Price Increase.

[hodgesdisney]

Did anyone else get an e-mail from their guide saying that the prices for BLT, AKV, and SS are going up in January?

 

[htmlkid]

Did anyone else get an e-mail from their guide saying that the prices for BLT, AKV, and SS are going up in January?

Not yet... but that mouse has one big pair to raise prices considering sales have been down 3 straight months!!!!

 

[babesboo99]

Aulani, SSR, BLT are all going up after jan17th..

 

[hodgesdisney]

Mine did not mention Aulani.

 

[luckyman_apd]

Not yet... but that mouse has one big pair to raise prices considering sales have been down 3 straight months!!!!

That's why I'm trying to buy resale now.

 

[JimMIA]

I don't see any Aulani resale listings, so I'd personally wait a couple of years. Might be a good idea to wait anyway on that one to be sure all their legal issues are completely behind them.

BLT is currently selling (and clearing ROFR) from $80 - low $90's...or at least $50 per point less than direct before a price increase.

SSR is currently selling (and clearing ROFR) from $50-$55...or about half of the direct price (again +/- $50 per point) before any price increase.

AKV is currently selling (and clearing ROFR) at $60-$70. Not quitesure what the sales weasels are getting for AKV direct, but it's got to be at least $50 per point more than resale.

Anyone who bites on these emails deserves what they get.

 

[Brian Noble]

that mouse has one big pair to raise prices considering sales have been down 3 straight months!!!!

Part of this is cyclical. Peak tourism seasons are early to mid summer and mid-winter through early spring. Fewer people means fewer tours which means lower sales.

This is not Mickey's first rodeo. He knows what he is doing.

 

[DopeysGal82]

Well, since my DH is convinced to buy direct, I'm glad I did NOT cancel it and sleep on it for a few months.

I'm new to this and I am blown away by the resale market, but you have to understand that most people going on the tour, like me, don't know about the resale market at all, and if they show up on Jan 18th, won't know the prices have risen.

Most of them probably will not run to the boards to get more info, so they won't even know about the resale market, or like me, they'll learn and buy direct anyway.

So yeah, he's a smart mouse

 

[TwistGrl101]

OK, I'm really looking into resale...I'm still a little confused.

Why is it SO much cheaper to buy SSR through resale? Why wouldn't everyone just buy through resales then??

Also, as a family of 5 who likes to travel the end of August, who also would like to have the least amount of monthly payments, where do you all recommend we look into buying our home resort? (We would PREFER the Beach Club or BLT to stay each year.)

 

[DopeysGal82]

I'm a little surprised resale is so low right now. I would think at the very least, Disney would exercise ROFR more often, but they don't.

I think Disney is charging so much more and isn't TOO concerned with the resale market because they can get away with it. Think of all of the people wandering the parks who have never opened a guidebook or been to a forum. They just don't know the best way to use FastPass, or the best time to ride certain rides, or when the 3pm parade begins. It's the same with DVC. People go in and hear the sales pitch (and it's a VERY good one), and they don't KNOW about the resale market and/or the guides play up the so-called advantages of buying Direct. If you don't know about the re-sale market, Disney's prices might seem like a good deal. I would guess that's the case for most people who buy direct.

Take my case. i KNOW intellectually that resale would save us a LOT of money ($40 pp), and that if we ever wanted to go on a cruise, instead of banking for 2 years to pay for ONE of us (it's that expensive), we could just rent out some points and put that toward the cash pmt on the cruise. However, DH is worried about further restrictions on resales (which I'm not too worried about ebcause when they made the change in March, they made it for resales going forward. Also, they could take those additional benefits from all of us at any time). DH was also impressed with the financing options. It doesn't get reported to the credit bureaus, and you can deduct the interest. Does that really "add up" to the premium we're paying to buy direct? Not really, but it makes my DH happy, and who knows, maybe we will want to use our points to stay at the Poly or something

 

[shalom]

Why is it SO much cheaper to buy SSR through resale? Why wouldn't everyone just buy through resales then??

For most people, Timeshare is an impulse buy. The difference between Disney's prices and resale is not nearly as large as it is with some companies, I suspect because (a) people who're considering DVC often hang around on Disney boards, where it's easy to get info on the club and (b) it's a lot easier for a newbie to rent out DVC points and pay off their yearly fees than to rent out some other places (although savvy owners do fine with many other resorts).

There are also (mostly meaningless, IMHO) differences between buying direct and buying resale, however I suspect a lot of people who know about resale and still buy direct do it because they just like the idea of buying direct. It's somewhat less hassle, easier to finance, and feels safer. If DVC is slightly less of an impulse buy (for reasons already mentioned and because there's less of that "buy today or you'll lose this great deal" pressure), it's still usually a very emotional buy, and buying direct gives a different, potentially better, emotional "buzz", if you will.

If you want to use your points mostly to stay in DVC resorts, and if you plan to pay cash (both of which are highly recommended), then resale is the way to go.

 

[luckyman_apd]

I'm a little surprised resale is so low right now. I would think at the very least, Disney would exercise ROFR more often, but they don't.

I think Disney is charging so much more and isn't TOO concerned with the resale market because they can get away with it. Think of all of the people wandering the parks who have never opened a guidebook or been to a forum. They just don't know the best way to use FastPass, or the best time to ride certain rides, or when the 3pm parade begins. It's the same with DVC. People go in and hear the sales pitch (and it's a VERY good one), and they don't KNOW about the resale market and/or the guides play up the so-called advantages of buying Direct. If you don't know about the re-sale market, Disney's prices might seem like a good deal. I would guess that's the case for most people who buy direct.

Take my case. i KNOW intellectually that resale would save us a LOT of money ($40 pp), and that if we ever wanted to go on a cruise, instead of banking for 2 years to pay for ONE of us (it's that expensive), we could just rent out some points and put that toward the cash pmt on the cruise. However, DH is worried about further restrictions on resales (which I'm not too worried about ebcause when they made the change in March, they made it for resales going forward. Also, they could take those additional benefits from all of us at any time). DH was also impressed with the financing options. It doesn't get reported to the credit bureaus, and you can deduct the interest. Does that really "add up" to the premium we're paying to buy direct? Not really, but it makes my DH happy, and who knows, maybe we will want to use our points to stay at the Poly or something

First, Disney can restrict you as a direct buyer just the same. As many have pointed out, Disney can take many of those perks away. From what I understand, the only thing guaranteed is the points at your home resort. That's it. As far as resales, those who bought before March of this year, they still have all the same benefits. Only those who purchased after March have the restrictions. So, my guess is future restricts would apply to future purchases. I don't think at this point they can take away from resales already purchased, but not the others. Then again, at the swipe of the pen.......As far as using the points for a cruise (and the huge expense it is) and people talking about value...you would be better off renting those points for cash and then using the cash to book the cruise. The cash from the points would go farther than the points for a cruise would.

For me, we plan on buying a small contract and only using it for the park visits so resale is the best value for us.

 

[disneynutz]

I'm a little surprised resale is so low right now. I would think at the very least, Disney would exercise ROFR more often, but they don't.

I think Disney is charging so much more and isn't TOO concerned with the resale market because they can get away with it. Think of all of the people wandering the parks who have never opened a guidebook or been to a forum. They just don't know the best way to use FastPass, or the best time to ride certain rides, or when the 3pm parade begins. It's the same with DVC. People go in and hear the sales pitch (and it's a VERY good one), and they don't KNOW about the resale market and/or the guides play up the so-called advantages of buying Direct. If you don't know about the re-sale market, Disney's prices might seem like a good deal. I would guess that's the case for most people who buy direct.

Why would Disney buy points through ROFR at $50 per point when they can sell their current new inventory that cost them $1 per point to build? If everything is sold out then they will start exercising ROFR again.

In addition they have points that they got through foreclosure and from people who walked away from their loans.

Bill

 

[DopeysGal82]

Why would Disney buy points through ROFR at $50 per point when they can sell their current new inventory that cost them $1 per point to build? If everything is sold out then they will start exercising ROFR again.

In addition they have points that they got through foreclosure and from people who walked away from their loans.

Bill

We just got off the phone with a Guide. Not OUR guide because he went on a cruise and didn't tell us, and no one told us until today when we threatened to cancel if we didn't hear someone. This guide was saying that it's very difficult to get BLT on resale because Disney is always exercising ROFR there since it's nearly sold out and they will be charging $155 a point starting next month.

I'm sure that's at least half BS, but the way I see it, I would think they would exercise ROFR. They made a hige profit selling it the first time around, so now they can buy and make a 50pp profit again just by pushing some paper. It would also skew the market toward buying direct. I would think it's good for them.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

We just got off the phone with a Guide. Not OUR guide because he went on a cruise and didn't tell us, and no one told us until today when we threatened to cancel if we didn't hear someone. This guide was saying that it's very difficult to get BLT on resale because Disney is always exercising ROFR there since it's nearly sold out and they will be charging $155 a point starting next month.

I'm sure that's at least half BS, but the way I see it, I would think they would exercise ROFR. They made a hige profit selling it the first time around, so now they can buy and make a 50pp profit again just by pushing some paper. It would also skew the market toward buying direct. I would think it's good for them.

It's more than half BS. There is a thread here in the DIS that people report ROFR. You can ask any of the brokers about what is being ROFR'd. Recently it is only OKW or VGC and maybe an odd ball contract here and there. To put it honestly any guide you speak to is going to spin the tale or give partial information in order to close a sale. Guide is a misnomer - they are sales people.

I just looked at the ROFR thread and there hasn't been a single report of ROFR at BLT there in 12.5 months. In the meantime the following have been reported as passing ROFR.

dominicve------- 270 BLT (Feb) $96, 118 '10 pts, all '11 pts (sub 1/5, passed 2/4)
CALIFLADY------- 100 BLT (Feb) $97, all '11 pts all '12 pts, buyer pays closing and MF's (sub 1/14, passed 2/11)
DISFANSHAN------ 50 BLT (Feb) $95 (sub 1/25, passed 2/21) member
jeanninepl-------- 100 BLT (Feb) $87.5 (passed 2/22)
laura-k----------- 160 BLT (Feb) $95, 160 banked '10 pts, all '11 ptsl buyer pays closing and mf (sub 1/24, passed 2/21)
smcewen---------- 160 BLT (Feb) $94, 140 '10 pts, 160 '11 pts, buyer pays mf and closing (passed 2/28)
rock doctor-------- 100 BLT (Apr) $95, all '10, '11, & '12 pts (sub 2/14, passed 3/14)
jstarcze----------- 70 BLT (Feb) $94, no '11 pts 8 '12 pts, all '13 pts, seller pays MF for '11 and '12 buyer pays closing (sub 2/24, passed 3/20)
shaylih----------- 50 BLT (Feb) $96, no '11 or '12 pts (sub 2/24, passed 3/20) member
MrChris----------- 100 BLT (Mar) $99, all '12 pts, buyer pays closing (sub 3/2, passed 3/23) member
MrChris----------- 100 BLT (Mar) $101, 92 '11 pts, all '12 pts, buyer pays closing and pro-rated MFs (sub 3/2, passed 3/23) member
KingRichard------- 150 BLT (Jun) $86, 150 banked '10 pts, all '11 & '12 pts, buyer pays closing and mf (sub 3/10, passed 3/28)
tayloratc-------- 215 BLT (Feb) $95, 215 banked '10 pts, all '11 & '12 pts, buyer pays closing, seller pays mf (sub 3/15, passed 4/5)
JWG ------------ 50 BLT (Aug) $105, all '10 pts banked and '11 pts, buyer pays closing and mf for '11 (sub 3/19, passed 4/11) member
jdmn2010-------- 123 BLT (Oct) $88, 83 '11 pts, all '12 pts, buyer pays closing, seller pays mf (sub 4/14, passed 5/2) member
mixmastertoy-------- 160 BLT (???) $66.25 (passed 5/26)
Emilysmom-------- 190 BLT (Feb) $83, 119 '11 pts, buyer pays closing and mf (sub 5/24, passed 6/2)
Sora1978------- 160 BLT (Sep) $87, 85 banked pts, all '11 pts, buyer pays closing and mf (sub 6/11, passed 7/11)
Sandisw(seller) --- 30 BLT (Jun) $104, no '11 pts, all '12 pts, buyer pays closing, seller pays mf (sub 7/1, passed 7/11)
kristinw3girls------ 100 BLT (Feb) $102, 100 banked '10 pts, all '11 & '12 pts, seller pays closing and mf (sub 7/27, passed 7/17)
Manc--------- 200 BLT (Jun) $91, 56 banked '10 pts, all '11 pts (sub 8/2, passed 8/17) TTS
dvcsterling------ 270 BLT (Feb) $90, 47 '11 pts, all '12 pts, buyer pays closing, seller pays mf (sub 8/3, passed 8/24)
mousenyc----- 160 BLT (Mar) $83pp, 128 '11 pts, all '12 pts, buyer pays closing, seller pays mf (sub 8/22, passed 9/7)
WDW99------ 100 BLT (Aug) $95, 100 banked '10 pts, all '11 pts (sub 9/19, passed 9/28)
Song of the South---- 200 BLT (Feb) $89, 13 banked '10 pts, all '11 & '12 pts, buyer pays closing, seller pays mf (passed 9/28)
LBollengier----- 80 BLT (???) $??
maburke------ 60 BLT (Mar) $99, 26 banked '11 pts, 31 '12 pts, buyer pays closing, seller pays mf (sub 9/30, passed 10/11)
etemplet----200 BLT (Aug) $80, no '11 pts, all '12 pts (sub 10/6, passed 10/25)
ajseagles3----- 200 BLT (Aug) $85, 14 '11 pts, all '11 & '12 pts, buyer pays closing (passed 11/11) member
jack27d------ 210 BLT (Feb) $85, 170 banked '11 pts, all '12 & '13 pts, buyer pays closing (sub 10/11, passed 11/10) member
DisnutDave-------- 65 BLT (Feb) $92 (passed 11/23)
GrnMtnMan-------- 160 BLT (Apr) $96.875, 118 banked '10 pts, all '11 & '12 pts, seller pays mf (sub 11/10, passed 11/30) DVCbyResale
wdrl------- 50 BLT (Feb) $97, 50 banked '11 pts, all '12 pts, buyer pays closing, seller pays mf (sub 11/7, passed 11/30) TTS
TeleoDeum------- 210 BLT (Jun) $94, 138 '11 pts, all '12 & '13 pts, buyer pays closing, seller pays '11 mf (sub 11/1, passed 11/23)non-member, TTS

 

[DopeysGal82]

HI Kathy! I actually was JUST looking at the ROFR thread and noticed the same thing. They really aren't going after BLT, even at $95 a point.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

HI Kathy! I actually was JUST looking at the ROFR thread and noticed the same thing. They really aren't going after BLT, even at $95 a point.

And there's other information out there of BLT passing for far less than $95/pt. Some have gone thru in the $70's and I've heard of one or two in the low $60's.

 

[DopeysGal82]

And there's other information out there of BLT passing for far less than $95/pt. Some have gone thru in the $70's and I've heard of one or two in the low $60's.

Please don't tell me this, or I will lie sleepless at night and possibly kill my husband.

 

[MsTessP]

Please don't tell me this, or I will lie sleepless at night and possibly kill my husband.

Sorry....I think lots of posters were trying to tell you exactly that!

You said your dh (that would be the "Dopey" in your name?) refused to consider a resale anyway. If it's too late to cancel, just move on, enjoy your membership, but remember all this if you add on.

I find that knowing when to pick my battles is a good skill to have in a long marriage. Not that it is always easy - even after 34 years!.

 

[JimMIA]

This guide was saying that it's very difficult to get BLT on resale because Disney is always exercising ROFR there since it's nearly sold out...

That is a TOTAL LIE.