Put it all on a CC?

:hug::hug::hug::hug:

This might have something to do with my sense of urgency to take this trip. I am not sick, but have a bad family history. My father died at 42 of a massive heart attack (brought on by his lifestyle, heavy drinker/smoker), my mother survived a stroke at 53 (she weighed 98 pounds, never drank/smoked, had low blood pressure). So part of me always feels like my days are numbered.

I've just added you to my prayer list. Have a blast at WDW with your precious daughters. :wizard:
Kind of veering off the main topic here but I just want to offer you some words of encouragement. My grandfather died of a massive heart attack at the age of 60 after several years of heart problems. My grandmother had died two years earlier at the age 50...breast cancer. My father has enjoyed good health until this last year. He is 83 and still living independently. Ill health in our parents does not always foreshadow our own deaths or medical conditions.
 
I think you should wait until summer 2015. If you take your daughter as a graduation gift, I think it would make the trip more special than a pre-senior year trip. This would be a great time to have that big family trip and save the money to do so. If you went this summer, then you may feel you have to scrimp to come up with some sort of graduation gift, even though you already have given it.

You could also figure out your budget for your lowest cost option, a middle of the road and an ideal option. Start saving and see what you can sack away. If you aren't where you want to be push it off til the next year.

Last summer, we had our fully funded, but uber budget Disney vacation money saved. Kitty got really sick and it took all that money to get him well. While it was disappointing to have to postpone, we had to for a year. No shame in that. Besides it sounds that you have given your girls some amazing opportunities and experiences, especially this summer.
 
I was in the same boat several years ago. I decided to go and it was so worth it. The memories are priceless.
btw not sure if you already know but the Swan has a special nurse/teacher rate. I am a nurse and just had to show a pay stub to get the rate.
 
Kind of veering off the main topic here but I just want to offer you some words of encouragement. My grandfather died of a massive heart attack at the age of 60 after several years of heart problems. My grandmother had died two years earlier at the age 50...breast cancer. My father has enjoyed good health until this last year. He is 83 and still living independently. Ill health in our parents does not always foreshadow our own deaths or medical conditions.

And can have you making some bets that can work out poorly. I have a friend nearing retirement who hasn't saved a dime - his dad died young. He can't afford to retire, can't afford to live off social security.
 

Tough choice! I agree with the meet in the middle folks. Need to celebrate some, but put as little on the CC as possible.
 
Second, my unexpected expenses this summer were not as trivial as school supplies. My mother is in an assisted living facility, and there have been some out-of- pocket expenses there (we had to pay over $3000 for a couple of ambulance trips to the ER, for example) that my brothers and I split. Also, my younger DD was invited to participate in a workshop sponsored by a couple of Broadway performers --- a very prestigious opportunity, but it was rather costly. I decided to go ahead and pay for her to do it (since in another DIS thread, I was called a "jerk of a mother" for not doing everything in my powers to help her pursue her dreams, LOL!). Last but not least, my older daughter signed up for 3 Gemini classes at school, and that was an extra $440 that I had not budgeted for.

This is where I would absolutely think that I need to not take the trip. Those unexpected expenses that you spent extra on could come back next summer too. Or, those expenses could hit again next month, while you're still smarting from the first set of unexpected expenses. Until you have a decent emergency fund built back up, I wouldn't be thinking about vacations (unfortunately).

Third, I actually do have a payment option in mind. For the year(s) before we go, I'm planning on taking money that used to go payments that I no longer have (braces, refrigerator/stove that quit on me last year, and cc that I paid off), and putting the money into a special account. After the trip, I'll continue to use that money to pay off the cc.

This is a good idea for sure! But just IMO that money should be diverted to an emergency fund that can help with unexpected costs in the future - costs associated with applying for college, or unexpected sickenesses/surgeries, or even your Mom). Then once you have a few thousand put away in it, you can start looking at saving for that trip!

As for my "few department store cards with less than $500 on them" -- wow, did you guys jump all over that! I just looked them up for you, so here you go: Kohls is the highest at $427, Old Navy is next with $213, and Macys is the only other one with $170. Once I start getting regular paychecks again, I will be able to pay those down with no problem.

Yes, on a budget board we would jump on that. You already have over $800 in debt, so adding to it without paying that off first doesn't seem like the best decision. I'm glad to hear that you will be able to pay them off again quickly though!

I'm still planning on taking the trip, but just not sure exactly when. I was raised by a single mom who made less than $12K a year, and didn't even have a car for most of my childhood; and I never ever ever went on a family vacation. And guess what --- it DID matter! I feel like I really missed out. I know it wasn't my mom's choice, but I *do* have a choice to have these great adventures with my precious daughters while they're still home with me, and I choose to do it.

I was raised by a single mom too. At some points, she had to work three jobs to keep us above water (she had only a high school education). For most of my childhood we had spent many many weeks at Disney, at the lake, camping, etc., but once the divorce happened we were struggling all the time. We went on two Disney trips in 8 years - and those were only because she was entitled to some special one-time sums of money from my Dad on those two occasions.

One Christmas when I was 15, we only had two presents under the tree - one small one from her to me, and one small one from me to her. I still remember that dearly as one of the most fun and wonderful holidays we ever had. It's the people that make the memories, not the places. She had a savings in place so that we would be taken care of if there were any emergencies (and there WERE, including an unexpected surgery for both of us) - would I have liked to take that money and go to Disney?? YOU BETCHA!!! Would it have been the responsible thing to do? No way, ever.

Nothing we say will change your mind, so I wish you the very best time with your kids while you prepare for one of them to move away and start their adult life! Good luck to you!
 
I completely understand wanting to give your daughter this big trip. I think it makes more sense to do it 2015 when she actually graduates. Getting ready for college wont take as much time as you think. So much of the getting ready happens during the school year with applying, writing papers, etc... I think you should do it in 2015 for two reasons.1-You will have the money saved better and be in a better position afterwards. You can skip any trip in 2014 and it won't seem as hard because you will all know what is coming. That also gives you two Christmas's and two birthdays to give Disney or Universal spending money for presents.
2-Because that is when she actually will be graduating! If you do her big blow-out Senior trip BEFORE she even has senior year then it almost changes the feel of the trip. Knowing myself, I'd end up still doing something that next summer because I would feel like celebrating and then Id convince myself she only graduates from high school once, etc...I also think you will start getting more sentimental that actual LAST summer and will get more emotionally from the trip.
Either way---I do agree that there are some things worthy of splurging. I think you should for sure do the trip but don't max out your cards or anything because once college starts there are all sorts of unexpected costs that come. Maybe you could explain the situation to her and let her pick what is most important to her regarding the trip. She will learn so much through this process and will see that even if someone's heart wants to give the world, that sometimes that is not possible without sacrificing.
 
I will also be very unpopular for saying this but honestly, life is too short to live every moment worried. Clearly if this will cause you to be unable to eat or pay the mortgage then don't do it... But I am of the mantra that "you can't take it with you" so live while you can and make memories!

Your kids will remember it! My DD doesn't ever talk about the fact that we never owned a home until just last year and lived the apartment life until then but she remembers that we splurged to take her on those Disney trips whenever we could... Sometimes that ended in having a credit card balance for a few months and sometimes not but at the end of the year or so the credit card debt was gone and the pictures were still on the walls!

Enjoy!!
That all being said, we were planning a big trip for her 8th grade graduation at the Poly and the cruise, we have cut down significantly after analyzing the costs and decided on 6 nights in February at Wilderness lodge instead..... But that has a lot more to do with being homeowners and having bigger responsibilities then it does with being afraid to carry a credit card balance. You sound hard working and responsible with money so go enjoy your family!
 
It sounds like you have your mind made up anyway, but (food for thought) we just found out yesterday that one of our neighbor's who goes to WDW every year now has their house in foreclosure. Of course no one thinks it could happen to them and they were sure they would get back on their feet any month now, but it is a rude awakening as to what can occur when families spend beyond their means.
 
I would suggest to check out Southwest Vacations for deals including air and Universal on-site resorts. More specifically, check out Royal Pacific. You can walk to the parks, or take the boat ride. All staying in the room will receive "VIP" go to the front of the line as much as you like. I would cut out Disney for this trip. Cutting out Disney and making it a Universal only trip will bring your total trip cost way down. Last year, for an example, we got Club Level room at Royal Pacific and air for 4 nights at $1450 out of Albany, NY. This was for 3 people. The park tickets are much less expensive than Disney but the park tickets were bought at undercover tourists (not included in the $1450).

You'll have plenty to do at Universal. If you've never been to Universal be warned the rides are more intense than Disney rides. My stomach can't take most of the rides, but I'm happy just walking the park and drinking the Harry Potter Butter Beer.

So I guess I'm thinking start saving, cut back on Christmas, and keep checking Southwest Vacations. Mousesavers.com keeps a pretty good tab on these deals when they come out. I hope you're able to go.
 
I would also suggest waiting until she graduates. The last year of HS is crazy hectic and there is so much to focus on that, that you won't be able to put your all into that and a vaca. If you are looking for saving money how about couponing? I have couponed my way to house of mouse the past 3 years. On average I save $300 per grocery trip ( I shop once a month now and I pay about $300 per trip). I take the coupons savings and bank it in an acct for Disney. I also bank any retail savings along the way. I also shop sites that give me cash back so that goes into the acct. It sounds like alot of work but i really only devote a few hours a month to collecting coupons and getting my shopping list together. This pays for my air and tix including the park hopper for 2 or 3 of us. I also try to go when there is free dining as that makes a big difference. I stay at the value resort and never have to worry bout a big cc bill facing me when I get back. A debt free vacation is the best feeling in the world,:banana:
 
Have you really looked at all the budget ways to make the trip happen in 2014? From reading through the posts it seems like you really want to do it then, if possible. I can understand that.

If it was me I would choose between Disney and Universal and make it all about that experience. We don't like to mix Disney and Universal anyway, we like them to be separate vacations. Lets say you pick Universal, choose ways to maximize the experience. :wizard: For example, if you stay one night at a Universal hotel, which would be the splurge, you can maximize your time with front of line access for two days at Universal. :goodvibes I suggest Royal Pacific. Maybe stay somewhere very budget within an hour of the parks the night before you arrive and the night after you leave? This way you can maximize your time in the parks both days. I would also check out HP books on CD from the library and listen to them on the drive there, when tired of the books pop in a CD of HP music. Build the experience from the moment you get in the car. If you don't care about FOTL, then stay somewhere less expensive offsite and stay two nights, with 3 days in the parks :)

Pack a cooler and groceries for the drive down and eat out of it on the way down, and for breakfast and supper. Eat a nice meal in the park for lunch time both days, Three Broomsticks one day and hopefully the new restaurant in the new HP experience at the Studios (Leaky Cauldron or Florean Fetescue's). Three broomsticks was actually fairly reasonable and very good!

Then if it is possible, she does Disney with her classmates or you do a budget Disney trip in a few more years?

IMHO, I think adjusting the trip to something very reasonable (2 or 3 days at Universal) is better than choosing between not at all or a big blowout dual experience trip that goes entirely on a cc!
 
DD19 is starting her junior year of college TOMORROW (and how did THAT happen :confused3 ), but we found that the summer between junior and senior years of high school was much more hectic than the summer after high school graduation. We spent the "in between" summer taking road trips to look at colleges, researching those we couldn't visit, etc. DD was busy starting on the Common Application, and making lists of all the things different schools required: SOme just the Common App, some required a supplemental app, additional essays, recording deadlines for financial aid, early decision, early acceptance, etc. The summer before senior year, and right up until Christmas OF senior year, was the busiest time ever! Second semester of senior year settled down to a waiting game: Waiting to see who accepted her, waiting to hear about audition and financial aid decisions, waiting for graduation (because grades still had to be maintained). AFTER graduation, all DD really did was work part time, attend a dance intensive and a dance workshop, and pack for college- which, as she is a list-maker, wasn't all that time-consuming.

OP, I'd plan for June 2015, as soon as school is over. This can be a graduation present, and you'll have more time to save/prepay. And HECK yes, I'd put the balance on a credit card, as long as the interest rate was low and I had a plan for regular payoffs. While I disdain the "YOLO" attitude, there is something to be said for balance, and being able to enjoy your time with your daughters. Honestly, the $1500 (or whatever) you spend reasonably now is worth so much in memories, especially with your oldest going off to college. Besides, who is to say that budgeting for something you want, then responsibly using credit for the balance and then paying it off on schedule (if not in advance) isn't setting a good example for your kids, and teaching them to live up to their responsibilities and manage credit wisely?
 
leebee said:
We found that the summer between junior and senior years of high school was much more hectic than the summer after high school graduation.

Entirely agree. I just graduated and this summer between high school and college was extremely uneventful for myself and peers. More of a waiting game. There really isn't anything you need "to get prepared" for college. You either are or you aren't, and literally a weekend of shopping is all you need.

Take the trip after graduation.
 
One more thing to consider is the timing of the Harry Potter expansion. I believe it is supposed to be complete in 2014, but I am not certain. I do know that this will only make the parks that much more crowded when that opens. So if it is, indeed completed in 2014 it may be better to wait until 2015 unless you are definitely going to stay on property and take advantage of the "perks".

In 2011 I took my DD and her BFF on a Universal trip for thier 16th bday's. We stayed at the Hardrock, but we had packed plenty of snacks and breakfast foods to minimize some costs. They are both huge HP fans, that is why we did this, they read every book and saw every movie together. They were both supremely underwhelmed with WWoHP. We had a fun trip, but definitely did not need more than 3 days for it. As a previous poster stated, most of thier rides are just "motion intense" and even though we did them all once, there were not many that we wanted to do again.

As far as the original question of whether or not to charge it, only you know what your options are if something catastophic were to happen while you are carrying a large credit card balance (illness,job loss etc). You are the only one who can decide where your breaking point would be, but I certainly would be leaning towards 2015 if it were me.
 
OP, not to encourage you more, but we recently got a Capital One Venture card for our Med cruise because they are the only cc company I've heard of that doesn't charge any international fees. My SWA & Disney visa, both by Chase, charge 3% fees for any transaction outside of the USA.
Anyway, there's no annual fee and it did offer interest free for the first year which means you could really pay it down quickly. Also if you spend $1000 in a certain timeframe, you get bonus points besides the points accrued for spending. When you cash in your points, the dollar equivalent is deducted from your statement. I called to ask if it could be a Disney hotel, and not just a typical chain hotel that offers frequent stay programs. I was told really you can cash in points from any spending on your acct. It can even be from putting gas in your car or buying groceries, not just travel.

I'll see if I still have the link. :goodvibes


http://www.capitalone.com/credit-ca...MMQC4S&TargetPageName=VentureOne+Card+Details
 
I'm seeing that you haven't taken a vacation since 2007? In that case, I'd do it. It's not the same as the people who constantly live beyond their means and end up in foreclosure. I'm totally biased--I was raised by a single mom and we had two big vacations in my life. The second one, when I was 16, was to Disney and the beach. She did it cheaply (we drove 14 hours, spent three days at Disney staying in a very crappy offsite hotel, 4 at the beach) but she had to put it on a CC. It took her I think 5 years to pay off a cheap vacation and she still says it was worth every penny.

I think it was an awesome trip, enjoyed it, will remember it forever (I'm almost 40) and agree with her that it was worth the sacrifice. DH and I are living on a small income and are committed to staying CC balance free but we have the luxury of a MIL who takes us on a nice vacation every year. In your position, I'd put it on a CC and just take as long as you need to pay it off.
 
Well, coming from a Mom with a College Freshman and a High School Senior (I also have a 6th grader... all girls, btw).... I'd say go after her Graduation. We didn't go this summer, or last summer... we went at Christmas last year. It was our kinda 'last hurrah' as a family with all of our girls still technically 'ours'. Right after the trip, our oldest turned 18, then she graduated in May. For us, there were A LOT of expenses during her Senior Year.... but not all that much afterwards, meaning this past summer, in preparation for College. She has a job, and financial aide, so college is covered for her.... SO, for my second DD, all the High School senior stuff will be long over with before we take our trip next August. Her college will also be covered with a grant and/or financial aide and her money from her part time job.

I guess what I am saying is, if you go after she graduates, all the Senior Year expenses will be over with (senior pictures, yearbook, cap and gown, prom dress, announcements, party, gift... all of which totalled about $1200 for us, with the pictures being the biggest expense)... and you should have more disposable income (at least that was the case with us).

We have a trip planned for the second week of August 2014.... it's booked already, and we've started paying on it. My oldest DD is paying for her park ticket and the extra $15 per night charge for the extra adult in the room... we are paying the rest. We should have the package paid off in the spring, then will start saving up for 'other' expenses... meals, gas, hotels on drive, shopping, etc. We may charge a few things.... probably the gas and hotels, to get the points. I have no shame in doing that..... We will be paying for most of the trip with cash.

That said, we have used credit for other trips... and paid it off afterwards. Our Christmas trip last year was our Christmas gift for our family...we didn't exchange gifts with ANYONE last year... we didn't even get a tree... all to have the $$ to take that once in a lifetime Christmas WDW trip. We took A LOT of crap from A LOT of people about it... they just didn't get it, or understand... but that didn't matter to us. It was what we ALL wanted, so we went for it! We charged a few things on that trip as well, but paid cash for most of it.

It's NOT the end of the world to use a Credit Card to pay for vacation expenses..... We have trips full of memories that none of us will EVER forget... some paid with Credit cards.

Bottom line... do what YOU want to do. Do what works for you and your family. If it's worth it to you, then go for it.
 












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