Piglet punched? Did this happen

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Bunch24 said:
Considering we recently had an instance of a CM in a Tigger suit sexually assaulting women at Disney World, I don't think you can fully put the blame on anyone without knowing facts.
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Bunch24 said:
Personally, I think the reaction (punching a costumed character) is a little extreme, but not everybody is like me. And I'm not going to judge this person without knowing all of the facts.

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Tigger was found not guilty
 
Bunch24 said:
If this did happen, it's horrible, but I find it funny that everybody is just jumping on the person like he's some kind of monster WITHOUT KNOWING ONE SINGLE FACT!!!

Wow, I hope none of you are ever jurors. LOL

Considering we recently had an instance of a CM in a Tigger suit sexually assaulting women at Disney World, I don't think you can fully put the blame on anyone without knowing facts.

What if this person dressed as Piglet had grabbed his wife's breast? What if this Piglet had pinched his wife's butt? What if this Piglet had touched his wife somewhere else? What if all this happened, then how would you feel about the situation?

Personally, I think the reaction (punching a costumed character) is a little extreme, but not everybody is like me. And I'm not going to judge this person without knowing all of the facts.

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Tigger was cleared of charges.
This is from Snopes.com

The Three Little Molesters

Legends: * Costumed cast members molest Disney theme park guests.

Origins: * We expect the costumed characters who roam the grounds at Disney theme parks to be nothing less than kind and cuddly all the time. Even the not-so-cute "evil" characters (e.g., Jafar, Captain Hook) are supposed to exhibit nothing but boundless patience and good cheer in accommodating guests and posing for endless streams of souvenir photographs, however much they may be pushed, pulled, punched, taunted, or otherwise abused by some of Disney's less well-behaved clientele. It's all too easy for some park visitors to lose themselves in the fantasy and forget that those figures are not really indestructible cartoon characters but flesh-and-blood people laboring inside of hot, heavy, cumbersome costumes. These cast members generally exhibit nothing but good cheer while working under difficult circumstances for relatively little pay, but should any of them ever lapse and momentarily display the very human reactions of frustration or exasperation, you can bet that someone will complain about it.

Sometimes the complaints lodged are quite serious, with guests maintaining that a costumed cast member was not just rude or uncooperative, but acting in a hostile and physically abusive manner — to the extent that some complaints have resulted in civil or criminal proceedings. In most cases, though, the defense that character costumes so limit cast members' peripheral vision and body movements that the alleged actions would be impossible or extremely difficult to perform intentionally wins out.

In 1981, for example, Disneyland was the target of a lawsuit alleging that, three years earlier, a nine-year-old girl had received a beating delivered by one Winnie-the-Pooh. The lovable bear had supposedly slapped her in the face, resulting in bruising, recurring headaches, and possible brain damage. As writer David Koenig described the ensuing trial:
[Disney attorney W. Mike] McCray's first witness was Robert Hill, the actor who portrayed Pooh bear at the park that day. Hill testified that while in costume, his vision and movements are severely restricted. The girl, then nine years old, was tugging at him from behind and, in turning to see who it was, he accidentally struck her with an ear. "We're trained not to retaliate," he said.

McCray then asked for a brief recess. After jurors returned to their seats, Hill reentered the courtroom in costume. Taking the witness stand, Pooh answered the lawyer's questions by nodding his head and stomping his feet. "What do you do at Disneyland?" McCray asked. Pooh got up and did a jig down the aisle. The courtroom audience burst into laughter. "Have the record show that he's doing a two-step," noted the judge. By calling Pooh to the stand the attorney was able to present a lovable, sympathetic witness who wouldn't — and couldn't — hurt anyone. The bear demonstrated that he couldn't have slapped the girl in the face as she claimed. The costume's arms were too low to the ground. The jury took just 21 minutes to acquit Pooh on all charges.
In another civil case, in 1976 a woman filed a lawsuit against Disneyland and sought $150,000 in damages for assault and battery, false imprisonment, and humiliation, asserting that a park employee wearing a pig costume had run up to her near the "It's a Small World" attraction, grabbed her, and fondled her breasts while squealing "Mommy! Mommy!" — an experience that had supposedy left her so upset that she gained 50 pounds. That complaint never saw the inside of a courtroom, as the plaintiff dropped her case after Disney's showed her a photo of the pig costume which revealed that the outfit had no operable arms, only stubs.

In 2004, a Disney cast member was actually prosecuted on criminal charges. Michael C. Chartrand, a Walt Disney World employee who worked inside a Tigger costume, was the subject of a police investigation after a 13-year-old girl complained that he had fondled her breast while she posed for a photo with him and her mother in WDW's Magic Kingdom park on 21 February 2004. (The girl's mother maintained that she had been similarly fondled, but her allegation was not an element of the criminal case.) Mr. Chartrand was arrested in April 2004 and charged with lewd and lascivious molestation of a child and simple battery; by the following week 24 more complaints about him had been lodged with authorities. (All of the other complainants either lacked sufficient evidence to press charges or were unwilling to do so, however.)

Mr. Chartrand declined a plea bargain and took his case to trial, and in August 2004 a jury deliberated for less than an hour before returning a verdict of "not guilty" on the charge of lewd and lascivious molestation. As part of his closing argument, Mr. Chartrand's attorney, Jeffrey Kaufman (who himself worked for Disney as a costumed character), donned the Tigger costume to demonstrate to jurors the difficulty of maneuvering and seeing while inside in the outfit.

Last updated: * 15 August 2004


The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/disney/parks/molest.asp

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by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson


Linda ::MinnieMo
Just 76 more days :banana:
 
We were at WDW when this not guilty verdict came thru, and it was on the news in the room - it was really sad, I couldnt help feeling sorry for Michael, like the report posted, many jumped on the bandwagon, and his life has forever changed... I understand he went back to work at WDW and was accused again!!

I have no tolerance for abuse, I have even less for those that falsely accuse others of abuse.
 
Whatever happened between Piglet and the Women, the guy had no right to throw a punch. Come on he is a grown adult! Not some kid on the playground. That is the problem with people today. Everyone wants to throw a punch instead of being a grown up. He could have filed a compliant with another CM and things would have been taken care of.
 

Uh, hello. From what I understand it was a girl inside the Piglet costume. I don't think the loser had too much to worry about before he hit her. I hope he gets the book thrown at him. What a creep! :flower:
 
disneyaggie said:
Uh, hello. From what I understand it was a girl inside the Piglet costume. I don't think the loser had too much to worry about before he hit her.:flower:

There's no way he could have known that from what he saw, and what he saw was that a male character was "flirting" with his wife. I can understand if someone is not use to the characters' antics that a guy could be angered by that if he doesn't know it was just make-believe, but there is no excuse for punching anyone like that.
 
meeko_33785 said:
There's no way he could have known that from what he saw, and what he saw was that a male character was "flirting" with his wife. I can understand if someone is not use to the characters' antics that a guy could be angered by that if he doesn't know it was just make-believe, but there is no excuse for punching anyone like that.
True. But from what I have read, Piglet blew her a kiss. She didn't try to french kiss her right there in the middle of the restaurant. This guy obviously has issues. Anyone that has to hit someone usually does. ::yes::
 
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Bunch24 said:
If this did happen, it's horrible, but I find it funny that everybody is just jumping on the person like he's some kind of monster WITHOUT KNOWING ONE SINGLE FACT!!!

Wow, I hope none of you are ever jurors. LOL

What if this person dressed as Piglet had grabbed his wife's breast? What if this Piglet had pinched his wife's butt? What if this Piglet had touched his wife somewhere else? What if all this happened, then how would you feel about the situation?

Personally, I think the reaction (punching a costumed character) is a little extreme, but not everybody is like me. And I'm not going to judge this person without knowing all of the facts.
I only need two things to be verified as facts and then I may judge the man as a monster.

"The man punched Piglet and it did not look like self defense."

Piglet could be a monster too, but that is another program, another case, another trial.
 
I agree that we should all verify the facts before deciding who was wrong in this situation...Piglet or the man that hit him. There could be a reason why the man hit Piglet or he could have been unreasonable. I'm sure the CM that was with Piglet will help verify if this man just attacked Piglet or not.

Either way, I know the characters do deal with lots of "interesting" situations. A friend was Snow White at WDW when we were in college and once a kid pee-ed on her leg. And the parents did not say they were sorry or anything.
 
MiniMe said:
There could be a reason why the man hit Piglet or he could have been unreasonable.

Nobody should be hitting anyone.
 
Bunch24 said:
Wow, I hope none of you are ever jurors. LOL

:wave2: No worries, if it makes you feel better, I never will be because I have what is called "extreme prejudice" to criminals because my father was a cop for 21 years! When I tell the lawyers what my father was, they practically push me out the door!!! Piglet-puncher is safe from my persecution (at least off the Dis Boards anyway)! :rotfl:
 
Cannot_Wait_4Disney said:
I can just picture eeyore in his voice.

Ohh you shouldn't have done that. I guess it's time to open the can of whoop a......

bwahhhahahahaha!!!!!!!! :rotfl:

I nearly spit the Ozarka all over my monitor! That was hilarious, I totally can hear his voice....
 
I do agree that both sides do need to be heard BUT......

No one has ANY right to hit or strike another person EVER.

This man who threw the punch, should have immediatly sought out a CM or even one of the servers if he had such a problem. There is NO reason to become violent.

I have been to many a character breakfast at the Crystal Palace and when meeting characters. There have been many a time where Goofy or even Tigger would take my arm and we would walk away from the picture but Hello!!! THEY ARE IN CHARACTER if they just stood there and did nothing then why bother?????

I think this man did overreact in this situation. Even if Piglet did put an arm around the girlfriend or blew kisses.

That is so ridiculous that this man got that upset that he punched a Character!


He should have been a bigger man and used his brain before his brawn!
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Is this really for real? You mean to tell me that Piglet was blowing kisses to soemone and their boyfriend got jealous and punched piglet? Did I get that right?
I hope I have something wrong b/c if he did that for that reason THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!
I had a charachter last year blowing me kisses, kissing my hand, waving to me in Epcot and me and my DBF we in hysterics it was so cute!
 
Still waiting on some physical proof that this even happened. Seems like if a person "assaulted" a Disney character in costume at a park in the middle of the busiest time of the year in the middle of the busiest restaurant in MK, it would have made the news SOMEWHERE other than a message board.

Until I see physical proof that this happened (and not someone saying their mother's father's uncle is a security guard who took the complaint), then I'll just put it right up there with the other urban legends.
 
Look!!! Goofy kissed my dd's hand on her sixteenth birthday!!! My dh should have kicked his butt!!
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OMG!!! The security guard touched my dd and sang happy birthday to her in front of EVERYONE waiting to get into MGM!!! My dh should have kicked his butt!!
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This is out of control!!! Now a bellhop from ToT is touching my 16 year old! That's it!!! I'm sueing for sexual harrassment!!! You know my dd is damaged for LIFE?!?!
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The idiot had NO REASON to hit ANYONE!!! He should be locked up! :sad2:
 
disneyfreakjackie said:
Look!!! Goofy kissed my dd's hand on her sixteenth birthday!!! My dh should have kicked his butt!!
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OMG!!! The security guard touched my dd and sang happy birthday to her in front of EVERYONE waiting to get into MGM!!! My dh should have kicked his butt!!
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This is out of control!!! Now a bellhop from ToT is touching my 16 year old! That's it!!! I'm sueing for sexual harrassment!!! You know my dd is damaged for LIFE?!?!
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The idiot had NO REASON to hit ANYONE!!! He should be locked up! :sad2:




:rotfl2: :rotfl2: That was perfect!!!!!!
 
Characters have been assaulted in the past. That's one of the reasons they usually (always?) travel with "handlers" when out and about in the parks.

If the guy hit Piglet, he's a gutless punk with serious anger management issues. Period. There is NO way that one can definitively tell that someone in one of those costumes is really intentially trying to do anything offensive.

If it turns out it didn't happen, then no harm no foul, since the guy we are judging prematurely doesn't even exist!
 
Hey--sorry to add some non-firsthand info to the discussion, but, from one of my best friends who has worked at WDW for the past three years and has done everything from been Goofy to rollerbladed in "Tarzan Rocks":

Apparently, most of the character costumes have "gloves" that are much larger than the CM's hands. Therefore, when the CM in costume puts his/her hand on someone's shoulder, the "glove" can extend down to the guest's chest, making it appear and feel like the charater is touching an inappropriate area. They also have no perifrial (sp?) vision in the "heads" so they can't see what thier own hands are doing. An easy experiment is to try standing next to someone and closing your eyes and then trying to put your hand on thier shoulder--not so easy when you can't see your own hands, is it??

These facts, and the very publicized Tigger incident above COULD serve to push a (already violent and unstable) man to punch an otherwise innocent CM.
 
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