Phase 3 a go for Saratoga Springs

thanks for the post!!! :cool:
 
If I did the numbers correctly, this will be an additional 6 buildings over the original plans, for a total of 18 if each continues to have 46 units.

I wonder if this will push "Eagle Pines" off even more?
 
Wow, I wonder where that is going? Maybe to replace the old DI the treehouse villas?
 

Okay, I am new at this...so, if someone (maybe PamOKW) could help me out. How big are the other resorts? How much bigger will this one be than the others?

I don't know why, exactly...but, I HOPE it is not that much bigger than the others.

Or, maybe I DO know why...it seems to me that one of the GREAT things about DVC is it's wide selection of where to stay. I think that have an ABUNDANCE of rooms at one resort, with one set of amenities, and one type of style seems not what I was buying in for?

PLEASE don't take this the wrong way (for those of you that own there), SSR looks beautiful, but I don't really have the desire to stay there. If one resort becomes much larger than others, it seems that the others will fill up very quickly in comparison, and that if you need to book a resort 6 or so months out, you may only find one resort available...the big one!! Now, I realize that a LOT of people who bought there did so because they LOVE it!!!, and want to stay primarily there...but, I'm talking sheer numbers here. If only a small percentage wants to stay at other resorts, that "small percentage" could be a really big number!!!

I know I am freaking out a little, here...and, you "old-timers", PLEASE tell me I am wrong, and tell me why...I would LOVE to not stress over this...maybe I am seeing things all wrong. But, I would SO love to see DVC offer Eagle Pines, or a monorail resort, or any resort in a different location (I have NO idea where, exactly)....but, offer a little more variety in accomodations. It's strikes me as scary to have SO many accomodations in one place.

Please tell me I'm wrong!!!

:wave:

Beca
 
You have a four month exclusive booking window at your home resort. That will help with the balancing.

The sizes of the resorts are according to the 8/02 POS:
# of units
OKW 527
VB 171
HH 102
BWV 383
VWL 136
BCV 142

SSR 552 as promoted before Phase 3

The number of rooms is larger than the number of units if you split the 2 bdrm lock offs into a 1 bdrm and a studio.
 
Beca...I don't think you need to stress out over this. DVC is pretty much the same situation as it has been in the past....which means that if you want to stay in your home resort, the 11 month booking window advantage will make sure you have a better chance of staying there than anyone else.

But I think I'm also reading something else in your comments. Let's just take an example of what I think I am reading. Let's say I own at BWV. But I want to stay at BCV at some point. Now I have a lot more competition for my non-home resorts within the 7 month window?

I can't argue with that. Basically this is what has been seen with the current largest DVC resort..OKW. I've called a few times and been told that the only resort available for my dates was OKW, so based on that limited sampling, I think OKW has more available inventory due to its size.

I don't see SSR being any different. And yes, I can see that someone booking at the 3 or 4 month mark might find SSR and OKW as their only options.

The basic underlying assumption in your concerns is that SSR owners will want to stay elsewhere in huge numbers. I'm not sure that's a valid assumption. Once you get emotionally attached to a place, it has an attraction all its own. We've seen that with every DVC resort that has been opened.


Like I said...stressing over something like this is not worthwhile. We all know the advice about buying where we want to stay the most, and I think most people have heeded that advice.

I can't talk you out of stressing...that's a personal thing....but if I get "stuck" with VWL and BWV for the next 38 years, I'm a happy camper. :)
 
WOW! SSR is going to be huge. I didn't realize it was going to be that big. Maybe DVC didn't either. Does anyone have any other info on the announcement? Has the phase III always been in the plan?

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Originally posted by Beca
Please tell me I'm wrong!!!

How is adding 250 more rooms at SSR any different than adding 250 rooms at Eagle Pines? You're making a big assumption that you would even like Eagle Pines. If you didn't care for that resort either, the situation would be the same--more DVC members and the same number of rooms at BCV, BWV, etc.

This really doesn't change a lot of things that were already true, namely:

- Larger properties will always be the ones with greatest chances for availability as you get closer to travel dates.
- As more members are added to the DVC program, regardless of their Home resort, the harder it will be to book the smaller resorts at 7 months or less. More people competing for a fixed number of rooms means less chance for success.

Perhaps a 1000 room facility on the monorail would change some of the above (although the point cost to stay a night may prove to be prohibitively high), but regardless of the rumors, DVC has made no guarantees of future resorts.

I think it's also worth noting that this may put Eagle Pines (as it was originally designed) totally in jeopardy. If DVC has decided that demand dictates they focus on 800-1000 room mega resorts, EP may or may not end up fitting that mold.

Regardless, it will be a LONG time before a new property opens, unless they want to sell two of them simultaneously. They are selling a single SSR building about every 3-4 months. If we figure 3.5 buildings per year, it will take over 5 years to sell the resort, putting the next opening around 2008-09.

About a year ago, one of my first posts to this board questioned where DVC was headed in the future. I looked at the situation and saw 5 properties (including SSR) in about 15 years time. Out loud I wondered if that meant we would have 10 properties in 30 yrs and 15 in 45 years. I thought that sounded a bit ridiculous, and in retrospect, obviously nobody knows for a fact the direction that DVC will go.

But, assuming that demand holds, I think there will be little reason for tiny add-ons to existing resorts. Even though they have acres of undeveloped land at WDW, they need to start building resorts that fit the demand of the program. SSR isn't quite a perfect fit, because they will almost certainly have to expand the common areas of the resort (2nd feature pool, additional dining options), but they won't make that mistake again.
 
I wasn't aware of a phase III in the plans. This really brings up the question about percent of sales that have already taken place for SSR.
 
I would think in the near future, you will get people at the 7 month window trying to get time at SSR, just to try it out. That would leave space at their home resort for someone else to try. Just a thought. I guess they really mean it when they say "buy where you want to stay".
 
Does anyone think that expanding this to the largest resort will in any way cause the maintenance fees to go down at SSR?
 
Originally posted by Granny

The basic underlying assumption in your concerns is that SSR owners will want to stay elsewhere in huge numbers. I'm not sure that's a valid assumption. Once you get emotionally attached to a place, it has an attraction all its own. We've seen that with every DVC resort that has been opened.



I'm not sure if I am understanding your post or not. Please forgive me if I am not. I am sure there is a percentage of people at every resort who choose to stay other places. I have friends who own at VWL, but have NEVER stayed there, and never plan to. But, I guess my concern is this...even with a VERY small percentage of a LARGE resort wanting to stay somewhere else, wouldn't those numbers end up being large?

Please don't think I am down on SSR, or the number of people staying there. But, as I did look into purchasing it before I bought at BWV, I am very aware of what "my" guide was telling me. "Buy at SSR, but stay anywhere you want." That's what I bought into (not at SSR, but BWV...which, incidentally I do plan on staying at whenever possible), but I can foresee a time when my choice at DVC might become BWV (if I can know about my trip early on), or SSR if I don't. I guess that is really no different than what is going on now with OKW, but the points are much lower at OKW, so if that happened, I would feel like I was getting a bargain!

It's not that I am questioning the "likeability" of SSR, I am just questioning the size...that is what scares me.

I think I may have to look into "adding-on" at VWL sooner rather than later. And, I may have to become "more obsessive" about planning my trips than I already am!!! (That's a really scary thought).

Anyway, thank you for ALL of your responses!! I really appreciate it...please, anyone else please chime in your thoughts as well!! I would LOVE not to stress over this!!



:wave:

Beca
 
Are we sure that phase 3 is just the third "neighborhood" that we alreayd know about? The Paddock, i think its going to be called?
 
Originally posted by Beca
That's what I bought into (not at SSR, but BWV...which, incidentally I do plan on staying at whenever possible), but I can foresee a time when my choice at DVC might become BWV (if I can know about my trip early on), or SSR if I don't.

That is absolutely correct, and members deal with that every day. You always have your best shot at your home resort at 11 months, but have a much broader field of competition at 7 months.

And, if you read tjkraz' post above, you'll see that the likelihood (not the absolute) is that OKW and SSR (when it gets bigger), will be the resorts picking up more of the 7 month traffic.
 
Originally posted by Beca
But, as I did look into purchasing it before I bought at BWV, I am very aware of what "my" guide was telling me. "Buy at SSR, but stay anywhere you want."

This is true. I spoke to 2 different guides when I was at WDW and they stressed that your DVC points can be used at any DVC resort. I walked away with the impression that it made no difference what your home resort is. It was only after going home and begining to do my own research that I found the DIS Boards and learned the importance of the 11 month window and buying where you want to stay most of the time.

Only time will tell if there willl be a lot of SSR owners trying to stay at other resorts, but if it happens that way, the 11 month window will be that much more valuable to you.
 
I would think the expansion only reenforces the need to buy where you want to stay and if you want to stay elsewhere you need to book at 7 months out.

However with more and more units getting something at later dates will be easier too.

My only concern if this addition is not part of the orginial plan, will the public areas be able to handle the extra guests.
 
For those that have seen SSR in person: Will the pool support that large of a resort? From the pictures and the picture in VM, I thought that it will be tight when phase I and phase II are complete. Now that phase III has been announced, I am a bit concerned.

::MickeyMo
 



















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