Possible Comcast merger

DVCrookie

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I keep reading quick remarks about how worried people are about the possible merger between Disney and Comcast. All these remarks seem to feel this would be a bad thing for Disney fans. Nobody seems to offer any substantive reasoning behind their decisions.

Can somebody please explain to me why this would be a bad thing? I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just want to hear some sort of logical thoughts behind these statements.
 
Many believe that Comcast spends too much time talking about customer service and not enough time accomplishing it. They feel Disney would lose some of it's magic.
 
I'm not sure whether or not a merger between Comcast and Disney would be good or bad but the publicized media merger between Aol and Time Warner has not faired well. I would be hesitant if I were Disney because there might be "too many chiefs and not enough Indians" if they merge with Comcast. Disney does need new direction but the company may be better off doing it alone.
 
Many feel that Disney's own customer service has plummeted for years. Rude employees, serious cutbacks, etc. How do you feel that Comcast will make this worse. Again, please be specific.

"Magic" can mean different things to different people. Can you quantify this emotion? What things or events define magic to you? How do you think Comcast would directly effect these things or events?

I"m still missing the "why". Why would Comcast provide worse leadership than Disney has lately?
 

Originally posted by DVCrookie
Many feel that Disney's own customer service has plummeted for years. Rude employees, serious cutbacks, etc. How do you feel that Comcast will make this worse. Again, please be specific.

"Magic" can mean different things to different people. Can you quantify this emotion? What things or events define magic to you? How do you think Comcast would directly effect these things or events?

I"m still missing the "why". Why would Comcast provide worse leadership than Disney has lately?

If there is a merger between comcast and disney, there will be a period of transition where the 2 boards will have to decide on the new corporate structure between the 2 entities. This transition period could take years. I think it would be easier if 1 person was brought in to reorg disney from within while providing new direction rather fighting with another board of directors to see who keeps their job.
 
I agree with the above poster. I strongly hope the merger doesn't take place. I've heard nothing but negative about Comcast.
 
there are very substative reasons to be against the merger from both a corporate culture and business perspectove - ikes just got called to dinner ...will post the reasons in a bit
 
ok dinner is over - here is why a person would be against a disney comcast merger.

Corporate culture - The comcast corporate culture is significantly different than a Disney culture by default. Comcast has grown its business by being distribution channel in a highly commoditized business - in other words distribution is a very "value" oriented market with a value oriented pricing model. In simplest terms they grow by providing many many many units of a service at a low price, as opposed to selling only a few units of a product or service at a high price. A high price/low unit sales model is based on very high performance and quality. In low priced but high volume businesses the emphasis is not so heavily weighted to providing high quality... the emphasis is on volume. These two different markets have very different cultures associated with them.

A Comcast is likely to acquire a company and then drive quality down to obtain a lower pricing model to sell more volume. Also, as Comcast is a distribution company their focus is on the distribution itself, not the production of content. Disney on the other hand was founded and to a good degree still remains based on production of content, not on distribution. While Disney does have a distribution arm it is a byproduct of having put such intense focus on content (i.e. characters, movies, themes).

Bottom line is two disparate cultures rarely function hand in hand for long. To acquire the efficiencies associated with an acquisition often requires that one or the other of the corporate cultures must change and adhere to the others culture. This probable loss of the "disney" culture could have extremely dire consequences to the creative skill sets at a company like disney.
Lastly, mergers of dissimilar cultures usually fail. The reason being is the single most important asset you buy when you buy a company is its people. You rock the boat with the personel of the company you just bought and you can forget having a productive partnership.

Then there are the purely financial reasons why a comcast deal is not a good idea. Comcasts offer was (if I remember correctly) almost an all stock deal. And that is very very very bad. Imagine you have a company you own and you are buying another company ... you have three ways of doing this. 1) you can use the cash you have in the bank to buy the other company... but what if you do not have enough cash to do that? then you 2) borrow money at say 5 to 7% to get the cash to buy the other company. So now buying the other company will cost you all your cash and then 5 to 7% interest on the remaining debt. OR 3) you can buy the other company with stock in your company. Well if you choose to use stock in your company to buy the other company you are saying to yourslf... using my company stock will be cheaper and easier then using my cash and borrowing at 7% for the rest. Think about that for a moment... you are basically saying I would rather give up some of my ownership in my company (use my stock) then pay 7% interest. What does that say about your stock? Your stock is worth so little to you that you would rather give up some ownership rather then spend the money in your bank account earning a measely 1.9%???? that is basically saying your stock is way way way overvalued... geez you'd even rather use your stock then pay 7% interest? Yikes!!!! Or it says something even worse... I am carrying so much debt that I cannot afford to borrow much more to buy the other company.

In any of the above scenarios... in purely financial terms...the stock of an acquiring company tends to underperform the market in general for the next 2 years...often longer. And why not... the managers of the acquiring company have already said their stock is worth less to them then their cash. No wonder why it underperforms for somtimes years after an acquisition.

Now if Comcast had offered 30 dollars/share cash for disney... the deal would probably already have been done...because 30 cash is about the fair market value for the company.
 
Thanks Nataliesdaddy! Ever think about teaching in college? We need more people like you who not only understands these complex models but can also explain them in a way "layman" can grasp them.
 
Originally posted by billelissa
Thanks Nataliesdaddy! Ever think about teaching in college? We need more people like you who not only understands these complex models but can also explain them in a way "layman" can grasp them.
thanks
 
If the merger were to actually happen, I think a swap swap deal would actually be the best method. Two reasons, first - It eliminates a little bit of the who-bought-who friction. A stock swap signifies a merger - not a take over. Secondly - if the merger were to happen with borrowed money, you'd end up with a staggering load of debt after the merger. Your entire company philosphy changes to finding ways to service the debt. Disney stockholders are already complaining about the short-term outlook of the current board. We want a large profit this quarter - screw long term. A load of debt would make this worse.

There are apparently many who believe that Disney's current board of director's is asleep at the wheel today. I'm not sure I believe that a break-in period with Comcast would be that detrimental.

There's certainly no arguing with the problems of corporate culture clash. It will be real. Certainly jobs will be lost - such as a ton of administrative jobs. Probably only one corporate HR department for instance. I'm sure other duplicate functionalities would be eliminated. This can cause hard feelings. Hopefully, Disney would still be allowed to continue running the creative side of the house.

I have to admit, I have no love for the conglomerate that Disney has become (ie. ABC, ABC Family, ESPN, Miramax, The Might Ducks NHL club, the (once owned) Anaheim Angels, etc. And let's not forget the whole go.com debacle.). My interest is in the theme parks and the animation studios. And the studios are going through serious changes right now. My secret desire is to have Comcast purchase Disney, and then sell or spin off the theme park operations to another company. One that doesn't want to use the theme parks as a cash cow to fuel the underperforming television studios.
 
Originally posted by DVCrookie
If the merger were to actually happen, I think a swap swap deal would actually be the best method. Two reasons, first - It eliminates a little bit of the who-bought-who friction. A stock swap signifies a merger - not a take over. Secondly - if the merger were to happen with borrowed money, you'd end up with a staggering load of debt after the merger. Your entire company philosphy changes to finding ways to service the debt. Disney stockholders are already complaining about the short-term outlook of the current board. We want a large profit this quarter - screw long term. A load of debt would make this worse.

There are apparently many who believe that Disney's current board of director's is asleep at the wheel today. I'm not sure I believe that a break-in period with Comcast would be that detrimental.

There's certainly no arguing with the problems of corporate culture clash. It will be real. Certainly jobs will be lost - such as a ton of administrative jobs. Probably only one corporate HR department for instance. I'm sure other duplicate functionalities would be eliminated. This can cause hard feelings. Hopefully, Disney would still be allowed to continue running the creative side of the house.

I have to admit, I have no love for the conglomerate that Disney has become (ie. ABC, ABC Family, ESPN, Miramax, The Might Ducks NHL club, the (once owned) Anaheim Angels, etc. And let's not forget the whole go.com debacle.). My interest is in the theme parks and the animation studios. And the studios are going through serious changes right now. My secret desire is to have Comcast purchase Disney, and then sell or spin off the theme park operations to another company. One that doesn't want to use the theme parks as a cash cow to fuel the underperforming television studios.

First of all, the Comcast offer is/was not a merger proposal... it is an acquisition using stock. They can call it a proposal to "merge" but when you are using stock to "merge" with a party that does not want to be merged then by default it is an acquisition. Furthermore Disney shareholders will be left with 42% of the combines company. I pulled up the offer - it is assumption of debt and Comcast would issue 0.78 of a share of Comcast Class A voting common stock for each Disney share. SO they are giving up just common stock, not even classes of stock that may have preferential voting rights.

An all stock deal, I would short Comcast and go long Disney. Because the financial reality is plain - when you acquire using your stock it is because your stock is worth less to you then your cash and debt. That speaks volumes about what the Comcast CEO thinks about his company and his company's stocks future prospects.

As to their spinning off the parks - ain't going to happen.. the parks are the best performing operating segment at Disney. For them to spin off the parks they would have to say..."hey lets acquire all the worst performing assets and blow out the best "

I have said a ton of bad things about Eisner on these boards... but just because I have animous toward Eisner and what they have done with the company that does not mean I would agree with an incredibly bad low ball offer by a company that is basically just a distribution channel. Distribution channels change dramatically over relatively short periods of time. Quality content does not.
 
This asks the question: Does Comcast want to be in the theme park business? If not, then the fact that the theme parks are the best performing operating segment of Disney may make it very attractive to another buyer. Comcast may be able to recoup a significant percentage of it's acquisition costs by selling off the theme parks. (As a side note, do you suppose NBC will retain the Universal parks after purchasing Vivendi?)

Of course, this is sheer speculation. I'm no business man. Just trying to understand the situation.

So I've seen two different reasons why people are worried about the Comcast/Disney merger. First, it may be a less than stellar financial result for Disney stockholders. Second, I can only infer that there are many with just a general unease about a company that prides itself on its creativity being purchased by a company with a less creative background.

I'd like to see benefit for both companies. I certainly see a benefit for Comcast. They obtain the Disney television stations, including ABC and ESPN. However, I don't really see much of an upside for Disney. What do they gain that they don't have today? Better management?
 
Originally posted by DVCrookie DVC's commnts are in bold - Nataliesdaddy's comments are non-bold type.
This asks the question: Does Comcast want to be in the theme park business? Yes they do. It is only the theme parks and resorts that provide Disney the margins that they have, and it is the Parks and Resorts that provide the economics for the valuation Comcast derived for use in its offer. If they did not want the parks they would have made offers for individual components. If not, then the fact that the theme parks are the best performing operating segment of Disney may make it very attractive to another buyer. Comcast may be able to recoup a significant percentage of it's acquisition costs by selling off the theme parks. (As a side note, do you suppose NBC will retain the Universal parks after purchasing Vivendi?) That would leave Comcast holding the remaining underperforming assets (with the exception of ESPN which has stellar results). Regardless if they did a spinoff of the resorts and parks they would be left shouldring the burden of holding assets that would greatly reduce Comcast's ROE.

The main reason for Comcasts offer is to gain content as in the AOL Time Warner deal. AOL's stock was highly overinflated due to the internet hysteria of the 90's. They needed content as "internet distribution" was and is becoming commoditized (as is Comcast's business). SO they used extremely overvalued stock to get content (A close paralell to what comcast is trying to do. Their stock is highly overvalued). After the merger Time Warner woke up to the reality that the internet is just one distribution channel... and not necesarily the main distribution channel. AT the time everyone was prediciting the demise of traditional "brick and mortar" businesses, the demise of the retail store, the demise of the movie theatre... but that business model was extremely flawed. Quality content has an extremely long shelf life... technology does not.

Of the main distribution channels each had its heyday, and each watched competition erode their market share. The written word (the press) was the dominant distributor of content for a long time, then the radio came along took away market share and opened other markets that written words could not serve while radio technology flourished, then TV came along and took away even more market share from the Press and began to impact radio. Then satellite and cable came along taking more market share away from the press, the radio and the major networks. And each one of these advances happened in shorter and shorter increments of time. Today technologies are displaced at a frightening speed. A communications technology today can be all but obsolete in a matter of a few years.

So, we got to the point that the newspaper industry was so matured that to remain profitable you needed to start merging your operations with others to gain economies (efficiencies) of scale. Each individual newspapr had lost so much advertising revenue or seen their market share erode so fully that they could not make money as stand alones... but they could make money if a group of them banded together and then got rid of all the duplication of overhead expense. Same happened in the Radio space. Tons of merger and acquisition activity has consolidated that sector so that when you turn on the dial in any given market chances are that of the multitude of channels you are listening to... only two or three companies own almost very station on your dial... with a handful of independent niche players left.

In the TV medium, there was somwhat of the reverse. You had the major three, then each succesive new technology allowed for a broader range of services taking share away from the big three. And programming of the competition became more fragmented and niche to the point that today you have, "the food network", "the home improvement channel", "the fashion channel", "the Disney channel" etc. And then true to form, consolidation hit that sector also so that now the majority of "channels" are owned by a handful of players.

Point being is technology is changing rapidly and new distribution methods come along very frequently today. Distribution companies need to acquire content as a defensive measure to stave off loss of market share, threats to their technology, and their competitors libraries of other content. Comcast needs quality content but not at the expense of their bottom line. ABC's content is a liability. Disney's movie studios provide quality profitable content but it is far more volatile then the Parks and Resorts. Also, the movie and production division is less profitable then the Parks and Resorts. Lastly, the synergy between the Parks/resorts, and the Movie/production division have driven one another. You seperate the two and the Movie/production division losses its core driving influence.... and vice versa. To say nothing of seperating an acquirer like Comcast from Disney's main cash cow to pay down acquisition costs. What you do to pay down acquisition costs is monetize your marginally performing assets, not your best performing assets. In a sense The Parks and Resorts division subsidizes a great deal of Disney's other operating divisions. Of course, this is sheer speculation. I'm no business man. Just trying to understand the situation.

So I've seen two different reasons why people are worried about the Comcast/Disney merger. First, it may be a less than stellar financial result for Disney stockholders. Second, I can only infer that there are many with just a general unease about a company that prides itself on its creativity being purchased by a company with a less creative background.
Another reason is the reason outlined above about the rapid change in technology. Disney would in essence be tied to a technology that will be either displaced or thy will suffer loss of market share. It is wiser for a content company to be able to have extreme flexibility in choice of distribution technology and not be tied to one provider who may or may not be able to keep up with the changes. For example, there are the still relativly new 802.11 communications protocols whereby content can be delivered wirelessly. Why would a content company want to be stradled to a Hardwire cable company when there is technology coming down the pike allowing two way communications interactivity complete with streaming video over a wireless device. Essentially it is cable TV and internet access on on device delivered over the air just like the old school television channel. It is highly likely that the cable between my wall and the computer I am on will not exist in under ten years.

I'd like to see benefit for both companies. I certainly see a benefit for Comcast. They obtain the Disney television stations, including ABC and ESPN. However, I don't really see much of an upside for Disney. What do they gain that they don't have today? Better management?
Yah, there is not much of an upside for Disney. If Comcast upped the bid then there would be short term benfit to Disney sharholders (assuming they could get out of their comcast stock before it tanked). But shareholder short term benefit is not necesarily in the best interest of the long term vision or viability of the House of Mouse.

If Disney were to close or sell of its underperforming assets it would be to the benefit of every stakholder in disney... but Eisner is very stubborn about selling his alma matter ABC... in the last conference call he was still preaching about the incredible turn around that ABC was going to have. One interesting note though is he is actively pursuing investment in new distribution technologies like 802.11.
 
A couple of points I'm still not quite sure about...

First, I do not agree that Comcast's stock is as inflated as AOL's was (at one time). But I'm certainly willing to be proved wrong.

I'm not sure I understand the statements about being tied to a technology. First, I disagree that we're going to have a Wi-Fi technology in the near/mid future that will provide the bandwidth necessary for video steaming. Simply not going to happen. Especially with the government's mandate of HDTV by 2007. Your wire will be here for a long time. Secondly, Comcast is pretty much one of the largest purveyors of Video On Demand services. So content could be available both over the cable (TV) and the Internet (via the same cable). I think their distribution technology is a positive aspect of the merger. I certainly do agree that Comcast wants content. I also expect that Disney could work out arrangements to make their content available over Comcast technologies without a merger. I just don't get the point about being tied to a technology.

In fact, I'll go as far as say that Disney's understanding of technology is not particularly strong. Or at least, how they expect people to react to their technology. Look at 2 separate attempts to have single-use DVD technologies. Both tanked. Remember the DiVX fiasco? Now they want to try a self-destroying disc. It would work for a playing or two, but then self destruct. People stayed away in droves. Serious money down the drain. And I never did understand what they were trying to do with go.com. They just built another portal site. No different, no better than anybody's elses. Where's the "synergy". They seem inclined to think that people will naturally see the name Disney behind the technology and fall in line - regardless of it's merits. Only Microsoft warrants that kind of obedience. They are the 800 pound gorilla of the tech world. You ignore them at your own peril.

Speaking of which, I have some problems with the whole synergy of studios and theme parks as well. I'm not saying it's not done, it's just not done well. Maybe it's the initial costs, but Disney seems to wait to see if a movie is a success before it commits to adding that value to its theme parks. For an example, the Treasure Planet movie. The movie didn't do as well as Disney expected, so they completely scrapped plans for adding Treasure Planet related content to their theme parks. So much for synergy. Maybe if the commitment had been made, the movie would have done better. And the subsequent video release would have sold better. Maybe it's just semantics. I don't think the word synergy describes the methods Disney uses. The theme parks simply capitalize on the success of other divisions. Of course, none of this really depends on the merger or not. The "synergy" between content providers will continue no matter who owns Disney. Unless, of course, Comcast were to spin off the theme parks and keep the other content producers - such as the movie studios and television stations. However I don't believe that the (hypothetica) new owners of the theme parks would purchase them without rock-solid assurances of a continuing relationship.

Reading Comcast's press releases, the theme park business is pretty much last on their list. Almost as an afterthought. That's one of the reasons that I have my doubts they're that interested in the parks. Again, I'm certainly willing to be proved wrong. But I've heard of other large companies that have been bought and then broken up - allowing the purchaser to get the part they really wanted. Sometimes the value of the pieces is greater than the whole.

I suspect that you are right about Comcast and the theme parks, but it's fun to speculate.

As we've noted, I definitely see a benefit to Comcast if a merger were to happen. I still see little value to Disney. Then again, better management couldn't hurt. But I still don't see the reason to panic as some seem to be doing.

One quick question: When you state that the primary reason for Comcast to purchase Disney is to acquire content (ala TimeWarner/AOL), do you consider the theme parks to be content providers? Maybe I don't understand the term. The parks produce no movies, TV shows, etc.


By the way, I appreciate your time and efforts in replying to this topic. I've learned a lot. It's been fun.
 
Is MovieBeam the new technology you were thinking about?

MovieBeam appears to be a Video On Demand service that doesn't require a separate provider (such as Comcast). The signal is sent via the airwaves. A consumer would pay MovieBeam a base rental fee ($7) for a set-top box required to receive the signal. An additional fee ($2-$4) is then required for each movie.

Here's a couple of links describing the technology:

http://www.moviebeam.com/flashindex.jsp

http://www.idg.com.sg/idgwww.nsf/unidlookup/5A504A09AB7E1BCB48256DB10014D9D6?OpenDocument

http://buzzsponge.typepad.com/blog/2003/09/disneys_moviebe.html

http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/3085021

http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/009123.php

http://www.thestreet.com/funds/smarter_up/10116177.html

The Street (last link) describes my initial thoughts:

My prediction: There's a $100 million write-off headed Disney's way. This venture reminds me so much of those Disney ventures I was involved during the dot-com period. Everything they touched turned to stone. They had no feel for the marketplace or for what consumers wanted.
 
Originally posted by DVCrookie
Is MovieBeam the new technology you were thinking about?

MovieBeam appears to be a Video On Demand service that doesn't require a separate provider (such as Comcast). The signal is sent via the airwaves. A consumer would pay MovieBeam a base rental fee ($7) for a set-top box required to receive the signal. An additional fee ($2-$4) is then required for each movie.

Here's a couple of links describing the technology:

http://www.moviebeam.com/flashindex.jsp

http://www.idg.com.sg/idgwww.nsf/unidlookup/5A504A09AB7E1BCB48256DB10014D9D6?OpenDocument

http://buzzsponge.typepad.com/blog/2003/09/disneys_moviebe.html

http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/3085021

http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/009123.php

http://www.thestreet.com/funds/smarter_up/10116177.html

The Street (last link) describes my initial thoughts:

well no, that was not the technology I was thinking of. But that looked pretty cool.

I am the lead banker on a transaction for a homeland security systems developer and integrator. Developed in tandem with various entities, his system can wirelessly deliver to your laptop anywhere in the world the precise status of an asset with: discription of movement, status outside and inside the asset, precise latitude and longitude, measurement from any number of biological, chemical and nuclear sensors, listening capabilities to determine whether an oncoming land based object is a human, a two - four - six or eight cylinder...or diesel ...all with the ability to stream live video and provide two way instant messaging capability. I have to believe that if he can do all that ... on a global basis... then providing just a video stream should be no problem. Part of the system, by the way, uses wifi. A good bit of it is compression technology. Another part is multiplxingtechnology. And a lot of it is how you translate and integrate 20 seperate communications protocols into one user interface. But bandwidth is not a problem. Moores law as applied to data transmission.

But I have no doubt - cable will still be here. And just like each of its predecessor technologies it will become yet one more distribution method that eventually loses market share becoming one of those services that people still use because they can't afford the superior alternative. Much like the big three networks today. They haven't gone away but they have lost tremendous market share. If you can't afford cable or satellite then you can still watch the big three, but if you can afford one of the alternatives the odds of you watching ABC, CBS, or NBC as your total source of media goes way way down.

I will respond to your previous post when I get somemore downtime.
 














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