Pirates, Mansion & Jungle Cruise

[Captain Crook]

As Disney has just announced two more episodes for 'Pirates' and have announced 'Jungle Cruise', I was wondering about the risk involved with these flicks. 'Country Bears' didn't have anything going for it and honestly that was one of those "what could they possibly have been thinking" movies (IMO). 'Pirates' was just great...But it also had it all, great ride tie ins, great (exciting) script, fantastic acting and wonderful SE's...But what happened with 'Haunted Mansion'? Don't get me wrong, it was entertaining enough, but why did Disney pull back instead of going for the full monty once again? Couldn't 'HM' have been done in scary mode with comedy sidelines (much like 'Pirates') or would the scary have just been too much for a movie about a classic theme park ride?

'Jungle Cruise' if done properly could be a real hoot, IMO...The script and casting will of course make it or break it but all in all I think it has potential (at this point).

Any thoughts?

 

[Belle041281]

I agree with you 100%. I absolutely loved Pirates but I hated HM very much. I was very dissapointed because that is one of my favorite rides. I am a little worried about the sequel to Pirates because a lot of times the sequel aren't as good as the first. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it goes.

 

[Captain Crook]

I didn't hate HM, but they obviously weren't taking it as seriously as Pirates (Eddie Murphy v Johnny Depp pretty much tells that story)...

I just think a real scary movie with comedy highlights would have been great...The special effects could have been better while under a 'serious scare' factor, IMO.

 

[All Aboard]

Don't get me wrong, it was entertaining enough

I was running right along side of you until that point. I yawned most of the way through HM. It didn't entertain me for one minute.

 

[Captain Crook]

Well, you know my tastes are...weird. Remember I hated Shrek yet 95% of the people loved it. I liked Treasure Planet while 95% didn't and those two examples alone differntiate you and I.

Also, while I found it entertaining, remember it was a family experience and with Marisa cackling by my side it was hard not to enjoy...I don't care about seeing it over and over though.

But what about the "scare" factor Greg, is this too tough for Disney because of the 'family' issue?

 

[Luv2Roam]

HM was mostly bad and over casting.
1) Kids were not needed in the story -- except for demigraphics
2) The actress wasn't very good. (wooden. I thought) And I felt it was because EM acting performance wasn't good either. He didn't want anyone over shadowing his acting and ego.

I watched it at the theatres and have the DVD. But it wasn't a stellar movie in any stretch. Had everyone done a better job, or been allowed to do better, there would be a HM2.
I think Disney may have done better by putting more scare into it. That is a situation you are never going to please anyone. For a more modern view, they should have gotten rid of the kids and made it scarier. MAdame Liota as a lame sidekick jokester?

I would have liked them to have explored the HM ship captain side of the tale. And I think it would have gone over well, after seeing what happened to Pirates.
And THEN make a Saturday morning type cartoon for the kiddies. That could tie into McD's promotion. Or even both could. One for adults. One for kids.
Win-win.

 

[foodrocksluver]

Also consider the fact that that the HM was only rated PG but Pirates was reated PG-13. It was full of more action and was advertised more. Plus anyone in their right mind would go to see Pirates just to look at Johnny Depp. Hes so hot and funny and Eddie Murphy is just funny. Teenage girls like me go for the combo. But I loved HM. I thought the guy who played Master Gracey was better than EM.

 

[dcentity2000]

I'm worried about how you could follow on from Pirate at all

Guess the storyline anyone? Perhaps a prequel, the story of Cap'n Jack Sparrow and his evil first mate Barbosa? Or maybe new characters all together? What does everyone think?

Jungle Cruise, IMO, has the capacity to be good, very good - but the cynical side of me just can't see this happening.



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[Captain Crook]

I think prequel as well, although I'm not fond of them...But there is still the monkey and the coin at the end...How could the curse resurrect Barbosa and friends? Anyone?

 

[foodrocksluver]

My friend Heather gave me an article on the new Pirates movie and it is supposed to introduce Jack's father who they want to be played by Keith Richards.

 

[umbluegray]

I loved the movie and I'm excited about the TWO future installments.

I have the DVD and have watched it over and over. It leaves me with a question, though. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

I understand why Will's blood is needed -- because in him flows the blood of bootstap bill.

But why did Jack slice his hand when he returned his coin? Was his blood necessary? Or is there some tie-in to him possible being related to Will?

Again, maybe i'm reading too much into it.

 

[GrimGhost]

Jack cut his hand because each man who touched the treasure(coins) had to make a blood sacrifice--will on behalf of wills father as well as Jack, when he stole the coin from the chest in the scenes prior

 

[umbluegray]

That's what I thought, too.

But why didn't every one of Barbosa's crew need to do the same?

 

[katerkat]

Originally posted by umbluegray
That's what I thought, too.

But why didn't every one of Barbosa's crew need to do the same?

They did - just before the movie. In his speech before cutting what's-her-name, Barbossa references the blood sacrifice they all made, and how they were waiting for this one last one.

As for the sequel, I hope it focuses around Bootstrap Bill - I think it's possible he's still alive!

 

[umbluegray]

I'll have to look for that part.

I agree. I can't help but think bootstap comes into play somehow.

 

[foodrocksluver]

quote:
As for the sequel, I hope it focuses around Bootstrap Bill - I think it's possible he's still alive!

But they put bootstraps on old bootstraps bootstraps! I think it would be awesome if they had bootstrap being alive and then bringing Jack's father in like i said. And even better if they were like old friends or something.

 

[Captain Crook]

A Keith Richard role...Or even cameo would be great...And probably pretty funny. Capt. Jack and the Stones??? Too much.

 

[randytenn]

The big issue with the blood and coins is that when they threw Bootstrap overboard, he was a ghost pirate, so he sat at the bottom of the sea in cement . . .

until they put the blood in the coin box.

Suddenly, he's human again, and he drowns!

Poor Boostrap. Sucks to be him!

 

[katerkat]

Originally posted by randytenn
The big issue with the blood and coins is that when they threw Bootstrap overboard, he was a ghost pirate, so he sat at the bottom of the sea in cement . . .

until they put the blood in the coin box.

Suddenly, he's human again, and he drowns!

Poor Boostrap. Sucks to be him!

But, they only tied cannons to his boots and after a couple years, those boots might have rotted away and set him free, so he might not have been underwater at all when the curse was lifted. "Might" being the operative word, of course.

 

[Planogirl]

Interesting, seeing all of the conjecture. I think it shows one of the reasons why Pirates worked so well as compared to Haunted Mansion. People liked the story and enjoy discussing it. I have never seen anyone talk about the HM's story.

As for reviving Barbarossa, is he supposed to be in it again? I haven't heard who's been signed.