Political: Celebrities declare own war -- on Bush

Lanshark

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I don't care if they express their views. That is their right. It is my right to determine if I spend my money on their movies, cds, concerts or books. That's what makes this country what it is. They can choose to talk and I can choose whether to listen.

What do you think? Celebrities expressing their political views is not a new thing but it has gotten nastier.
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Celebrities declare own war -- on Bush
By William Keck
USA TODAY


In what's shaping up as one of the nastiest presidential races in decades, Bush-bashing is turning into an en vogue celebrity sport.

But unsolicited anti-Bush rhetoric, which appears to be spinning out of control, is alienating both Republicans and Democrats.

Recent examples:

* At a John Kerry fundraiser July 8, Whoopi Goldberg delivered several crude puns on Bush's name. Complaints led to Goldberg's firing as a Slim-Fast spokeswoman and admonishments from both parties.

* At a concert July 14, rocker Ozzy Osbourne sang War Pigs while projecting an image of Bush with Adolf Hitler. After complaints, it was dropped from shows.

* Hip-hop artist Jadakiss' hit Why blames Bush for 9/11. He sings: ''Why did Bush knock down the towers?'' Some radio stations have edited out the line.

Even Linda Ronstadt's seemingly innocuous plea at her concert Saturday in Las Vegas to see the Bush-bashing movie Fahrenheit 9/11 angered some listeners and got her axed by the Aladdin Hotel/Casino.

Though these incidents seem extreme, celebrities, especially musicians, have long caused controversy during times of war, says presidential scholar Doug Brinkley of the Eisenhower Center and author of Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War.

''This is not new behavior. During Vietnam, Hollywood vehemently denounced Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon,'' Brinkley says. ''We had the Smothers Brothers on TV and actors like Donald Sutherland and Jane Fonda.''

Brinkley says Bush-bashing has ''reached a crescendo'' because of the war in Iraq.

''Artists like to see themselves as anti-war,'' he says. ''Being a pacifist comes with the territory.''

Fahrenheit 9/11 has further rallied celebs, many who ''aren't deep intellectual thinkers,'' Brinkley says.

Some celebrities feed off controversy. ''You score points in Hollywood by being outlandish, so there's a publicity aspect to this,'' Brinkley says.

Not surprisingly, both parties are putting spins on the controversy.

''The hate and vitriol that has surrounded Kerry's campaign has existed for months,'' Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt says. Democrats are distancing themselves from offending celebs. Kerry spokeswoman Allison Dobson says: ''A lot of these things we don't have anything to do with. These folks don't speak for (us).''

Goldberg says she finds indignation about Bush-bashing disingenuous, particularly while ''candidate bashing has become the norm . . . on television, in speeches or Sunday morning programs.''

''It seems odd to me that anyone would act surprised when bashing has become second nature,'' Goldberg said in a statement. ''Look at the commercials. They bash each other to look better.''

Even so, Dobson says Kerry hopes that celebrity supporters will keep things positive. ''But of course, we don't control them.''
 
Brinkley says Bush-bashing has ''reached a crescendo'' because of the war in Iraq.

Crescendo implies that it has reached its peak.... sadly I really doubt thats the case.

This is only going to get worse. :rolleyes:

again, my opinion is who cares what a bunch of overpaid self indulgent "stars" think?

I know that is painting with a broad stroke and it certainly isnt meant for EVERY "star"
but why would their opinion mean anything anyone? Theyre still just everyday people.
 
Free speech comes with responsiblity. You can say whatever you want, but if people get mad and stop buying your products or wanting you as their spokesperson, because you fail to attract lots of people to their product, you have to face the consequences.

I've always though Whoopi Goldberg was pretty funny. I haven't really seen her in much lately because I just don't pay attention to current entertainment.

Jadakiss = :rolleyes: IMHO, all gangsta rap sounds alike and most of these guys will have their 15 minutes and be gone.

Ozzy kinda has made it his schtick to be shocking. I think he comes across as a sad fading rocker. I still like his old music from back when hard rock was really popular.

I don't even know what to say about Linda Rondstat. She has a nice voice, but I never think "Politics = Linda Rondstat"

What always gets me is when guys like Sean Penn go to war torn countries like Iraq to visit sick kids in hospitals. I always think "These kids don't have a clue who you are; nor do they care." They want to see doctors and people to help them, not so0me creepy american actor guy they don't know who is there for a publicity photo.
 
As I said, it's not a new thing for celebrities to express their political views. I think the Linda Ronstadt was blown way out of proportion by the media. She dedicated a song. The audience reacted. It didn't sound as if she ranted or lectured.

I guess I'm wondering why so much is being made out of all of this in the media. Are celebrities really nastier and more vocal or are we just exposed to it more because 24/7 news has to find something to talk about..
 

The thing that amuses me about Whoopi:

She's a comedian. Her job is to make people laugh.

Get over it.
 
Originally posted by Lanshark
Are celebrities really nastier and more vocal or are we just exposed to it more because 24/7 news has to find something to talk about..

I think the news needs something to talk about.
 
I don't think celebrities are getting nastier - but rather that there is a large group of people that do not support Bush or the war in Iraq.

When Celebrities make their political statements it always reminds me of the movie "Princess Diaries" where the Lilly tells Mia - I wish I was you so that my voice could be heard. Or something like that. I kind of think it is a celebrities repsonsibility to voice their opinions - Do we all have to agree, no. But they might be speaking for a group of people who do not have an audience to hear them.

I'll use Bono from U2 as an example. He has used his celebrity status to do a lot when it comes to the AIDS plight in Africa. He is well thought out when he does his public speaking and is using his celebrity status to forward a cause that otherwise may not get as much attention. I like that he does this - because he uses intelligence when he does it.

Other celebrities such as Sharon Stone and Bette Midler have use their status to promote different causes. And Bette during Dessert Storm came out with a very powerful song, "From a Distance."

Do I support Whoopi standing up and making vulgar comments about Bush in a sexual way - No. (And I support Kerry) because it is not intelligent and does not make people think.

One of my favorite songs is from the 60's

For What It’s Worth

There's something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun over there, telling me I've got to beware.
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound, everybody look, what's going down.

There's battle lines are being drawn. Nobody's right if everybody's wrong.
Young people speaking their minds are getting so much resistance from behind.
Time we stop, hey, what's that sound, everybody look, what's going down.

What a field day for the heat. A thousand people in the street
singing songs and carrying signs, mostly say "hooray for our side."
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound, everybody look, what's going down.

Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep.
It starts when you're always afraid. Step outta line, the man come and take you away.
We better stop, hey, what's that sound, everybody look, what's going down.

~Amanda
 
Every celebrity knows that any publicity is "good" publicity for them. So they will do whatever is necessary to get their name in the media, because heaven forbid we "little people" forget that they are "stars." :rolleyes: This being an election year, it gives them all the more reason to speak out.

Let them speak, sing, whine, moan, shout, whatever. Too many celebrities have forgotten the old adage: "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
 
What I find just amazing about all this is the obvious double standard from the right. They don't seem to have any problem with someone like Dennis Miller insinuating that Kerry and Edwards are gay lovers, or Rush (Got Any Oxy I Could "Borrow") Limbaugh accusing - incorrectly, as usual - Kerry of having an affair, but Whoopi freakin' Goldberg is suddenly an enemy of the state because she made a joke about Bush that offended the oh-so-delicate sensibilities of the right ? (That would be the same group that saw pictures of naked Iraqi's and called it a "fraternity stunt" :rolleyes: )

Give me a break ::yes::
 
Whoopi has ALWAYS had a vulgar comedy routine and have ALWAYS been a very liberal Democrat. I'm sure that Slim Fast knew this when they hired her.

As far as everyone else goes, if I was in a celebrity position and able to speak my mind about something that I believed in or in this case, don't believe in(war in Iraq) I would certainly open my mouth.

For as many people that do not support the celebrities that are out spoken, there are just as many(if not more) that do.

Amanda - good choice of a song! How about One Tin Soldier?
 
Responsibility? To whom?

To themselves. Like I said - I do not admire the celebrities that say things that are sensational. What I do admire is people that use their popularity to promote a cause that might not get the attention if they were not there.

If had any type of celebrity status I would be speaking my mind as well, hopefully in an intelligent and respectful manner.

~Amanda
 
Doesn't it seem that just about everything these days is taken to an extreme?

I guess you have to consider the source. Some entertainers make sincere, relevant statements, but most of them are not rocket scientists. And regardless of whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, there are likely celebrities supporting your candidate who you would just as soon see go away!

As with just about any discussion like this, I try to remember that if someone says something that offends me, there are probably a lot of people "on my side" that have said things that have offended "the other side"!

I'm sure there are a lot of people who see no problem with Whoopi Goldberg, but their blood boils when a professional athlete uses their celebrity platform to share their faith.
 
I really couldn't care less what a celebrity thinks about Bush or Kerry.
I think I dislike the disrespect more than anything.
I feel like celebrities are in a powerful postion and a lot of people look to them for opinions :rolleyes: And so , to me, it is ashame that instead of coming together in support of our troops, they'll do more dividing than anything. Oh well.
 
1 - Total mentions by Faux News of the Whoopi comments in the day following (according to media matters): 33. Total mentions of the Dennis Miller comments insinuating that Senators Kerry and Edwards were gay lovers: 0.

Chance of hypocrisy from the right: 100% ::yes::

2 - In my opinion, athletes look like idiots when they thank god for their having won a competition. What, God didn't like the other guys ? God doesn't have better things to take care of than ensuring that some overpaid, undereducated athlete wins a game ?

You're right...some of us do find those kinds of "expressions of faith" to be offensive...just as I find any other kind of stupidity offensive...

:rolleyes:

JMHO...
 
Originally posted by LScot
And so , to me, it is ashame that instead of coming together in support of our troops, they'll do more dividing than anything. Oh well.

I know you weren't necessarily meaning it this way, but this is a little pet peeve of mine, so bear with me....

CRITICISM OF BUSH DOES NOT EQUAL LACK OF SUPPORT FOR OUR TROOPS !!!!!!!!!

Whew....Thanks...I feel much better now :teeth:
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
1 - Total mentions by Faux News of the Whoopi comments in the day following (according to media matters): 33. Total mentions of the Dennis Miller comments insinuating that Senators Kerry and Edwards were gay lovers: 0.

Chance of hypocrisy from the right: 100% ::yes::

2 - In my opinion, athletes look like idiots when they thank god for their having won a competition. What, God didn't like the other guys ? God doesn't have better things to take care of than ensuring that some overpaid, undereducated athlete wins a game ?

You're right...some of us do find those kinds of "expressions of faith" to be offensive...just as I find any other kind of stupidity offensive...

:rolleyes:

JMHO...

Whoopi's comments made news because she said them at a campaign fundraiser at which both Kerry and Edwards were present. Kerry later said the participants represented "the heart and soul of america".
Miller's comments did not make news because he is a political satirist with his own right-wing talk show.
 
Originally posted by Funkyzeit mit Bruno
Whoopi's comments made news because she said them at a campaign fundraiser at which both Kerry and Edwards were present. Kerry later said the participants represented "the heart and soul of america".
Miller's comments did not make news because he is a political satirist with his own right-wing talk show.
...and he made the comments at a Bush campaign rally, not on his talk show. Besides, how does his having a talk show trump the fact that Whoopi is a comedian ? :rolleyes:

It's hypocrisy. Period. The self-important bleating of the right trying to get some sympathy from an ignorant populace.

Next time you see a Bush campaign commercial, notice what the first words of the script are immediately following the "I approved this message" part. I'll almost guarantee you the first two words are "John Kerry"...Wonder why that is ? Wonder why this glorious mental midget of a president can't find anything positive to say about his own record rather than constantly attacking his opponent ?

More to the point, why whine about Whoopi Goldberg when your own campaign commercials have set the tone from the beginning ?
 
Glad I could make you feel better.
 
In certain ways don't celebrities and artists just try to mirror what is going on in the general populace? So why blame them? Look around you at all of the other people out there voicing their opinions too.:D
 





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