Plagiarism or not?

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

I wouldn't think that there would be a problem since they "adapted" it to their church.

In my opinion, changing the name and location is exactly what "adapted" means.

 

[Grumpy_Dad]

If it says "with permission", then they had permission to do this. It wouldn't even be on my radar.

I agree. I am not even sure the citation is required. It depends on the type of permission. I understand that in an academic paper, all works quoted need to be cited, but in publishing, that is not necessarily the case if you have the rights to the work in question. This was probably a handshake or verbal agreement and citing the other church was the right thing to do even if wasn't necessary. Which is what I would expect under the circumstances.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I got a pamphlet in church on Sunday. In the preface, it says, adapted from with permission...and the name of another church. Also, credit was given to the member of our church committee for his work adapting it to us.

As a former English teacher/community college instructor, I was curious, so I Googled the other church and found the original document. The only changes were the name of their church was replaced by the name of our church, and a couple minor editorial changes here and there. No real context changes.

From an academic perspective, this really bothers me because someone took a lot of time to create the original pamphlet. If a student had submitted something like this, I would have called it out. But this isn't an academic setting.

It was not sold. There was no money exchanged for this by either church. It's intellectual property at most.

That's my vent. I'm curious what others think.

They got permission to use it. Church Pamphlets aren't term papers.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

If your church's pamphlet is the same in content as another church's, what is unique about your church? If the information is the same, why not go to the other one?

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I had the same professor for both my science labs in the same semester and got the same assignment in both classes. It was a worksheet, so I submitted it twice. It seemed like there was a definite answer to each question, so I didn't even think about making them different. I got charged with plagiarizing myself, and they applied the credit to the class where I needed it less, which was the part that really sucked.

That is so lame. It was a worksheet and the exact same one. Maybe he should be charged with excessive laziness for plagiarizing the same assignment for two classes. What. Did he think you were going to answer the same question differently?

What is the chemical composition of water.
Worksheet 1 H2O
Worksheet 2 h2o
PLAGAIRIST!!!!!!

 

[SMD]

That is so lame. It was a worksheet and the exact same one. Maybe he should be charged with excessive laziness for plagiarizing the same assignment for two classes. What. Did he think you were going to answer the same question differently?

What is the chemical composition of water.
Worksheet 1 H2O
Worksheet 2 h2o
PLAGAIRIST!!!!!!

Yea, they were overzealous on a lot of things. I also got dinged on attendance because the sign-in sheet was in the hallway and I didn't make it back from the bathroom between classes before it was pulled. But since I was already inside before class started, I obviously wasn't going to walk out of one to be early for the other. But to be fair, the reason I was in the second lab was in a previous semester, so many students quit mid-semester that my group work was incomplete. I chose the sections I did because that professor didn't require group work. At least I responsible for my own grade the second time around.

 

[Disney_traveler]

I don't understand.....OP said that it was second nature as an English teacher, NOT judging.....so why come here about it? To judge?

 

[jliehr]

If it says "with permission", then they had permission to do this. It wouldn't even be on my radar.

If it says "with permission", then they had permission to do it. It wouldn't even be on my radar.

Adapted with permission from scrapquitler


Just because someone says it, doesn't make it true

 

[Wishing on a star]

The original post kind of speaks for itself....

 

[soccerdad72]

If it says "with permission", then they had permission to do it. It wouldn't even be on my radar.

Adapted with permission from scrapquitler


Just because someone says it, doesn't make it true

No, but short of calling up the church it's being adapted from and asking them if they gave permission, you generally have to take those things as face value.

And if someone was to actually call a church to ask if they ever gave permission for something to be used, I would definitely judge that person.

 

[jliehr]

No, but short of calling up the church it's being adapted from and asking them if they gave permission, you generally have to take those things as face value.

And if someone was to actually call a church to ask if they ever gave permission for something to be used, I would definitely judge that person.

Ah, but who at the other church would have the authority to give permission?

It's probably not a big deal, but I've seen lots of things happen in churches that are probably questionable legally (use of music, self made copies of books/guides). It gets ignored or swept under the rug...

And with that I probably should stop as to not go down the religion rabbit hole.

 

[soccerdad72]

Ah, but who at the other church would have the authority to give permission?

It's probably not a big deal, but I've seen lots of things happen in churches that are probably questionable legally (use of music, self made copies of books/guides). It gets ignored or swept under the rug...

And with that I probably should stop as to not go down the religion rabbit hole.

Heck, it's probably not even a writing that was unique to that church - they probably adapted it too.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Yea, they were overzealous on a lot of things. I also got dinged on attendance because the sign-in sheet was in the hallway and I didn't make it back from the bathroom between classes before it was pulled. But since I was already inside before class started, I obviously wasn't going to walk out of one to be early for the other. But to be fair, the reason I was in the second lab was in a previous semester, so many students quit mid-semester that my group work was incomplete. I chose the sections I did because that professor didn't require group work. At least I responsible for my own grade the second time around.

The thing I hate is many of these profs change editions of textbooks faster than rabbits breed in order to allow publishers to milk students out of $150 bucks for a text worth maybe $20. The new one is pretty much copied word for word with very few changes and that's AOK. But some student turns in their own work on the same exact assignment or their very own paper for two classes. and.....

 

[Disney_traveler]

The thing I hate is many of these profs change editions of textbooks faster than rabbits breed in order to allow publishers to milk students out of $150 bucks for a text worth maybe $20. The new one is pretty much copied word for word with very few changes and that's AOK. But some student turns in their own work on the same exact assignment or their very own paper for two classes. and.....

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^^^^ this! X1,000,000 !!!!

As a student I never understood why books were SO expensive. Now as a teacher I KNOW. It must be to pay for all the traveling and bribing the book company reps do. I can't even count how many office voice mails, emails and messages from the office that So&So the book rep is in the area and wants to know if I'm available to meet.....go to lunch....invite you to a book preview at a restaurant...blah blah.

 

[tasha99]

Outside of academia and for profit books, nobody cares about plagiarism. Not even close to plagiarism though since the church gave credit.

 

[Allison]

Churches sharing information-Wouldn't give it a second thought. Good for both churches for being willing to do it.

 

[Magpie]

Outside of academia and for profit books, nobody cares about plagiarism. Not even close to plagiarism though since the church gave credit.

Actually, most journalists, artists, writers, songwriters, filmmakers, cartoonists and crafters also care very deeply about plagiarism. A lot of people care about plagiarism!

Basically, if you create your own content, whatever it is, you don't much enjoy seeing someone else pass your hard work off as their own.

I agree, though, the OP's post does not even come close to being plagiarism.

 

[rastahomie]

Outside of academia and for profit books, nobody cares about plagiarism. Not even close to plagiarism though since the church gave credit.

I am neither an academic nor a writer of books, and I have been plagiarized. Let me tell you, it's aggravating in the extreme. Some jerk in India claiming my article for his own on his website, and making the revenue that I would have made?

 

[Wishing on a star]

I think I would include 'articles' that are printed for profit (even online) in that statement under 'books'
Maybe that was just not the most thorough statement, in the interest of time and simplicity?

If it is an 'article' and there was revenue involved... I def. think you are covered!!!!!

 

[tasha99]

I am neither an academic nor a writer of books, and I have been plagiarized. Let me tell you, it's aggravating in the extreme. Some jerk in India claiming my article for his own on his website, and making the revenue that I would have made?

Of course for profit articles would be included. Or someone stealing an article that was "free" and selling it. But really, in most situations, nobody cares. Pretty sure that holds for this church situation, where credit was given anyway.