POTC Slammed by the Academy

[Karl C]

Being a avid Disney fan, loving all Disney films, I know I'm biased and would not make a good Oscar judge. What I did not like about LOTR or any film of this caliber is that it relied to much on animation so to speak. It's not the fact that it had animation but that it was overused in order to tell the story. Sometimes to much computer work can be a negative thing. It's nice to see a good story with computer animated special effects sprinkled in to give the story flavor rather then one that requires so much to bring it to life that it makes even fantasy unbelievable. I find it overwhelming to see a animated story brought to life with a little bit of film added in. I prefer the opposite myself. Sure LOTR was good, but 11!

 

[wdw4us2]

I enjoyed Pirates as much as everyone here has stated.

That being said, what people need to see is that it appears LOTR - ROTK was rewarded for a cumulation of all three of the LOTR movies, not just ROTK. There was some discussion about this in the Hollywood community both before and after the awards ceremony.

Also, comedic roles and films rarely win the Oscar in modern times. I believe Annie Hall was the last comedy to win Best Picture, and that was back in 1977. After looking over all of the Best Actor awards, I don't think there is one that could be considered a comedic role.

 

[jazstar87]

.....I know disboards.com should have award show where we can vote who should get the tops and i know that POTC would win for sure. You know what, interesting that disney dosen't have their own award show, but i guest the only thing they could nominate is there own movies.

 

[Bob O]

I would agree with the majority here that POTC was a very enjoyable/fun moviem what is expected and hoped for in summer and movies of this type. And while it is all that that doesnt mean it is of Oscar caliber or the acting Of Depp which was good but not of Scar quality(imho).

 

[raidermatt]

I really don't think the sfx in RotK did anything but help tell the story, much like in PotC, but that of course is just my opinion.

As for a disboards awards show, can't help there. But I can post a poll...

 

[BRERALEX]

SPOILER Sean Penn deserved best oscar, they only showed the angry seen with his father in law in the film but if you see his emotion after the curiosity if his daughter was dead that was powerful. THe movie was powerful. Im a LOTR geek love the movies buy all the dvd's regular and extended but i thought mystic River had a good chance at best picture cause of the acting of sean penn.

I think Lost in Translation sucked.

I loved ROTK but it had alot of problems.

we dont see the witch king break gandalfs staff. which is fine but he replies to the white orc who asks him" what about the wizard." the witch king replies "i will break him" ......and nothing. In the trailer we see gandalf on shadowfax ride up some stairs and the witch king lands on the other side.

we dont see the 'white' orc get killed by aragorn and Gimli, which we do see in some behind the scenes clips.

they cut out merry telling pip "we will see the shire again" as he whisks away on shadowfax with gandalf. which is cool too but it was in the trailer.

they cut the scene short where gandalf first sees denethor*(faramirs dad) you could tell there was a slight argument there but it was cut short probably cause of time, but then it felt forced.

I thought Two Towers was a more complete film.

 

[MK Familystone]

11 Oscars= Ben Hur, Titanic, LOTR
Casts of thousands,
Years in the making until completion, therefore paid actors.
Would you be influenced by thousands of phone calls telling you how great and how long the producers of LOTR were taking care of the friends of the Academy Members who could have been out of work during the reccession we were in.
One last note my freinds daughter told her mom that she wanted to waitress in New Zealand after graduation from BU with a journalism degree. This was before The Oscars.
IMHO it looks like the rich and famous have a new play ground.
It was originally LA. then Miami, Arizona, Rockys, Montana, Nantucket, Samoset/boothbay Harbor , now NZ.
I guess John Kerry was right tonite when he said Pres. Bush otto
hire movie directors to creat jobs. Unforunately the directors aren't creating them in the US.
AAARRR!!!
The curse of Walt's Golden Magic will be with Captain Eisner until he walks the gang plank!

 

[Another Voice]

"Last, the special effects. 'LOTR''s was better than 'POC'...What a complete and utter joke. This was an anti Disney bias as sure as we're sitting here."

Sometimes I just sit in front of my computer. I sit in a dazed and aghast at what I've just read. Then, slowly shaking my head, I return to reality.

Mr. Pirate, sir - I would not trade a single frame of Gandalf's ride up the streets of Minas Tirth for all the money Disney threw down on Pirates's bloated 2 1/2 hour running length.

 

[YoHo]

PotC's effects were better?

What the heck movie were YOU watching?

I swear, there are more homers here then at the Star Wars board I frequent. Although, since they didn't have a movie that was released last year, they had nothing to complain about.


PotC was pure mindless summer entertainment. LotR was a masterwork an adaptation of classic defining 20th century literature. RotK was NOT the best of the films, but it was makeup for the previsous two. (TTT was the worst adapted of the 3)

I don't see how you can define Pirates as anything other then mindless summer fun and with that in mind, you have to acknowledge that best picture Oscars simply WILL NOT HAPPEN.



Also, LotR used far less computer animation then say SW:AotC. A lot of it is old fashioned movie tricks.

 

[Planogirl]

I think of the sheer beauty of the cities in LOTR and wonder how anyone can begin to compare the special effects of ROTK with POTC. Those elephant-like critters, the trees, the mine, even that crazy eye were just unbelievable. Makeup was better in the LOTR series too. The orcs were amazing and how they made the elves look so elvish is beyond me. It just doesn't compare.

Mr Pirate, you know that I am crazy about POTC and probably even a few of the reasons why. But as a film it just didn't compare to ROTK or even the other two. JMHO.

 

[BRERALEX]

I thought the music in ROTK was incredible. especially where gandalf is explaining to pippin that death isnt the end. You also have different styles for all the different places. Rivendell, Rohan, and Minas Tirith all have there own music just like Mordor. Love it Love it. Classic. Johhny Depp was incredible as Jack Sparrow but getting all those different actors to be great in one movie was a large task.

The music that starts where frodo sam and gollum are about to ascend those long stairs in front of the black city was great also.

And I thought the music in two towers really made that film what it is.
When the Ents decide to go to war and when aragorn convinces theoden to ride out with him....tear jerker.

 

[crusader]

LoTR was given a few handouts to make up for prior passovers.

It became a joke about halfway through.

They definately deserved 8 of the 11 awards including best picture and best director.

AV - why are you not offended about Sofia's oscar? Best original screenplay? Hello???? What screenplay????? Didn't you just love how daddy walked her out onstage to hand over the gavel.
(do they each get a free giftbag?)

That's Oscar!

PS - Pirates should have been nominated for score.

 

[Peter Pirate]

Did I anywhere state that POC should have won best picture? Did I not make myself clear that I had no problem with LOTR's winning Best Picture? Mr. Voice, did my large grinning smilie directly after my "bias" comment go completely over your head? Mr. Yoho, sorry for having an opinion contrary to yours...I'll try to contact you first before formulating another. But of course your opinions are always safer on your 'home turf' where contrasting opinions are simply not tolerated.

Mr. Pirate, sir, I would not trade a single frame of Gandolf's ride up the streets of Minas Tirth for all of the money Disney threw down on Pirates bloated 2 1/2 hour running length.

Yes, Mr. Voice, I understand that to be true and I feel very badly for you.

Back to special effects...I'm sorry but the SE for LOTR looked "animated" and if you couldn't see this then I have to wonder with what blinders did you watch this movie with. The skeleton scenes from POC was much more striking, IMO, of course that is provided I'm allowed to have one.

Ms. Girl, I never said the SE for LOTR were not "beautiful" but, as I said, they do not look real to me. As for the overall SE's I think it's ok for us to disagree. I hold no ill feeling towards those whose opinions differ from mine (my sarcastic rebuttal above notwithstanding), and I realize that we all look at things from a different perspective. I just find it strange to have my opinion dismissed as if I'm not capable.

What a movie is: POC was simply mindless summer fun but LOTR is some kind of bible? I don't understand this. Did you guys not understand these moral premises before Jackson sat on his bully pulpit? Did you not see the 'guiding light' coming from a mile away? POC may have been a mindless comedy but LOTR's was no enlightend dogma...Simply a good movie adaptation of some classic prose...And we haven't even discussed the idiotic inconsitancies found throughout LOTR...Are these just literary license? Much like Billy Madison acting like a completely retarded imbecile before turning into a bright, useful human being? Is that it? Then maybe I do understand...

 

[crusader]

Back to special effects...I'm sorry but the SE for LOTR looked "animated" and if you couldn't see this then I have to wonder with what blinders did you watch this movie with. The skeleton scenes from POC was much more striking, IMO, of course that is provided I'm allowed to have one.

I couldn't agree more. I felt Pirates was exceptional in the way it portrayed the walking dead. The underwater scenes and the Barbossa on-deck exchange with Elizabeth were riveting.

This is one category where I felt the winner got a handout. We've seen that level of CGI effect in Jackson's film over and over so why now is it oscar worthy for RoTK? Pirates absolutely deserved that award this year - Jackson deserved it with Towers, but not this time around.

 

[BRERALEX]

So those oliphants in Pelonar* fields can't compare to the pirate skeletons? The entire Miras Tirith, that huge bigature that looked like a real city wasn't as good as the underwater skeletons? I think you cant even compare the two films especially when dealing with the size and scope of ROTK. Theoden's army running over the orcs had alot more detail and intricacies then any skeleton on a boat and some cut off hand flopping around. That was riveting. Seeing the oliphants charging forward with horses and fighters underneath that was incredible work. Plus what about Gollum. I'll take one Gollum over those skeleton pirates any day as a better achievement

 

[vernon]

GOLLUM WAS A SPECIAL EFFECT ????

 

[Peter Pirate]

Perhaps LOTR should have won the Oscar for best animated film, as well.

Alex, it's fine that you're more impressed with Jackson's work. If you can watch this film over and over and be happy then they've done their job (no slight, jab at your preference or taste intimated in the least)...But aren't we allowed a dissent without being negatively characterized?

I simply saw the LOTR's SE as "animated", I can't help it, this is what I perceived. The skeleton's, on the other hand scared the crap out of me.

But in the final analysis, my taste is impeccible...for me.

 

[raidermatt]

GOLLUM WAS A SPECIAL EFFECT ????

Hey, Vernon, maybe you're on to something.

Pirate, crusader, you guys did know that wasn't a guy in a latex suit, right?


Yes, the skeletons were cool. When compared to RotK, the only thing I can say is PotC did a better job with their dead guys than RotK did with theirs.

But oliphants, the Rohirrim, Gollum, the cities, Mordor, Shelob, etc, etc, etc, put RotK way beyond anything in PotC.

 

[YoHo]

The skeletons were but a small percentage of the effects in LotR and they were done to different purposes which meant the entire concept was different. They were not the walking dead, but Ghosts. Different effect required.

As to the comments on story. LotR from a literary standpoint is as relevent and important as any other major 20th century work it's success at relaying that and its adaptation MUST be measured against that. Rejecting that is a rejection of Tolkien and is a completely different argument.

As far as disenting opinion. I have no problems with it, but that doesn't mean I have to let the comments stand unchallenged. There is a difference between respecting an opinion and letting it go without rebutting it. Agree to disagree is the bane of good discussion and If I want to be outrageous, well, this is the internet, I can do that too if I want to.

As far as where I'm comfortable posting. I'll mix it up here any time I like and have no problems doing so. I don't see You poppin by elsewhere very often.

It's not as if RotK is being blown out of the water in Matt's little poll anyway.




P.S. assuming that I agree with Every and anything said at that other place shows that you haven't been there, or at least, dn't read what I write.

 

[Peter Pirate]

Let comments go unchallenged? By all means challenge. Challenge away. That is what's fun...But if you think calling me a 'homer' will spur good discussion, then I have to wonder what you're thinking.

As to where you post, it's the internet you can post anywhere. Personally I generally like your posts, but I'm don't have to respect being talked down to despite the fact that it bothers me only this (') much...No, not even, but discussing IS fun.

As for the poll, it's about what I expected. Did you expect different?