Pro-Life/Pro-Choice

[Loves Disney]

Sex = reproduction.

That is why people connect in this way...to have babies.

If you don't want to have babies...the surest way is to not have sex. No birth control is 100%. It's important to realize this. This is fact. Not opinion. lol.

 

[PurpleDucky]

Here's the article I found about the heart:

Since abortion advocates must concede that abortion kills a living human being, many try arguing that embryos and early fetuses aren't developed enough to be morally significant. The following timeline will help put such claims in better perspective.

FERTILIZATION
At the moment of fertilization, a new and unique human being comes into existence with its own distinct genetic code. Twenty-three chromosomes from the mother and twenty-three chromosomes from the father combine to result in a brand-new and totally unique genetic combination. Whereas the heart, lungs, and hair of a woman all share the same genetic code, her unborn child, from the moment of fertilization, has a separate genetic code that is all its own. There is enough information in this tiny zygote to control human growth and development for the rest of its life.


EIGHT DAYS (from fertilization)
At about eight days after conception, the fertilized ovum (called a blastocyst) implants in the lining of the uterus. It emits chemical substances which weaken the woman's immune system within the uterus so that this tiny "foreign" body is not rejected by the woman's body.


THREE WEEKS (from fertilization)
By the third week of pregnancy (approximately 21 days after fertilization), the heart begins to beat, pumping blood throughout the body, and the brain begins dividing into three primary sections (forebrain, midbrain, and hindbrain).

 

[PurpleDucky]

http://images.google.com/images?q=a...F-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBS&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

This is why I can't stand the thought of abortion..they look like minature babies!
I posted the link for those who have a weak stomach.

Those pictures seriously brought tears to my eyes.

Only 2 months!!
http://www.davidmacd.com/images/fetus08.jpg

 

[life of the party]

http://images.google.com/images?q=a...F-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBS&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

This is why I can't stand the thought of abortion..they look like minature babies!
I posted the link for those who have a weak stomach.

Those pictures seriously brought tears to my eyes.

dont look at that if you have a weak stomache D:

but yeaah they look like mini babies

 

[PurpleDucky]

dont look at that if you have a weak stomache D:

but yeaah they look like mini babies

It's so sad =/

 

[Sparx]

An embryo is a bit more than that. A fetus is definitely more than that. Reading through other posts that you have left, I just don't seem to agree with much anything you are saying, lol, so there is really no use in trying to convince you to understand what I mean, lol. It's my personal belief that an embryo and fetus are considered alive and babies...and therefore, I see abortions are murder in all aspects. That's MY opinion.

why do you consider a fetus to be a human life though? particularly in the first several weeks after conception.

the fetus has no brain activity. (the eeg doesnt register anything at all until 12 weeks, but even then there is just barely enough to register)
the fetus has no eyes. (its eye lids close for months to form the eyes)
the fetus has no red blood cells. (the bones cant produce these until 21 weeks)
the fetus does not breathe. (the breathing movements noticed are only to form the lungs)
the fetus feels no pain. (and wont until the third trimester)

what makes that human?
eventually, yes, a fetus is born and is a baby which grows up. but i just dont see how a fetus is equal to a life.

 

[AmandaSparks730]

Those people who protest at the clinics kinda freak me out :/

 

[chisnpeke]

Think about it this way:

If abortion were to be made illegal, some women would still get abortions on the black market using stuff like knitting needles and coat hangers.


It's best to just keep abortion legal where it can also guarantee the woman's safety.


I'm probably gonna get bashed for this....

I totally agree. That is maybe the main reason I feel it should be legal for all women. Women will just find another way to abort their babies, most of which are unsafe.

 

[life of the party]

why do you consider a fetus to be a human life though? particularly in the first several weeks after conception.

the fetus has no brain activity. (the eeg doesnt register anything at all until 12 weeks, but even then there is just barely enough to register)
the fetus has no eyes. (its eye lids close for months to form the eyes)
the fetus has no red blood cells. (the bones cant produce these until 21 weeks)
the fetus does not breathe. (the breathing movements noticed are only to form the lungs)
the fetus feels no pain. (and wont until the third trimester)

what makes that human?
eventually, yes, a fetus is born and is a baby which grows up. but i just dont see how a fetus is equal to a life.

THANK YOU!

that what i think but you just have the facts to back it up!

 

[Loves Disney]

why do you consider a fetus to be a human life though? particularly in the first several weeks after conception.

the fetus has no brain activity. (the eeg doesnt register anything at all until 12 weeks, but even then there is just barely enough to register)
the fetus has no eyes. (its eye lids close for months to form the eyes)
the fetus has no red blood cells. (the bones cant produce these until 21 weeks)
the fetus does not breathe. (the breathing movements noticed are only to form the lungs)
the fetus feels no pain. (and wont until the third trimester)

what makes that human?
eventually, yes, a fetus is born and is a baby which grows up. but i just dont see how a fetus is equal to a life.

The fetus is a living organism. It may not be developed enough to live outside the womb (obviously, lol) but it is still growing and does have a developing system and bone structure. The fetus is alive - maybe not to the standards of living outside the mother, but the fact that it is an organism (and a human one at that) makes it alive to me. Because it's the organism of a human, I consider that a baby.

 

[Sparx]

The fetus is a living organism. It may not be developed enough to live outside the womb (obviously, lol) but it is still growing and does have a developing system and bone structure. The fetus is alive - maybe not to the standards of living outside the mother, but the fact that it is an organism (and a human one at that) makes it alive to me. Because it's the organism of a human, I consider that a baby.

thank you. i dont agree, but i think i understand your point of view more now.

 

[Loves Disney]

thank you. i dont agree, but i think i understand your point of view more now.

And that's all that can be asked for in such a controversial debate such as this.

 

[chisnpeke]

That is not what sex symbolizes .

I say let people do what they want .
Its only human , whatever .

I know i cant change your mind, so im just going to believe what i want to believe and if you want to be like that you can .

What do you mean that is not what sex symbolizes? I'm just not sure what you meant by that comment.

 

[imabrat]

if you want to use the adoption argument, look at chinese girls. theres tons of em, and nobody loves them, no body wants them. why dont we take care of all the kids that need a home before worrying abotu the ones that havent been born yet?

if you want to use the rape argument, sure, one out of every one thousand rapes results in a pregnancy. okay. thats fine. but just because that one woman is a fluke, she should be forced to go through another nine months of trauma? rape messes with your head, and having 8 pounds of fetus in your stomach is going to remind you of that, every single time it moves. youre talking permanent emotional scarring, and you get no right to force that on someone.

For those who say give it up for adoption -

It's not that easy. Tell me, I beg you, that you could never have a bond with something that was living, breathing, growing inside you. What happens when that women gives birth and sees the baby? Really, do you think all of the mothers are going to say "Okay, here you go, take the baby and leave, I never want to see it again". Sure it's tough, and some women can give the baby away and not think twice, but what about the women who emotionally can't take it? What do they do then?

 

[chisnpeke]

For those who say give it up for adoption -

It's not that easy. Tell me, I beg you, that you could never have a bond with something that was living, breathing, growing inside you. What happens when that women gives birth and sees the baby? Really, do you think all of the mothers are going to say "Okay, here you go, take the baby and leave, I never want to see it again". Sure it's tough, and some women can give the baby away and not think twice, but what about the women who emotionally can't take it? What do they do then?

The ones I think emotionally can't take it also couldn't emotionally take having an abortion.

I'm someone who could never emotionally take having an abortion or giving my baby up for adoption, so I'd have to keep it.

 

[life of the party]

For those who say give it up for adoption -

It's not that easy. Tell me, I beg you, that you could never have a bond with something that was living, breathing, growing inside you. What happens when that women gives birth and sees the baby? Really, do you think all of the mothers are going to say "Okay, here you go, take the baby and leave, I never want to see it again". Sure it's tough, and some women can give the baby away and not think twice, but what about the women who emotionally can't take it? What do they do then?

EXACTLY !
thank you for saying that !

What do you mean that is not what sex symbolizes? I'm just not sure what you meant by that comment.

she said that sex sybolizes that you are ready for whatever life throws at you & all this stuff, you can read it cause i forget haha .

 

[Tinkerbell424]

For those who say give it up for adoption -

It's not that easy. Tell me, I beg you, that you could never have a bond with something that was living, breathing, growing inside you. What happens when that women gives birth and sees the baby? Really, do you think all of the mothers are going to say "Okay, here you go, take the baby and leave, I never want to see it again". Sure it's tough, and some women can give the baby away and not think twice, but what about the women who emotionally can't take it? What do they do then?

Then keep it. I'm sure they have an emotional bond to the baby growing inside of them and it's probably not that much either to abort either. But wouldn't they rather have their child in the hands of someone who can raise the baby rather then the baby die and never have a chance to live?

 

[life of the party]

Then keep it. I'm sure they have an emotional bond to the baby growing inside of them and it's probably not that much either to abort either. But wouldn't they rather have their child in the hands of someone who can raise the baby rather then the baby die and never have a chance to live?

But they not be READY for a baby , and could not support it emotionally / financially

 

[Tinkerbell424]

But they not be READY for a baby , and could not support it emotionally / financially

Then they should not have had sex.

 

[chisnpeke]

EXACTLY !
thank you for saying that !



she said that sex sybolizes that you are ready for whatever life throws at you & all this stuff, you can read it cause i forget haha .

Well in a perfect world, that is what sex symbolizes. It has never been that way and it never will be that way. My friend who is Catholic says sex is for bonding and babies and all that...whatever. People act like it can't be for enjoyment between two people as well? I have personal experience in this area (sex not abortions) and I can tell you that I NEVER thought that I was ready for whatever life throws at me because of sex.