Puppy Farms in Pennsylvania?

imsorry

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I know we've all been told not to buy dogs from pet stores. Someone told me that you can go to Pennsylvania and buy direct from a breeder and it is much less money.

Does anyone know if this is legitimate? The person who told me was just someone walking a dog, and I can't remember the name of the place. Her dog was an adorable Havapoo - half poodle, half havanese. It was adorable and seemed happy and healthy.

Just asking a question - not looking to start any kind of debate. Thanks!
 
Puppy Farms in PA are HORRIBLE. That is where the pet stores buy their dogs. Do a google search and you will read all sorts of horror stories.
 
You will not pay less money buying from a "real" breeder - sounds like a puppy mill to me!
 

Get a Dog Fancy Magazine and there are tons of breeders listed in the back. Then google them.
Now all that being said. Our last addition to the family came from a puppy store! But she is thankfully healthy and a GREAT dog. She had just been brought into the store that day and we couldn't stand for her to spend one night there. So now she is driving us crazy.
Where are you located? There are breeders of most breeds all over the state. There are some reputable breeders in PA too.
 
You shouldn't buy from a pet store because of the chance you're buying a puppy from a puppy mill. If you are looking for a puppy at a "puppy farm" in PA, you might actually be looking at a puppy mill. Something about the laws there? They are lax. As somone mentioned, many puppies at pet stores come from puppy mills based in PA.
 
Lots of puppymills in Lancaster county PA, be careful and get references if you go this route.
 
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In recent years Pennsylvania has joined Missouri and Kansas as prime puppy mill country. The only difference between the dogs you describe and the ones in the pound are a cute website and the fact that the puppymiller has cut the middlemen (the broker and the store) out of the deal.

You can get a mixed breed pup of virtually any combination at a local shelter, and will be able to see in person how healthy and mentally and emotionally stable it is before adopting it. Genetic health will still be a crapshoot, but you will be saving a life, which is no small thing.

Interestingly, the Amish have taken on dog breeding as another cash crop and supply many of the pet stores in the Northeast. They view the dogs as livestock and treat them accordingly. This may or may not make things better than they are in the commercial mills in the midwest. Because of the insular nature of the communities, it's even harder to see what conditions are for the dogs kept there.

A true "breeder" is someone who has devoted their life to a breed -- she shows her dogs to have them evaluated for quality by third parties, she knows the health and temperament history going back generations on the dogs in the pedigree, and performs extensive (and expensive) health testing to rule out carrying any potential screenable genetic diseases forward into the future.

I'm not a small dog person, but there are genetic diseases in pretty much every breed of dog (and with a mix you can double up on the variety of things to be worried about). Someone who is devoted to the breed will be testing parents and eliminating dogs from the gene pool who carry an identifiable gene, or demonstrate through other health testing (echocardiograms, electrocardiograms, etc.) that they are at high risk.

And yet in most breeds, a purebred dog from a conscientious breeder will cost LESS than the puppy mill dog in the pet store. Probably more than the one sold direct from the puppy mill, but along with the puppy you'll have a little more peace of mind AND a mentor to stand by the pup as it gets older and you need help.

Commercial dog farms take dogs of (probably) the same breed and simply breed them until they drop. If the stud dog drops dead at 2 from an inheritable disease that could have been identified at his 6 month checkup with a blood draw, they don't care -- they got a year and a half of breeding out of him. If their favorite breeding female (gets pregnant every time and has large litters easily) is a vicious snarling beast -- what's it to them? It's not like anybody has to touch her to hose out her cage once a day.

Please do research before buying a dog that will be a family member for the next decade or more. Here's an excellent place to start:

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/responbr.html
 
There is a reason there is a huge billboard when you enter Lancaster County, PA that reads "Welcome to Lancaster.......the Puppy Mill Capital of the World"

Please beware. If you do go to a breeder, please see what their policies are regarding health, returning the puppy, etc. Having both parents on the premises is also a good thing. They should not hide the parents from you & you should also be able to see the entire litter. Most puppy mills (and backyard breeders) do not have both parents on premises & sometimes they will just have you puppy ready & waiting for you.

Also consider a rescue, shelter or petfinder. Good luck & please use the internet as a resource. I know there is a website that will tell you if the breeder is considered a "puppy mill" but I can't remember it off the top of my head.
 
Just sitting here thinking, if you want to save money, save (rescue) one from a pound. If you want a specialized breed, pay the extra money and know what you are getting.
 
Thank you - I was afraid this was the answer I would get, but I was hoping puppy farm did not equal puppy mill. I do fully intend to look at shelters when I am ready. I was hoping to get a small Yorkshire terrier.
 
There is a reason there is a huge billboard when you enter Lancaster County, PA that reads "Welcome to Lancaster.......the Puppy Mill Capital of the World"

Please beware. If you do go to a breeder, please see what their policies are regarding health, returning the puppy, etc. Having both parents on the premises is also a good thing. They should not hide the parents from you & you should also be able to see the entire litter. Most puppy mills (and backyard breeders) do not have both parents on premises & sometimes they will just have you puppy ready & waiting for you.

Also consider a rescue, shelter or petfinder. Good luck & please use the internet as a resource. I know there is a website that will tell you if the breeder is considered a "puppy mill" but I can't remember it off the top of my head.

Just a question, but where is this Puppy Mill sign about Lancaster? I live in Hershey and have traveled to Lancaster at least a 100 times in the past year alone and have never seen that sign. Are you being sarcastic or serious?
 
Just a question, but where is this Puppy Mill sign about Lancaster? I live in Hershey and have traveled to Lancaster at least a 100 times in the past year alone and have never seen that sign. Are you being sarcastic or serious?

We recently took the PA Turnpike from PA to NJ and saw the sign. I'm not sure where it is, but it's definitely there.
 
:) petfinders is a great resource - you can search by breed and within your area!!!!:)

that is how we found our dork....um, I mean dog!!!!!:)
 
We recently took the PA Turnpike from PA to NJ and saw the sign. I'm not sure where it is, but it's definitely there.


Wow, I am just shocked...and apparently completely naive and stupid. I had absolutely no idea this was even going on in Lancaster. I can't even tell you how many times I have been there for the farmers market and various other things and never even knew this atrocity was happening.:sad2:

I have never heard anyone talk about the puppie mills up here and we are only 20 miles away. :confused3
 
Having both parents on the premises is also a good thing. They should not hide the parents from you & you should also be able to see the entire litter.

BOTH parents on the premesis would actually be something of a red flag to me. Seldom does the best possible match for a female live in the same house. A good breeder will seek out the best possible mate (which probably belongs to somebody else). This is especially true since most dogs at a breeder's house will be related already. However, you should certainly be able to see pictures of the sire and even meet relatives of his if he's local. Often, especially now with the advent of artificial insemination, breedings are done cross country, internationally, or even from beyond the grave :) (Pupsicles!)
 
My sister bought an english sheepdog from an Amish family who seemed to be so nice. It all looked like lovely farm with happy sheepdogs running around. Nope, puppy mill. Her dog cost her a fortune over his short life.
 
You don't want to buy a dog from a puppy mill or farm. They tell you not to buy dogs from the pet store because most of them come from puppy mills and end up being very sick. Puppies from breeders aren't always without issue (my mom had a pekingese with an umbilical hernia and a pekingese with a trick knee and some issue with his eyelids), because of the way they breed, but you're still better off. You could also look into shelters. You won't always find purebred dogs in shelters, but I have seen some of the most loving and friendly dogs at shelters.
 
I know about pet stores; my niece bought a chocolate lab from a pet store in a mall - he was completely blind by the age of 6. Poor dog is always walking into everything.

My sister rescued a chihuahua from a mall pet store - he was going to be put to sleep because one of his eyes was bigger than the other. Well, aside from that, he is still going strong and he will be 15 at the end of the month.

I was just hoping to find a puppy - although I know I am probably better off rescuing an older dog.

Just looking at options - but I will definitely steer clear of the "mills" and "farms".
 
My neighbor has yorkies. She's got 4 or 5 right now, I think. I'm not sure if she always buys from the same breeder, but I could find out.

ETA: You could ask a local vet for recommendations too and they may already know of someone who has pups. My vet has a spiralbound book of dogs for sale and rescue.
 














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