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GNX231

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hey guys this may sound like a stupid question but one i have to ask. do vacation club points ( the amount required for a night) ever go up? i ask this because when i bought in years ago i was told every two years the points required to book go up alittle, however last july i took the blt preopening tour and was told the points never increase to book a room. so if it was 20 points a night for say okw in 2010 then in 2020 it would be 20 points a night. can anyone shed some light on this for me? thanks have a magical day :)
 
do vacation club points ( the amount required for a night) ever go up?

for the resort as a whole for the entire year? no.

for your tuesday night stay in early december in a studio? sure. it definitely can. BUT for a tuesday night stay to go up, a saturday night stay has to go down...for an early december stay to go up, another month has to go down...for a studio to go up, a 1BR would have to go down.

any increases would have to be matched by decreases elsewhere.
 
The total for a resort doesn't change, but the allocation of the dates/room types etc can and do change occationally. The past two years has seen several reallocations at most resorts. Depending on your usual travel plans, this could actually mean a decrease in the points you need for your usual stay. We found that happened to us in January at OKW.
 

ok i just saw this happen at bcv. i have stayed the past few years (this year included) for 12 days sunday to thursday in a studio for 198 points, but july 2011 will be 206 points not a whole lot but was just trying to get on the same page. thanks john
 
The "value" of what a point represents cannot change.

A lot of people confuse what they are actually buying. A lot of people think they are buying "points" from Disney. Disney has done a great job at making it look this way. What every DVC member has actually purchased is a percentage of unit (a room or collection of rooms). For the purposes of using your membership, your ownership percentage is represented (conceptually) by a number of points.

Since Disney has sold you a percentage interest, they can't sell more than 100%. Which means there is a maximum number of points that can be sold for each room. This also means that there are a certain number of points (over the entire year) for each room and the resort (adding all the rooms together).

Here is what Disney can do:

1) They can add points to a resort only by building new rooms.
2) They can re-allocate the points for the entire resort (up to 15% each year) and redistribute them amongst seasons, views, room sizes, weekdays/weekends, and types.

Here is what Disney can't do:

1) They can't create points out of nothing. Remember that points are just a representation of your ownership percentage. They can't simply add more points to the system, because then the total ownership percentage that is sold would be greater than 100%. This means that the "value" of a point can't ever decrease. You'll always be able to book the same percentage of the resort, compared to other members.

Other thoughts:

1) DVC is a timeshare. It's sold to very close to 100% capacity (every room booked every night for 50 weeks per year). If they find that points aren't being used to book every room based on that and rooms are left vacant, then points are going to HAVE to be lost because now there are unused points in the system and not enough rooms to book them with. They have to balance out the supply and demand. If the point cost of your particular stay has gone up, then it simply means that the demand for your particular stay has gone up as well. They are required to balance it out. They do this by increasing the point cost of certain stays and lowering the cost of other stays.

2) As the DVC membership gets older and the demographic of a "typical DVC member" changes over time, then so are the "in demand" seasons. For example, it would be easy to argue that as people who bought DVC get older, kids grow up, move out, etc. that there travel habits will change. Suddenly, they don't need to wait for school to be out, they can go any time of year, they like to go when it's not as busy, point costs are less, etc. These people will slowly shift from being summer and out of school travelers to off-peak travelers.

Disney will be required to reallocate the points for travel periods, as (within the scope of DVC) the "peak" periods change. Which is what they are doing. They are responding to changes in the travel habits of a "typical DVC member". Members' kids are growing up and moving out, they are taking advantage of the lower point costs, and the travel habits are changing.

You can see this using the links someone else provided:
Original OKW point chart: http://photopost.wdwinfo.com/data/500/OKWpoints94-95.jpg
2011 OKW point chart: http://www.wdwinfo.com/disney-vacation-club/OKW-Points.shtml#oldkeywest

You can see that a week during the "Adventure" season went up, a pretty good bit, across the board.
The weekly point costs for the "Magic" season went down across the board. The magic season is the largest season.
Also, as members start to retire, the need for them to travel on the weekends has gone down too, so demand for weekday stays has gone up, because of lower point cost. Which is why the point costs for weekday stays has gone up and weekend point costs have gone down.

So in conclusion: The cost for any particular stay can go up...your points may not be good for a certain room during a certain season (as demand for that room during that season goes up)...however, your points would then be good for a different room and/or different season. However, the overall value of your points can not go down.
 
Disney will be required to reallocate the points for travel periods, as (within the scope of DVC) the "peak" periods change.

Are they actually required to reallocate points based on demand? I don't recall anything in the documents that says that the were required to rebalance, only that they could. At the risk of getting booed off of the board, it would seem to me that the reason they reallocate points is so create a better balance of usage of the resort, thus maximizing the utility of the resort to the owners (us).
 
The official documents do not actually say they are "required" to do anything on re-allocation of points. They "reserve the right" to reallocate if that is perceived to be in the best interests of the members based on reservation patterns they are seeing for each resort. Obviously, one factor is skewed demand but obviously they would never be able to even that out unless they did something ridiculous since times like Christmas are always going to have much higher demand than others unless they make points required prohibitive.
 
DVC is required to do things in the best interests of the members so if realocation qualifies then they are supposed to do it. Of course how they decide what is in the best interest of the members is always debated.

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