Pool Hopping to Pools other than SAB at YC/BC?

[Horace Horsecollar]

I just tool another look at the official Pool Hopping rules:
<hr><blockquote>Pool-Hopping Information for 2003

Members and their Guests staying with them at Disney's Old Key West Resort, Disney's BoardWalk Villas, The Villas at Disney's Wilderness Lodge, and Disney's Beach Club Villas are permitted to use other Disney Vacation Club and Walt Disney World ® resort hotel pools (in addition to the resort hotel at which you are staying) if the resort hotel pools are not at capacity. If the pool you are visiting reaches capacity, you may be asked to leave in order to accommodate Guests of that resort hotel. Please check with a Host/Hostess at the Front Desk of the resort hotel you wish to visit to find out about pool-access availability. You must present your Walt Disney World ® Resort ID card with your "DVC Member" designation on it to use the other pools. This offer is not available at Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge and Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts.

Resort hotel pools may become unavailable from time to time due to capacity limitations. Due to the high occupancy that is expected, Disney Vacation Club Members may not "pool hop" during the following dates*:
 o  June 30, 2003 - July 6, 2003
 o  November 24 - 30, 2003
 o  December 20, 2003 - January 3, 2004

*Other restricted dates may be added based on projected pool capacity. </blockquote><hr>
I know we can't use SAB if we're staying at BWV, OKW, or VWL. But does this really mean that we can't use the quiet pools at BC? How about the pool at BCV, which is, after all, part of the YC/BC complex?

It would seem to me that the BC quiet pool or the BCV pool would be a good place to spend an hour or two in the middle of the day when visiting Epcot. But the rules say, "This offer is not available at Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge and Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts." The restriction isn't limited to SAB.

Has anyone looked into this?

 

[CaptainMidnight]

As Mister Bill (Old SNL) would say..."Ohhhhh......Noooooo........."

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Originally posted by CaptainMidnight
As Mister Bill (Old SNL) would say..."Ohhhhh......Noooooo........."

Why that reaction? I thought I asked a legitimate question. I know I that there have been many discussions of Pool Hopping lately, but if there's been a clear answer to whether the YC/BC restriction applies only to SAB or to any pool in the YC/BC complex, I've missed it.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

There was a thread on this a little while back, but a definitive answer was never made clear.

In my opinion, we must look at the spirit in which the rule was written. The intention was to keep folks out of SAB, so my GUESS would be it's okay to hop to the quiet pools.

 

[jade1]

"In my opinion, we must look at the spirit in which the rule was written. The intention was to keep folks out of SAB, so my GUESS would be it's okay to hop to the quiet pools.
I agree, but would go to the BWV pool before the BCV pool anyway-just a prefrence on our part though.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by Horace Horsecollar
Why that reaction? I thought I asked a legitimate question. I know I that there have been many discussions of Pool Hopping lately, but if there's been a clear answer to whether the YC/BC restriction applies only to SAB or to any pool in the YC/BC complex, I've missed it.

Why the reaction? Well, for one there's this thread:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=3684877#post3684877

Two, I thought it was fairly light hearted....

Three, there's this response:

Why that reaction? I thought I
asked a legitimate question......

Sure, it is legit, refer to #2 and chalk it up to one of those days.....

Have fun pool hopping.

 

[Dean]

I haven't seen a definite answer either but my guess is it depends on who you ask. One of the things I hate about WDW and DVC. The part I actually find more concerning is that you could call and ask if it's OK to use one of the allowed pools only to arrive and be denied entry or worse, asked to leave about the time you get wet.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
In my opinion, we must look at the spirit in which the rule was written. The intention was to keep folks out of SAB, so my GUESS would be it's okay to hop to the quiet pools.

If that is the intent (and my guess is that it is), I wish that that they would come out and say so. They could just as easily write, "This offer is not available at Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge and at Stormalong Bay (the main pool at Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts)."

Originally posted by CaptainMidnight
Why the reaction? Well, for one there's this thread:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=3684877#post3684877

Yes, that was a monster thread with tons of discussion about SAB and "fairness." But my question isn't about SAB. It's about the other pools that are near Epcot's International Gateway.

Originally posted by Dean
I haven't seen a definite answer either but my guess is it depends on who you ask. One of the things I hate about WDW and DVC. The part I actually find more concerning is that you could call and ask if it's OK to use one of the allowed pools only to arrive and be denied entry or worse, asked to leave about the time you get wet.

Very well put, Dean! That's exactly the point.

One CM may see and enforce the intent of the rule (no pool hopping only at SAB), while another may see and enforce the letter of the rule (no pool hopping anywhere at YC/BC).

 

[trishy]

BCV quiet pool belongs to the villas which is a DVC resort pool - therefore you can pool hop during allowed hours. However the BC resort pool and SAB are excluded from pool hopping (we asked MS about this about 2 weeks ago when confirming up some ressies).

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by trishy
BCV quiet pool belongs to the villas which is a DVC resort pool - therefore you can pool hop during allowed hours. However the BC resort pool and SAB are excluded from pool hopping (we asked MS about this about 2 weeks ago when confirming up some ressies).

That's the problem, that's not what the rule says. There's no rule that says DVC properties are excluded from the limitations. MS may say it's ok and you may still be asked to leave or not allowed to visit. If you do call and check availability at ANY pool for PH, make sure you get the name of the person that said ok.

 

[trishy]

Originally posted by Horace Horsecollar
This offer is not available at Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge and Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts.

But does this really mean that we can't use the quiet pools at BC? How about the pool at BCV, which is, after all, part of the YC/BC complex?

Actually, it does say this. This offer is not available at Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge and Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts so the Y&BC quiet pools are not in the PH program, yet the BCV quiet pool is. Although BCV is part of the BC complex, it is technically for many purposes, esp. including bookkeeping, a DVC facility. (not that anyone would really want to Ph there - BCV quiet pool - anyway. I don't see the appeal. )


edited: to put the (s) on the end of Y&BC quiet "pool", as I didn't clarify it very well. Thanks.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Originally posted by trishy
Actually, it does say this. This offer is not available at Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge and Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts so the Y&BC quiet pool is not in the PH program, yet the BCV quiet pool is.

There's no such thing as "the Y&BC quiet pool." The YC and BC each have a quiet pool. There is no reason why either of these pools should be excluded from pool hopping. I'm not aware that they ever have capacity issues, and there's certainly no logical reason why they should be totally excluded from the DVC pool hopping program.

My theory is that the person who wrote the restriction equated "Stormalong Bay" to "Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts," and didn't give any thought to the other pools.

I share Dean's concern that one CM will tell you you can pool hop at any YC&BC pool except SAB; another will say you can only pool hop at the Dunes Cove pool at the Villas; while still another may say that pool hopping is forbidden anywhere in the YC&BC complex.

But I agree with you that, based on the wording, you could make a strong case that you're allowed to pool hop to Dunes Cove.

Originally posted by trishy
Although BCV is part of the BC complex, it is technically for many purposes, esp. including bookkeeping, a DVC facility. (not that anyone would really want to Ph there - BCV quiet pool - anyway. I don't see the appeal. )

Bookkeeping is not an issue. Being a DVC facility is not an issue. Pool hopping applies to any pool at a Disney-owned WDW hotel, unless there is a good reason not to have it.

Pool hopping is a DVC member benefit. It gives DVC members more options during their stays at WDW DVC resorts (at a very minimal cost to WDW), and thus encourages DVC sales, especially add-on sales. In the end, the profits from Disney Vacation Development and the management fee from DVC operations all roll up to the same WDW and Disney Attractions executives. That's the only real bookkeeping issue.

As far as not seeing the appeal is concerned, please allow me to offer another opinion. The BC quiet pool is very close to Epcot's International Gateway. Dunes Cove at the Villas is a longer walk, but it's still much more convenient than heading back to Epcot's main entrance and heading back to VWL, OKW, or SSR to use the pool where one is staying. For those who equate pool hopping to water slide hopping, the quiet pools may not be appealing -- but for those who like to relax, swim, and cool off, these quiet pools are a great place to take a break while visiting Epcot.

 

[Simba's Mom]

I asked this question on the boards about a month ago. I was going to OKW, and wanted to visit my other home, BCV, and use the quiet pool. I couldn't get any definite answer on whether or not it was OK. But I did figure out that "Ask 3 different people-get 3 different answers-yes, no, maybe." So when I was at WDW, I must admit I didn't call ahead. What if the CM I get that time says "No", then I call back 15 minutes later to be told "Yes"?! So I just went on over to the quiet pool at BCV. No, it wasn't at all crowded (or I probably would have left). Did I do wrong? Ask 3 people and I'd get 3 different answers-"Yes","No, and "Maybe".

 

[Pa@okw95]

Simba's Mom has the answer you hear most at WDW, that being ask 3 different people and you get 3 different answers. I think if many people take advantage of the pool hopping thing it will have to come to an end. It just is not fair to the people that pay for the pool where they are staying. It may have been o-k when we had 5000 or so members but now that we have what is it 70,000 I think it will soon come to an end, pool hopping no more.

 

[Dean]

Was talking to MS today and asked them this question. The person I spoke to said it applied to all the pools.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by Dean
Was talking to MS today and asked them this question. The person I spoke to said it applied to all the pools.

That's how the quote above for Pool-Hopping Information for 2003 reads to me.

 

[Uncleromulus]

Although at the "quiet pools" there probably won't be anyone around who will even be checking on who's swimming--(?)

 

[Disney Doll]

I would venture a guess that if the quiet pool at the BCV wasn't packed with guests actually staying there so that your presence there would actually preclude a BCV guest from being able to use that pool, and you, as a DVC member, took a break from Epcot and went to that pool for a couple of hours in the afternoon, you probably wouldn't run into any problem. I have yet to meet a gestapo-like Disney CM who will throw you out of somewhere "just because".

Now, were you, as a DVC member NOT staying at the BCV, to go to the quiet pool at the BCV and be a problem(ie-break the pool rules), then I am sure that a Disney CM would call upon the "no pool hopping to any YC/BC pool" rule as a means to make you leave.

It's nebulous for a reason.

 

[Ashley's mom]

What is all the hatefulness about? What is the point of all the hostile reaction on every single thread about pool hopping. You'd think that people were coming to the angry person's PERSONAL pool and standing on the side of the pool and PEEING in it! For crying outloud. It's PATHETIC PEOPLE! I recognize that there are guidelines - rules - to reckon with - but why get worked up if someone isn't following them? If they get caught they get thrown out. If they don't get caught, what's it to you? REALLY? It's Disneyworld...let's all try to get along and remember this isn't a matter of life and death or something. Certainly nothing to get all bent out of shape about. For goodness sake, it isn't YOUR pool. What kind of "only child tattle-talers" do we have here? Geesh. Take a vacation or get laid or an enema or something

 

[Ashley's mom]

my previous response was really directed at the thread that was referenced in THIS thread....gee, it got ugly.....people have been nice in this thread....so if my response seemed over the top - just go READ that other referenced thread for a few pages.....it'll make your bloodpressure soar.....ok....I'm calm now....deep cleansing breaths.....heading out to the travel agent to schedule that vacation now.....NOTE TO SELF: ignore any threads that say ANYTHING about pool hopping. Monsters rear their ugly heads....