Political Experience

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by diznygirl
Rokkitsci - that was an excellent post. There is an awful lot to think about. However, the editorial at the end was a bit much - I'm trying to see past the name calling and see each candidate on their own merits. So far all I have to go on is "Kerry is a flip-flopping spoiled rich man who did nothing with his 20 years in the senate" and "Bush is an ignorant spoiled rich kid who lied to the American peeople in order to make a lot of money for daddy's friends."

Based on your reasoning, the old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes to mind. Bush has taken care of us in the last four years and we should give him another four. Problem is these last four years domestically have been pretty rough. Invading Iraq may protect us from terrorists (although I'm still not sure about it) but it does nothing to put food on the table. Who was it that promised "A car in every garage and a chicken in every pot?" He knew what he was talking about.

So I know Bush wants to cut taxes to help the economy, but how are we going to pay for the war? Is there enough money to do both?

It has been rough domestically because we inherited an economy that was entering a recession (bubble burst before Bush took office), and soon after Bush took office, we had a MASSIVE terror attack. The economy has vastly improved. . .the recovery has been remarkable; any other country would have gone into a depression had they had their financial center destroyed as well as their major defense center attacked.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Earth to julia: The war on terrorism will never be over.

And started a war that had nothing to do with it?

In fact, when the Iraq war was started, it took troops away from afghanistan. You know, the place that actually HAD al qaeda
?

You know, according to you and John Kerry, the war on terror should be fought strictly in Afghanistan. . .as if that was the major front.

I just heard Richard Miniter speak today. His book, Shadow War, recently came out. In the interview, he stated that over 3000 al Quaeda operatives have been captured and killed in 102 countries. To suggest that the "front" is Afghanistan is just ludicrous. He also states that there is evidence to suggest that bin Laden and his nutcase followers are in Pakistan.

earth to chadfromdallas: The War on Terror can be won if we fight it.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by jfulcer
And people wonder why the entire middle east, and Muslims everywhere HATE the USA? Because statements like this brand EVERY Muslim a terrorist with garbage like this. (The quote did not say "A Small minority of Muslims need to be stopped"...) Like yuo said, every Muslim is NOT a terrorist. I know quite a few Muslims and they are all peaceful, caring people that are as appalled at the Terrorists as we are. The ones that I've directly talked with about it are ashamed that the extremists go to such lengths. Why are the extremists like this? Because even though ONE person wrote this, many thousands of Muslims will read this and say "wow, America sure is short sighted". The ones that were teetering on the edge will now say "America is out to kill us, let's kill them first".

This is like saying that because there are few bad priests that molest little kids that all priests are child molestors.

In addition I can think of many things that have happened inside our borders that can be considered terrorist, and they are not Muslims.

To ignore the fact that the VAST majority of terrorists are Muslim is denying FACT.

You state that you can think of many things that have happened inside our borders that can be considered terrorist, and they are were not all committed by Muslims. As I just pointed out on another thread, when something reprehensible like this is done here, ALL of America gasps in horror. This does NOT happen in the Middle East, where parades gather and where candy is passed out to children and where they congratulate themselves on a successful attack. When Timothy McVeigh detonated his bomb, was there a response ANYWHERE in America such as this? And, truthfully, I can't think of "many" others, as you suggest. Jayna Davis' book, The Third Terrorist would make some interesting reading for you.

A culture that can produce this many terrorists (Daniel Pipes has estimated that 8% of all Muslims are extremists--the world population is estimated at 1.5 BILLION), needs reform. There is something corrupt here if they can repeatedly commit rape and murder and torture in the name of ANY political or religious ideology.

 

[Kendra17]

The political climate regarding
Americans and their safety is worse

No event conceivable could unite a country more than a sneak attack. . . except in the United States.

9-11 demands nothing less than a paradigm shift in the hearts and minds of the population. Unfortunately, so many--particularly on the left--are so wedded to their agenda. They are incapable of seeing that events have superseded that agenda.

This inability to see the fundamental change in this world that 9-11 has created is the foundation of the apparent divisiveness in our society.

As the world changes around them, many people in this country will not admit this. Because their agenda is such a core part of who they think that they are, they will hang on to that agenda until it is literally impossible to ignore the enemy at our doorstep.

 

[luvthatduke]

"I know quite a few Muslims and they are all peaceful, caring people that are as appalled at the Terrorists as we are. The ones that I've directly talked with about it are ashamed that the extremists go to such lengths."

So, they think there is an acceptable length to go to??

I don't hate anyone on this Earth, and to use America's
legitimate questions & fears as fodder to encourage
more hatred - whether founded or unfounded in the past -
really feeds into the extremist's hands.

I'm among those who question why there aren't
peaceful Muslims around the world speaking out.

Why aren't mosques around the U.S. holding
community days & fairs on a par with thousands
of churches?
Why aren't thousands of Muslim
communities speaking out - even a few would be noticed,
but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot to report on, does there?

Why aren't Muslim clerics begging to be heard on
talk radio & newspaper editorials?

While I believe that Islam desires to be a peaceful
faith, I find the silence and passivity of it's followers
at the least, disheartening - and at the most, frightening.

The fact remains that it was Muslims who have
consistently attacked us, it was Muslims that brought
war to our soil, and it's Muslims - even Chechen Muslims -
who continue to commit unspeakable violence,
all in the name of their "peaceful" religion.

This has gotten OT, but my question to those who don't like it
when you're reminded of the Muslim influence:
Why aren't there more speaking out?
Why aren't there more (or even any??)
demanding publicly for mercy to be shown to captives?
Why didn't millions of Muslims around the world
join the chorus of nations in deploring the massacre
of children in Beslan??

If my questions make Muslims hate me or America,
then that is an answer in itself.

 

[chadfromdallas]

Originally posted by Kendra17
To suggest that the "front" is Afghanistan is just ludicrous. He also states that there is evidence to suggest that bin Laden and his nutcase followers are in Pakistan.

earth to chadfromdallas: The War on Terror can be won if we fight it.

We had Bin laden cornered in Afghanistan before Iraq started. We might actually have him this day if we didn't divert forces to Iraq.

The war on terror will never be won! Bushy even admits this...

Originally said by President Bush
I don't think you can win it.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0831-21.htm

http://usliberals.about.com/b/a/109110.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2004/300804cannotbewon.htm

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-08/31/content_370413.htm

http://www.rense.com/general57/terror.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1202862/posts

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040830_2090.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bushwaronterror.html

 

[Rokkitsci]

Originally posted by luvthatduke
"I know quite a few Muslims and they are all peaceful, caring people that are as appalled at the Terrorists as we are. The ones that I've directly talked with about it are ashamed that the extremists go to such lengths."

So, they think there is an acceptable length to go to??

I don't hate anyone on this Earth, and to use America's
legitimate questions & fears as fodder to encourage
more hatred - whether founded or unfounded in the past -
really feeds into the extremist's hands.

I'm among those who question why there aren't
peaceful Muslims around the world speaking out.

Why aren't mosques around the U.S. holding
community days & fairs on a par with thousands
of churches?
Why aren't thousands of Muslim
communities speaking out - even a few would be noticed,
but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot to report on, does there?

Why aren't Muslim clerics begging to be heard on
talk radio & newspaper editorials?

While I believe that Islam desires to be a peaceful
faith, I find the silence and passivity of it's followers
at the least, disheartening - and at the most, frightening.

The fact remains that it was Muslims who have
consistently attacked us, it was Muslims that brought
war to our soil, and it's Muslims - even Chechen Muslims -
who continue to commit unspeakable violence,
all in the name of their "peaceful" religion.

This has gotten OT, but my question to those who don't like it
when you're reminded of the Muslim influence:
Why aren't there more speaking out?
Why aren't there more (or even any??)
demanding publicly for mercy to be shown to captives?
Why didn't millions of Muslims around the world
join the chorus of nations in deploring the massacre
of children in Beslan??

If my questions make Muslims hate me or America,
then that is an answer in itself.

Exactly correct - as you and Kendra have pointed out so well, there IS no outrage among the Muslim communities - even those here in America.

I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have seen a Muslim Imam on TV denouncing these murderous scum.

And when you see the "street" in Muslim countries all over the world celebrating the WTC attack - the bombing of of another bus load of children - the killing of our military forces - you must wonder about the real teachings of this "religion of peace."

I - for one - would be willing to outlaw the practice of Islam in the United states until worldwide terrorism committed by muslims has been eliminated. I would lock up the mosques. I would send ever Imam back to their country of origin - if they were American citizens, I would put them on probation.

We have in our midst agents of a foreign influence whose manifest goal is to destroy our society, our way of life, our very lives if we do not conform to their dark-age doctrine.

I say = recognize the enemy for who he is and eliminate them wherever he is found.

And please spare me the incoherent rants about Timothy McVeigh and the abortion clinic bombers. As was pointed out by Kendra - nobody celebrated and passed out candy to cheering mobs when these atrocities occurred. As a nation, we recoiled in horror that such a thing could happen. We put every force at our disposal to find them and prosecute them.

 

[Rokkitsci]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
We had Bin laden cornered in Afghanistan before Iraq started. We might actually have him this day if we didn't divert forces to Iraq.

The war on terror will never be won! Bushy even admits this...

If he was 'cornered' then why didn't we find him. The last place anyone has seen him was in the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan, on the border of Pakistan.

To suggest he was "cornered" there is quite simplistic. Have you seen even a photo of the terrain?? It is some of the most rugged mountains in the world, riddled with caves that have been used as hiding places for thousands of years and the locals who inhabit the area are fierce tribal loyalists.

Give me an inkling of your search pattern to find him there. Would you get a line of soldiers at arms length to just walk through the area like boy scouts searching a field for a missing child? Try thinking about how you would do it. Try thinking.

And, I think I will not waste time on your drivel in the future anyway. If you cannot communicate without calling the president of the United States a derogotory name means you don't have the proper intellectual makeup of a serious human. You are just a mean-spirited intellectual failure.

I know this will cause you to lose some sleep, but = who cares?

You are unworthy of any more attention.

 

[chadfromdallas]

Originally posted by Rokkitsci
And, I think I will not waste time on your drivel in the future anyway. If you cannot communicate without calling the president of the United States a derogotory name means you don't have the proper intellectual makeup of a serious human. You are just a mean-spirited intellectual failure.

I know this will cause you to lose some sleep, but = who cares?

You are unworthy of any more attention.

You really are hopeless. I do feel sorry for you

Keep eating up those Bush lies

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by Rokkitsci
And, I think I will not waste time on your drivel in the future anyway.

I think what we have here is a glass house/stone throwing situation.

Originally posted by Rokkitsci
You are just a mean-spirited intellectual failure.

And then there's the classic pot/kettle/black situation.

Originally posted by Rokkitsci
I know this will cause you to lose some sleep, but = who cares?

Originally posted by Rokkitsci
You are unworthy of any more attention.

Yup, every dog smells his own.

 

[Rokkitsci]

To the two posters who have never posted a cogent thought.

Keep up the searches of the hate-bush websites. Perhaps someone will post something there you can use to pretend you are thinking.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
We had Bin laden cornered in Afghanistan before Iraq started. We might actually have him this day if we didn't divert forces to Iraq.

The war on terror will never be won! Bushy even admits this...

Do you deliberately take quotes out of context or do you just not bother doing any research?


As for finding bin Laden, while that would have been nice, do you really think it would have ended terrorism? You understand the concept of martyrdom, right? I think that's one reason why we HAVEN'T heard if we found him or not

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by dmadman43

I think that's one reason why we HAVEN'T heard if we found him or not

Bingo

 

[denisenh]

Originally posted by Rokkitsci
Exactly correct - as you and Kendra have pointed out so well, there IS no outrage among the Muslim communities - even those here in America.

I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have seen a Muslim Imam on TV denouncing these murderous scum.

And when you see the "street" in Muslim countries all over the world celebrating the WTC attack - the bombing of of another bus load of children - the killing of our military forces - you must wonder about the real teachings of this "religion of peace."

I - for one - would be willing to outlaw the practice of Islam in the United states until worldwide terrorism committed by muslims has been eliminated. I would lock up the mosques. I would send ever Imam back to their country of origin - if they were American citizens, I would put them on probation.

We have in our midst agents of a foreign influence whose manifest goal is to destroy our society, our way of life, our very lives if we do not conform to their dark-age doctrine.

I say = recognize the enemy for who he is and eliminate them wherever he is found.

And please spare me the incoherent rants about Timothy McVeigh and the abortion clinic bombers. As was pointed out by Kendra - nobody celebrated and passed out candy to cheering mobs when these atrocities occurred. As a nation, we recoiled in horror that such a thing could happen. We put every force at our disposal to find them and prosecute them.

Interestingly enough without the Muslims in Florida voting for President Bush, we would have had President Gore.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by Rokkitsci
To the two posters who have never posted a cogent thought.

Keep up the searches of the hate-bush websites. Perhaps someone will post something there you can use to pretend you are thinking.

Have I mentioned that I really enjoy your posts?

 

[Galahad]

Interestingly enough without the Muslims in Florida voting for President Bush, we would have had President Gore.

But that's a logical non-starter. You can just as accurately say that without the "Cubans/Beef Farmers/Obstetricians/Lockheed Martin Employees" voting for Bush....etc......etc.

 

[denisenh]

Originally posted by Galahad
But that's a logical non-starter. You can just as accurately say that without the "Cubans/Beef Farmers/Obstetricians/Lockheed Martin Employees" voting for Bush....etc......etc.

Well, twist it whichever way you like so that it may suit you. It is a fact that without the muslim vote in Florida President Bush would not be President.

 

[jrydberg]

The left-handed Hungarian vote is actually what won it for him

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by denisenh
Well, twist it whichever way you like so that it may suit you. It is a fact that without the muslim vote in Florida President Bush would not be President.

Well, I would guess that Kerry will get that vote this time.

 

[denisenh]

Originally posted by Rokkitsci
Exactly correct - as you and Kendra have pointed out so well, there IS no outrage among the Muslim communities - even those here in America.

I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have seen a Muslim Imam on TV denouncing these murderous scum.

And when you see the "street" in Muslim countries all over the world celebrating the WTC attack - the bombing of of another bus load of children - the killing of our military forces - you must wonder about the real teachings of this "religion of peace."

I - for one - would be willing to outlaw the practice of Islam in the United states until worldwide terrorism committed by muslims has been eliminated. I would lock up the mosques. I would send ever Imam back to their country of origin - if they were American citizens, I would put them on probation.

We have in our midst agents of a foreign influence whose manifest goal is to destroy our society, our way of life, our very lives if we do not conform to their dark-age doctrine.

I say = recognize the enemy for who he is and eliminate them wherever he is found.

And please spare me the incoherent rants about Timothy McVeigh and the abortion clinic bombers. As was pointed out by Kendra - nobody celebrated and passed out candy to cheering mobs when these atrocities occurred. As a nation, we recoiled in horror that such a thing could happen. We put every force at our disposal to find them and prosecute them.

My comment was aimed at the above post by Rokkitsci. I find it interesting that Rokkitsci (among others), appears to be "pro" President Bush and appears to dislike muslims as a whole.
My statement stands.
"Interestingly enough without the Muslims in Florida voting for President Bush, we would have had President Gore."