Point chart demand rebalancing, what would you do?

[bookwormde]

We know that under Florid timeshare law DVC is required to make decisions based on what is in the best interest of the majority of members. Part of that is rebalancing point charts to equalize demand.

Many of us have been critical of past DVC attempts for a variety of reasons.

So what would you do to rebalance points charts for demand.

I am starting with OKW since I have the best compliance monitoring sheet for that resort.

Compliance requires that DVC not increase the number of points above the initial number (required in aggregate to reserve member owned villas). Since OKW has no dedicated studios or 1br, I am also including not raising the lock of premium, since otherwise studios and 1br villas could be changed arbitrarily.

So what do you think are significant demand balance issues at OKW?

Studio vs 1br

Studio vs 2br

2br vs Grand villa

Hospitality House vs other villas

Seasonal point differences

Seasonal dates

Weekday vs Weekend

Other booking categories

Any other point adjustments that can be captured with the point charts



In regularly reviewing availability I see the studio over demand as the strongest imbalance followed by hospitality house vs other villas, but this thread is to see if there is consensus on what needs work

Since I have the sheets to make sure any changes are compliant, I can generate point chart numbers based on input, or you can offer then directly, and I will adjust them for compliance.

Maybe DVC is tired of all complaints and consider what members think.

Once I find the original point charts for other resorts and have the compliance sheets updated, I will post for other resorts

Bookwormde

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

OKW isn't a resort that I feel is in need of any particular rebalancing. You referred to the Hospitality House vs non but my understanding is that it was created only to assist members since it was the most frequent request. By being able to book Hospitality House they removed the need to request it but I don't consider that as a factor for rebalancing because if a studio is available then that size villa is available. And my interpretation of the documents is that it can't have a difference. (SSR, though probably a good thing overall, likely didn't follow the reallocation rules in creating standard and preferred categories).

IMO what we learned from the 2020 point debacle is that DVC doesn't think the same as we do. Of course they also didn't think that some owners knew as much as they do or can read and do some interpreting of the documents too. And my suspicion is that this particular management would prefer to not hear from anyone ever again on this subject. Of course that doesn't mean that they can't or shouldn't hear from owners but I doubt they're really looking for input. They are the only ones that do have all the numbers already and should have the historical info.

 

[zavandor]

They are the only ones that do have all the numbers already and should have the historical info.

They do, and they said 1BR are in such high demand that they had to increase their cost.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

They do, and they said 1BR are in such high demand that they had to increase their cost.

And of course having all the numbers doesn't mean you interpret them correctly.

 

[Sandisw]

I think making all Dec one season is the start of them trying to adjust for that time of year,

Unfortunately, I think there is only so much they can do and don’t think it’s ever going to be perfect, but increasing fall a bit will at least show That a very high demand time isn’t the lowest in points a ny. more.

Personally, at BWV, I think it should just be BW view, and everything else is all one category.

 

[TraderSamWDW]

There is only so much Disney can do.
So many people are bound to limited vacation times based on factors of which disney has zero control. Jobs. School Schedules, etc. Weather. Unless July is free, I ain't going!

Dont want me to go in September? Move halloween and food and wine

I do not know if they legally can do it, but one thing that I think might help is to change the seasons by the room type.

A lot of couples go to Disney without children. I would guess they target more 1 bedrooms and studios. I would think that demand for larger rooms has to jump more when school is out. Maybe - Maybe - It makes more sense for a 2 bedroom to be the the most expensive during Christmas week, but a studio to be in the middle of the 5 groups. Etc. Etc.

It might be totally illegal. But I do find it hard to believe that each room type belongs in the same demand category at all times of the year.

There is no way they can ever make everyone happy

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I’ve been out of it for a while, so enlighten me...
Are all resorts on the same seasons during the same times?
Seems to me BCV, BWV, and RIV could have a higher season for F&W. Also seems possible the WL resorts and VGF could be bumped for December.
Not sure if that’s even possible however. Just a thought.

 

[Sandisw]

I’ve been out of it for a while, so enlighten me...
Are all resorts on the same seasons during the same times?
Seems to me BCV, BWV, and RIV could have a higher season for F&W. Also seems possible the WL resorts and VGF could be bumped for December.
Not sure if that’s even possible however. Just a thought.

Seasons are all the same for the WDW resorts.

 

[bookwormde]

Yes OKW HH was created as a convenience for the members, but has created different levels of demand so like SSR could be re-by a point differential. With that said, the studio over demand is much stronger

There in nothing that prevents DVC from having different seasons at at the WDW resorts, though with the exception of the EPCOT resorts, the circumstances where this this might be significant in improving balancing would be so granular as to not be practical. At the extreme I could write an algorithm that re balanced points based on 1 year lag data every year, but while near "perfect" would be quite de-stabilizing for planning, everything is a trade off.

I do not think the attempt to raise 1br was lack of understanding of demand since it was so obvious. My theory is that it was an attempt to increase revenue form lock off breaking premium dollars, maybe to partially offset the living wage additional costs which were rolling into dues around that time.

I am pretty sure that the FL timeshare regulators have most of this info also, it is just a matter if the FOIA costs are worth paying for the info

 

[bookwormde]

Added weekday vs weekend to the list of possible adjustments

 

[bookwormde]

Here is 1 possible OKW studio over demand adjustment

again since OKW has no dedicated studio this approximates the original lock off premium as the constraining criteria

Format season (1 to 7)- studio weekday/weekend, 1br weekday/weekend, 2br weekday/weekend, GV weekday/weekend

1-11/15,19/24,28/36,46/56
2-12/16,21/25,32/35,49/59
3-13/17,23/27,35/39,53/64
4-14/18,25/30,36/42,59/70
5-16/20,28/33,40/45,61/73
6-17/21,29/35,41/48,65/82
7-24/29,38/48,55/64,82/107

Total resort points are unchanged from 2021 point chart

1991 lock off premium 327,750
2020 lock off premium 336,030
1991 lock off premium 300,610
Above lock off premium 320,620

 

[bookwormde]

I have the BWV sheets ready to calculate changes so what additional ideas are out there for BWV

 

[crvetter]

Here is 1 possible OKW studio over demand adjustment

again since OKW has no dedicated studio this approximates the original lock off premium as the constraining criteria

Format season (1 to 7)- studio weekday/weekend, 1br weekday/weekend, 2br weekday/weekend, GV weekday/weekend

1-11/15,19/24,28/36,46/56
2-12/16,21/25,32/35,49/59
3-13/17,23/27,35/39,53/64
4-14/18,25/30,36/42,59/70
5-16/20,28/33,40/45,61/73
6-17/21,29/35,41/48,65/82
7-24/29,38/48,55/64,82/107

Total resort points are unchanged from 2021 point chart

1991 lock off premium 327,750
2020 lock off premium 336,030
1991 lock off premium 300,610
Above lock off premium 320,620

You are keeping the lockoff premium constant? I know you stated that before it seemed like something you wanted to do else they could float wherever. I just wanted to clarify if a resort doesn’t have dedicated studios or 1 bedrooms the point costs per night could go up without any reduction anywhere else. The only thing they would be subject to is a 20% max move member year over year. This is because the restriction that a balance decrease must be made is based on the total points to book the resort must be constant when lock offs are booked as two bedrooms (so increasing the studio or 1 bed doesn’t mess with that).

In the original 2020 point charts they did just that at VGF if I recall correctly, points weren’t just taken from 2 beds and put on the studio and 1 bed (which I personally hold as not allowed) but points were essentially just increased on the rooms. In fact the VGF POS states this very clearly as allowed and nothing I found in the other POS’s without dedicated units restricts it really.

 

[bookwormde]

Yes I agree with all of the above.

The strongest (in FL code) restriction DVC has is in being required to do what is in the best interest of the majority of members. This leaves the question if raising studio points without lowering other categories and by extension raising the lock off premium would be better as regard to this standard as what is in the chart above.