios and dedicated 1BRs, the totals are close to each other when you assume the 2BRs are reserved only as 2BRs throughout the year.

(Note the above is a correction of what I had earlier and results from actually finding more and better information
 
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