Preakness - Barbaro - OMG!!!

Horses have to stand up. They cannot spend weeks lying down to heal.

As for the flight..YES! Sioux City?? Why did I think it was Ok city...

PS...the really bad pic of Go For Wand http://community.webshots.com/photo/39393344/1045094640034962147YlQQZm (CAUTION!!!)

As for the breeding, nope. AI is not allowed in the Jockey Club (the nat'l registartion for Thoroughbreds) Has to be live cover. Foals conceived by AI are not registrable and therefore unable to race.
 
Even if his rear legs aren't strong enough to breed "the old-fashioned way," can't he just live in a field somewhere and be happy?

What really gets me about all this is the idea that horses are so expendable if they can't make money. :(
 
CheshireVal: For me personally I would want to do all I can (and can afford) to save my horse but only if his quality of life will be adequate. Horse keeping is expensive , more so with a horse who requires daily medical attention. If Barbaro's owners love him enough to keep a horse who is unsound (means lame) then more power to them. I hope they don't choose to keep him alive if he will be chronically in pain or unable to function on that leg.

HOWEVER (devils' advocate) the racing industry is a money making industry and it is SUPER expensive to maintain the athletes who ARE bringing in wins/$$$. So for many trainers and owners, the ones who break down or can't earn anymore have to be put down for the sake of the bottom line. Terrible? Absolutely.
 
Jennasis said:
Edgar Prado, probably saved Barbaro's life by pulling him up. The horse would've run until it destroyed his leg completely and collapsed.


Before I focused on Barbaro's leg, but watching the footage now I noticed for the first time how hard Prado was pulling back, actually leaning back with his full weight, to stop Barbaro from running any further. I know he feels terrible (He told the owner repeatedly, "I sorry!" and you can see his emotions in his strained face after the injury.) But he's really a hero. I hope he doesn't harbor any guilty feelings. Hats off to Prado! :cheer2:
 

Wow. His post-op films really are terrifying. Every screw placed in a bone fragment decreases the blood supply to that piece and compromises healing.

It's not just about the money. If he can't even stand on his back legs for the 30-60 seconds it takes to breed a mare, then that means he is living with a fair amount of pain. Horses live up to thirty years and he is a three year old. Is it really fair to subject a horse to 25+ years of lameness and discomfort? All horses want to do is run, and if he can't do that, what quality of life does he have?
 
MickeyMouseGal said:
Wow. His post-op films really are terrifying. Every screw placed in a bone fragment decreases the blood supply to that piece and compromises healing.

It's not just about the money. If he can't even stand on his back legs for the 30-60 seconds it takes to breed a mare, then that means he is living with a fair amount of pain. Horses live up to thirty years and he is a three year old. Is it really fair to subject a horse to 25+ years of lameness and discomfort? All horses want to do is run, and if he can't do that, what quality of life does he have?

::yes::
 
Jennasis said:
As for the flight..YES! Sioux City?? Why did I think it was Ok city...

United Flight 232: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_flight_232

On July 19, 1989, the flight from Denver to Philadelphia suffered catastrophic fragmentation of the fan disk of the tail engine, severing all 3 hydraulic control systems of the aircraft. The plane could only turn right, and the only control of the plane was with the thrust of the remaining wing engines. Captain Al Haynes, along with Dennis Fitch, a DC-10 flight instructor who happened to be riding as a passenger, did a heroic job in bringing the plane down, with 186 survivors out of the 297 total passengers and crew.

I flew into that very airport last fall on a charter. I didn't even realize this was the site of that famous crash, until I looked around after we landed, and realized that the airstrip was eerily familiar . . . right down to that chain-link fence that still surrounds the field.


As for why Barbaro cannot live without his right rear leg, I read this on FOX Sports:

Horses are often euthanized after serious leg injuries because circulation problems and deadly disease can arise if they are unable to distribute weight on all fours.
 
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Some of the other terrible horse race injuries in recent years are listed in this article:

Losing would have been cruel enough

BALTIMORE (AP) - Losing would have been cruel enough.

A hundred yards up the track at Pimlico Race Course, on a picture-postcard- perfect afternoon, one of the saddest dramas in sports played out. It's an all-too-familiar scene in the thoroughbred game, even in the biggest races, made all the more memorable by a short list of names and a long trail of tears:

Union City broke down in the 1993 Preakness, the first fatal accident in the Triple Crown series since Black Hills in the Belmont Stakes 34 years earlier. Charismatic pulled up lame a few strides after finishing third in the 1999 Belmont.

Go For Wand, perhaps the saddest scene of all, stumbled to the dirt in the 1990 Breeders' Cup distaff and threw her jockey before staggering to the finish line. She was lowered to the track a second time and euthanized on the spot, then buried in the infield at Saratoga the next day.

In 1982, the victim was Timely Writer in the Jockey Club Gold Cup. The most devastating breakdown of all might have been Ruffian, the filly star who broke down on the backstretch in a match race against the colt Foolish Pleasure.

Trainer Michael Matz raced out onto the track and to Barbaro's side just seconds after the finish. His face was ashen - and this is a man not easily given to emotion. Nearly 17 years ago, Matz rescued three kids from the burning fuselage of an airplane that crashed in an Iowa cornfield.

On this day, slowing to a walk, Matz embraced jockey Edgar Prado, whose quick thinking in pulling Barbaro up may yet save the horse's life. But Prado wasn't quite so steely. He could barely contain his tears a moment later when he walked over and struggled to tell owner Gretchen Jackson, "I'm sorry, "I'm sorry." Then he walked off in a daze.

A woman wailed, "No," over and over, then shrieked, "Don't put him down, I'll buy the horse!"

Behind her, a knot of grown-ups covered their faces or wiped away tears. Some simply averted their eyes.

Matz, meanwhile, waited until the ambulance made its way onto the track and carried off Barbaro, then wheeled around and walked fast, his face a tightly drawn mask. The trip took him past winning trainer Tom Albertrani and the celebrating connections of Preakness champion Bernardini, past Dan Hendricks, the trainer of Brother Derek, who sat in his wheelchair with a hand covering his mouth, then through the grandstand and to the stall where the ambulance was parked.

The only sign of where Matz had just been, and the agony he'd just suffered, was a powdering of track dust across the left shoulder of his black suit.

Alongside the barn, Gretchen Jackson was consoled by some friends.

"It's sad," she said. "We weren't expecting this. Being beaten, yes. But we didn't expect him to be injured."

A reporter standing nearby said, "I'm sorry."

"I'm sure you are," Jackson said. "Because you probably loved him as much as we did.

"You had to love him," she said, "if you followed him."


So sad. Throughbred race horses are so beautiful, and to see them run in just an incredible experience. I know; I grew up in the Louisville, KY area, and I've been to Churchill Downs on many occasions. But one bad step can make it all go so wrong . . . :guilty:
 
While it's no doubt true that Barbaro has a long and dangerous road ahead of him, the horse deserves a chance to fight for his life. It's true that usually horses are put down immediately after suffering this sort of injury, but from what I heard of the press conference yesterday, no one has ever given the horse even a chance to survive because of the expense of the operation. Most racehorses aren't as elite as Barbaro and most owners do not feel it is worth their time to even try it. So who knows what the horse can actually do if no one has ever even given it a chance? From what I'm seeing, the horse came through the operation better than expected and is very comfortable right now. NO ONE knows whether he'll be able to support himself on his legs to breed...it's all conjecture at this point. And besides, I'm positive there are other ways to breed the horse.

THe bottom line is, the horse deserved a chance and he's doing brilliantly. To say they are subjecting him to 25 years of lameness and discomfort to turn a fast buck is simply misinformed because NO ONE knows how well he'll actually do. Also, his owners are loaded beyond belief, so I'd imagine there's more going on here than a desire to get rich...they already are super-rich.
 
theSurlyMermaid said:
While it's no doubt true that Barbaro has a long and dangerous road ahead of him, the horse deserves a chance to fight for his life. It's true that usually horses are put down immediately after suffering this sort of injury, but from what I heard of the press conference yesterday, no one has ever given the horse even a chance to survive because of the expense of the operation. Most racehorses aren't as elite as Barbaro and most owners do not feel it is worth their time to even try it. So who knows what the horse can actually do if no one has ever even given it a chance? From what I'm seeing, the horse came through the operation better than expected and is very comfortable right now. NO ONE knows whether he'll be able to support himself on his legs to breed...it's all conjecture at this point. And besides, I'm positive there are other ways to breed the horse.

I came in at the end of a report on Fox News about this situation and the question was posed about breeding. The person said that it was against the rules to AI... that they had to "do the deed" so to speak. Can anyone offer some insight into that?
 
kdibattista said:
I came in at the end of a report on Fox News about this situation and the question was posed about breeding. The person said that it was against the rules to AI... that they had to "do the deed" so to speak. Can anyone offer some insight into that?


I think Jennasis did in #81:
AI is not allowed in the Jockey Club (the nat'l registartion for Thoroughbreds) Has to be live cover. Foals conceived by AI are not registrable and therefore unable to race.
 
Jennasis said:
As for the breeding, nope. AI is not allowed in the Jockey Club (the nat'l registartion for Thoroughbreds) Has to be live cover. Foals conceived by AI are not registrable and therefore unable to race.

Really??? Do you know why that is? That's really interesting...I wonder what the theory is behind it. I'll have to google the Jockey Club and see what I can find.

Thanks for the reponse!!
 
Deb in IA said:
I think Jennasis did in #81:

Thanks... the boards are sooooo slow so I didn't have a chance to read much of the other posts :)
 
Is there video somewhere of the race and Barbaro's break down? I saw someone post about seeing the jockey pulling back, but all I've seen is the pictures afterwards of the jockey by Barbaro and the horse holding his leg up. I missed watching the actual race this year. Have Googled the web but can't find the video of the incident.

:confused3
 
ohiominnie said:
Is there video somewhere of the race and Barbaro's break down? I saw someone post about seeing the jockey pulling back, but all I've seen is the pictures afterwards of the jockey by Barbaro and the horse holding his leg up. I missed watching the actual race this year. Have Googled the web but can't find the video of the incident.

:confused3

I've seen the footage from the race over and over, as recently as this am. I'm from the Philadelphia area (Chester Co. is about an hour from my home) and the local stations are covering Barbaro's story pretty closely. NJ is home to many race horses and ever since Smarty Jones, the entire Philly area has seen an increase in horse racing fans. The local stations know the interest is there and so we are fortunate enough to get frequent updates. I'm sure the MD area, where Barbaro trained, is seeing similar coverage.

I don't know how this compares to the coverage in other areas of the country.
 
the racing industry is a money making industry and it is SUPER expensive to maintain the athletes who ARE bringing in wins/$$$. So for many trainers and owners, the ones who break down or can't earn anymore have to be put down for the sake of the bottom line. Terrible? Absolutely.

If the owners don't want him anymore, they should call this woman:

[/QUOTE]
A woman wailed, "No," over and over, then shrieked, "Don't put him down, I'll buy the horse!"[/QUOTE]

From what I've been reading, this rescue of Barbaro really seems to be cutting edge, almost experimental in nature. To that I say "wonderful"! In human medicine some of the greatest advances that have been made began when someone pushed the limits of known treatments of the time. As long as the horse is not suffering and he has a chance (not just being used as a guinea pig), why not give it a shot. If he survives and does well then maybe in the future they won't be so quick to put down horses with similar injuries.
 
NEED some Pixie dust send DB's way he might have gotten himself in trouble over all this .

See Magna doeas some taping for other networks and DB was told to go down and get some video interview of the Jockey.

Well we have always had a great respect for these little giants and when DB meet up with him he was such a mess that DB told him not to worry the tape would not roll and he would catch up to him later.

His boss was not happy he didn't show up with the footage and DB told him no man should be on camera in that condition.That poor man.
 
Thank heaven's this injury happened to a horse whose owners have money. If it had been one of my horses, there is no question...I would have to have him euthanized.

As far as the no AI rule in the Jockey Club, I have no idea why this rule was enacted, BUT with the recent development of cloning technology it is a good thing. Many other breed associations do allow for AI (most of the warmblood varieties and Quarter Horses for example). THEORETICALLY Barbaro could be used for AI, but his get (offspring) would not be worth much without papers.

Interestingly enough, not every great race horse is a great sire. Secretariat was a TERRIBLE sire whose offspring simply did SQUAT on the track. But since Secretariat was something of a genetic anomally, it does stand to reason that he may not pass on his qualities to his offspring.

The next few days will be very telling for Barbaro. It seems that his family is doing everything medically possible to save him. They are good people! If they want him as nothing more than a per/pasture ornament then good on them! I've rescued many horses and facilitated the rescue of many horses that were not sound for riding, or for breeding, and happily lived their days out as "lawn art". BUT, would Barbaro even have been given the chance to live if he was a gelding? THAT'S a good question (and I tend to believe, maybe naively, that the answer is YES).
 
TAken directly from the jockey club website:

D. To be eligible for registration, a foal must be the result of a stallion’s Breeding with a broodmare (which is the physical mounting of a broodmare by a stallion with intromission of the ***** (male reproductive organ) and ejaculation of semen into the reproductive tract). As an aid to the Breeding, a portion of the ejaculate produced by the stallion during such mating may immediately be placed in the uterus of the broodmare being bred. A natural gestation must take place in, and delivery must be from, the body of the same broodmare in which the foal was conceived. Without limiting the above, any foal resulting from or produced by the processes of Artificial Insemination, Embryo Transfer or Transplant, Cloning or any other form of genetic manipulation not herein specified, shall not be eligible for registration.
 
wvjules said:
BTW, would he have kept on racing on a severly injured leg if the jockey hadn't pulled him back? Would he have just raced until he collapsed?


Yes. One only needs to look back at the horrific tape of Go For Wand staggering across the finish line after throwing her jockey to understand that these magnificent animals were BRED and TRAINED for one thing: to RUN.

Here's a picture of Go For Wand with her fatal injury (GRAPHIC): http://community.webshots.com/photo/39393344/1045094640034962147YlQQZm

It really is a testament to the skill of Edgar Prado that he was able to pull up as soon as he felt Barbaro take that misstep . . . and continue pulling, with all that he had in him, until he could finally get Barbaro stopped. That picture of him standing next to the stricken Barbaro, with his hands on top of his head in agony and disbelief, is just heartbreaking . . . :guilty:
 

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