Prep school axes lacrosse coaches after players’ booze-filled Disney trip

[lockedoutlogic]

Perdue hosts a lot of those camps as well.

Every big ten school does...
...but Purdue Isn't in Michigan (red wings)

 

[Q-man]

^^^^

I'm from South Texas and don't understand y'all's game on ice. Dallas may have had a team at one point but that is an 8 hour drive North of home.

 

[Laz]

Before people get too carried away with their personal bias in reaction to the story above, I'd like to point out a few things since I have long experience supervising teens as a Scoutmaster as well as my involvement with a high program where about 800 kids from all over the state spend 4 nights in the same hotel near a Big Ten campus. First, the article doesn't say of any of the players weren't personally punished. They might have been and privacy rules might prohibit the school from speaking on the matter. Secondly, the coaches should exercise a reasonable standard of oversight of the team. If what is reported is true and the coaches "called it a night" early and never checked on the players beyond that, then that might be a real problem. Yes, the coaches get to sleep too, but that doesn't mean that the coaches cannot take turns monitoring the player rooms for a period after "lights out" to greatly reduce the chances of unauthorized "field trips." There is even the simple trick of placing a strip of Scotch tape with the coaches signature on it on the outside of each room door, with the instruction given to the kids that if they find the "seal" broken in the morning there will be disciplinary action for the room's occupants. No system is fail-safe, but if the coaches didn't even provide the most basic form of supervision once the players were dismissed from team activities each evening that could be grounds for action against them from their school.

That trick does not work all the time. During my high school teaching career, I had chaperoned many overnight trips. Nowadays, it is very easy for the students to communicate with the other school students or athletes. They simply find a group that is not monitored or taped and they come and re set the tape after they are done partying. Many times I recently heard of chaperones joining in on the parites! However, what is more concerning is that many parents just don't care anymore. During my later teaching years, when students broke the rules, I would apply discipline yet when I informed the parents they either did not care or even yelled at me for disciplining their child. I just stopped all field trips.

 

[mcjaco]

Perdue hosts a lot of those camps as well.

The chicken family?

 

[DizFanFamily]

The chicken family?

You just made my morning!

 

[Q-man]

The chicken family?

I was on my phone! It was autocorrect! Not. I failed. Sorry boilermakers.

 

[Geoff_M]

That trick does not work all the time. During my high school teaching career, I had chaperoned many overnight trips. Nowadays, it is very easy for the students to communicate with the other school students or athletes. They simply find a group that is not monitored or taped and they come and re set the tape after they are done partying.

As I said, no system is fool-proof. However, if you partially cut the tape it will more than likely tear in two when the door is opened or if someone tries to peel it off. And if you "mark" the tape it'll prevent someone from just putting on another piece after the first one is torn.

 

[Laz]

As I said, no system is fool-proof. However, if you partially cut the tape it will more than likely tear in two when the door is opened or if someone tries to peel it off. And if you "mark" the tape it'll prevent someone from just putting on another piece after the first one is torn.

When I started teaching in the late Eighties, I never had to worry about doing things like that. The students had enough fear of the consequences from me, administration, and parents not to even think about leaving the room after curfew. Now the chaperone has the fear of consequences. With the lack of discipline of fear of litigation, any trips outside of the classroom are not worth the effort.

 

[amberpi]

This happened in the 1990s too, and probably in the 70s and will probably be happening 20 years from now. How they got away with it for 6 nights is a pretty big accomplishment. Also, ballsy!

 

[bumbershoot]

True but my 4 years of college just flew by like nothing and I'm kinda just spinning around what happened

Happens to many of us. Even those of us who graduated HS in '87.

When I started teaching in the late Eighties, I never had to worry about doing things like that. The students had enough fear of the consequences from me, administration, and parents not to even think about leaving the room after curfew. Now the chaperone has the fear of consequences. With the lack of discipline of fear of litigation, any trips outside of the classroom are not worth the effort.

My 8th grade D.C. trip in, hmm, spring '83...there were kids sneaking out of rooms. It's not a time thing or an era thing. Obviously your time at your school there was something going on (or the kids were smarter than you thought and still did it!), but kids sneaking out has been going on for forever.

My mom had stories about that sort of thing too and she was born in '44.

 

[AtlantaDisneyDreamer]

When I started teaching in the late Eighties, I never had to worry about doing things like that. The students had enough fear of the consequences from me, administration, and parents not to even think about leaving the room after curfew. Now the chaperone has the fear of consequences. With the lack of discipline of fear of litigation, any trips outside of the classroom are not worth the effort.

Totally agree. I have enough concern about being held responsible for what happens inside the classroom. There is no way I am going to risk my future over something like this (I already risk it to some degree just by being physically present in a classroom with a classroom full of poorly behaved students). Too many teens are defiant risk-takers, and they have learned that their behavior will be excused and that they can blame their bad behavior on others. It is very sad that teachers today are expected to carry magic wands and wave away all existing problems.

My wand, broken as it is, is not venturing beyond the classroom.

 

[OldsDr]

similar to my senior class trip to Virginia Beach. Except no uber back then, we also did not have fake IDs. Can you believe there was not a single suitcase checked before it was put on the bus, most of the contraband was purchased in CT and bussed to Virginia. Then we discovered people in certain occupations of the night had no problem buying for a surprisingly small profit. The bus driver even bought a small amount since and I quote "I know your not driving anywhere". We had a late curfew (too long ago to remember when) with a guard in the hallway. People got around that by climbing from balcony to balcony (not me we were on something like the sixth floor).

Did I have a great time, you betcha. However, if my Kids go on similar trips, their suitcases will be checked and this story will be repeated to the school and ever chaperone.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

double post

 

[mi*vida*loca]

Oh what fools. I always tell my kids if you want to do something dumb make sure you aren't dumb enough to get caught or bring attention to yourself. But they did it 6 days in a row!! They really pressed their luck.

Ok what the kids did was wrong but they didn't damage property and no one got hurt. IMO they did normal teenage crap. Snuck around and got some drinks. They messed up doing this while other people are held responsible for what happens to them. They risked other peoples jobs/lives/income for their good time.

I just signed my son's senior trip permission slip. He's going to WDW for 5 nights. If he does anything dumb I'm on the hook for bringing him home early meaning paying for him and a chaperone to change flights so he's had a good talk to act appropriately because if I have to come out of my pocket for his stupidity there will be hell to pay at home. Screw what the school does to him.

 

[mustinjourney]

Pretty crazy that this was able to go on for 6 straight nights. I'm guessing that is probably the reason for their being fired.

On a somewhat related story (not nearly as exciting though)...


When I was in high school on a band trip, a group of us walked down to the big McD's near the All Star Sports resort. We did this in the middle of the day...certainly not late at night.

A couple of chaperones and a vice principal saw us walking out, so they decided to follow us to see where we were going. They waited a few minutes and then walked into the McD's and then "caught" us ordering food. They kept acting like we did the worst possible thing imaginable. (at this point -- I was 18 and 6 weeks from graduating. We had been allowed to park hop, so going to the McD's didn't seem like the craziest thing).

One of the other guys and I immediately went to the band directors' room to tell them "we had screwed up" in order to start on the damage control.

The exchange went something like this:

Me: "We have some bad news. We screwed up."

Director: "what happened?"

Me: "Well. We went to McD's."

Director: (long pause and look of confusion -- waiting for me to finish the story)

Director: "ok. so what happened?"

Me: "No. That's it. We went to McD's."

Director: LOUD LAUGHTER

Me: (inner monologue -- this is a good thing)

Director: "Give me your hand." (lightly slaps wrist) "don't do that again."

when we got back to school, the two chaperones wrote letters to the directors and the principal and suggested that we be made examples of, and that we shouldn't be allowed to walk at graduation.

 

[old lady]

At least the coaches didn't get the kids drunk or encourage them to drink like they did in my school. A principal got blame for it. Don't ask where?

 

[manning]

Place tape across the door frame and door then periodically do a door check. If the door has been open you know something is going on.

 

[Q-man]

Pretty crazy that this was able to go on for 6 straight nights. I'm guessing that is probably the reason for their being fired.

Pretty indicative that the chaperones were partying hard themselves.

 

[I'm a foo fighter]

At least the coaches didn't get the kids drunk or encourage them to drink like they did in my school. A principal got blame for it. Don't ask where?

Neat

 

[1lilspark]

simple bed checks may have alleviated this!

Well, when I was in HS we did a school sponsored college road trip and at a certain time the staff who chaperoned would bed check and then duct tape the doors and if the tape was punctured parents were called