Paying OOP for kids on the free dining plan.

[twinkletoesmom]

Are the cs points going to be seperated also? I have no problem W/ the ts, it's just my kids don't like alot of kids food and I was hoping to be able to order off the adult menu for there cs. I hoping at the rest. they may be able to do child portions of adult food. I will say I will not be happy if we go there and my kids only get to eat hotdogs and pizza that is not healthy or worth the money! If I knew that they were going to make this change I would probaly not have purchased the DDP.
Gosh sorry I just relized that addind a question to the thread.
But you should be allowed to pay for any meal oop. If you pay some of you kids oop and perhaps you and DH share a few maybe you can bank some points that way. Pick places that have good apps or have a large snack or split a cs shorely before dinner. I manged to get a few "extra" ts in this way.

 

[momtotwinglesx4]

No, I don't plan to use child CS credits for adult CS meals; just for the signature restaurant (requiring 2 credits) TS meals.

I just got off the phone with Narcoosees restaurant; I specifically asked if we could use our Dining Plan for the adult meals, but pay OOP for the kids meals when we go there on Sept. 12. Her reply? "Of course! That's not a problem. Just tell your server when you order."

Sounds good to me!

 

[LSchrow]

LewisC,

I don't think she was asking if it is right or wrong. She mentioned the brochures changed wording so she clearly knows it is against Disneys rules. I think she was asking if the enforcement mechanism is still lax enough so she can knowingly break the rules and get away with it.

& knowingly cheat in front of the children

 

[crisi]

No, I don't plan to use child CS credits for adult CS meals; just for the signature restaurant (requiring 2 credits) TS meals.

I just got off the phone with Narcoosees restaurant; I specifically asked if we could use our Dining Plan for the adult meals, but pay OOP for the kids meals when we go there on Sept. 12. Her reply? "Of course! That's not a problem. Just tell your server when you order."

Sounds good to me!

The problem being that if on September 1st, management comes down hard and heavy on this and decides not to allow it to prevent potential abuse - and starts auditing the waitstaff - what you were told in July won't make a bit of difference. A CM at Narcoossee's has no more insight into what Disney management will do next week than we do.

And we KNOW they read these boards. My husband works for another big company that shall remain nameless but has some internet boards dedicated to them - and they actually have software that monitors the boards so they can take action.

 

[MissD]

No, I don't plan to use child CS credits for adult CS meals; just for the signature restaurant (requiring 2 credits) TS meals.

I just got off the phone with Narcoosees restaurant; I specifically asked if we could use our Dining Plan for the adult meals, but pay OOP for the kids meals when we go there on Sept. 12. Her reply? "Of course! That's not a problem. Just tell your server when you order."

Sounds good to me!

Did you ask her if you could use your child TS credits to pay for your adult TS meals? Or just ask if you could use your TS credits for the adult meals while paying OOP for the kids?

Of course you can use the adult TS credits to pay for the adults and pay OOP for the kids. Nobody would tell you no in that case.

I'm just not sure that had you asked about using child TS credits to pay for adult meals that you would have gotten the same answer. I don't think it would have been 'no problem'...and I believe you know that as well.

I agree with the other posters that you are simply looking for an answer/logic to justify something that you know is wrong-period.

Character is what you do when you believe that nobody is watching...and is even more important when your children are watching (and listening).

 

[frayedend]

& knowingly cheat in front of the children

If I recall the OP asked to NOT be given opinions on morals/cheating etc. I believe the post was fairly specific.

So why can't you go open a church or something and preach your morals there, rather than where it wasn't asked for.

Sorry, that's just my opinion. I have my opinions on what is right and wrong, but that question wasn't asked.

::utting on my flame reflecting suit now::::

 

[DisneyKidds]

I'm just not sure that had you asked about using child TS credits to pay for adult meals that you would have gotten the same answer. I don't think it would have been 'no problem'...and I believe you know that as well.

So long as Disney doesn't differentiate between adult and child credits and track them seperately I'm sure this answer suits her needs just fine. If they change that then things may not work out as well as hoped...........

 

[mickeyfan2]

Did you ask her if you could use your child TS credits to pay for your adult TS meals? Or just ask if you could use your TS credits for the adult meals while paying OOP for the kids?

Of course you can use the adult TS credits to pay for the adults and pay OOP for the kids. Nobody would tell you no in that case.

I'm just not sure that had you asked about using child TS credits to pay for adult meals that you would have gotten the same answer. I don't think it would have been 'no problem'...and I believe you know that as well.

I agree with the other posters that you are simply looking for an answer/logic to justify something that you know is wrong-period.

Character is what you do when you believe that nobody is watching...and is even more important when your children are watching (and listening).

This was my take too on the OPs question. She did not ask if she had 2ATS and 2CTS credits could she buy her two kids a meal OOP and us the @ATS and 2CTS credits to by 2-2ATS meals. That is what the OP wants to do but she is afraid to actually ask Disney if that is OK. I bet the OP will not get the to that one.

 

[JimMIA]

The problem being that if on September 1st, management comes down hard and heavy on this and decides not to allow it to prevent potential abuse - and starts auditing the waitstaff - what you were told in July won't make a bit of difference. A CM at Narcoossee's has no more insight into what Disney management will do next week than we do.

AND...if they don't get the computers fixed, the easy alternative is "all in, all out." In other words, use your credits any you please, but everyone in your party spends DDP credits or everybody's OOP for a particular meal.

We've seen a couple of anecdotal posts where that has already been done, specifically to prevent sharing adult food with kids to save credits or to disallow DDP for adults and OOP for kids. They've been isolated cases, but it shows you that option is available and on their radar screens. I'm sure Disney would prefer the less draconian fix of just seperating the credits, but they do have other options.

 

[mickeyfan2]

If I recall the OP asked to NOT be given opinions on morals/cheating etc. I believe the post was fairly specific.

Yes she was but the OP DOES NOT own any thread on the DIS and thus cannot police it to only her likings. If she wants to cheat, why does she need validation? Cheat, maybe get caught and see if it runs your vacation.

 

[momtotwinglesx4]

Did you ask her if you could use your child TS credits to pay for your adult TS meals? Or just ask if you could use your TS credits for the adult meals while paying OOP for the kids?

Of course you can use the adult TS credits to pay for the adults and pay OOP for the kids. Nobody would tell you no in that case.

I'm just not sure that had you asked about using child TS credits to pay for adult meals that you would have gotten the same answer. I don't think it would have been 'no problem'...and I believe you know that as well.

I agree with the other posters that you are simply looking for an answer/logic to justify something that you know is wrong-period.

Character is what you do when you believe that nobody is watching...and is even more important when your children are watching (and listening).

First of all, the Disney people are not stupid. They know very well that this is possible on their plan. They KNOW about the pooled credits, don't you think? If they wanted to put an end to it, they would. Until that time, I do NOT "know it is wrong". If it's allowed by Disney, then I feel it is acceptable to Disney, therefore acceptable to me. If your interpretation of it is different, then by all means, follow your own conscience. Mine will be clear. So no, I do not believe that I am "knowingly cheating" in front of my children at all.

 

[MissD]

So long as Disney doesn't differentiate between adult and child credits and track them seperately I'm sure this answer suits her needs just fine. If they change that then things may not work out as well as hoped...........

I agree to some extent, but I think that asking the question to get the answer that you want (or that best suits your needs) isn't going to necessarily give you the most accurate answer. In addition, today's answer-no matter how the question was asked-will likely not be next month's, next week's--or even tomorrow's answer. The policy clearly states that adults cannot use child meal entitlements-period.

As to the separation/enforcement piece, Disney can and does change things on a dime-just check the DVC boards and the threads about policy changes and access to Member Services.

We're heading down to BWV on Sunday, and I know that I won't be relying on anything I read today to still be fact or in practice when we arrive.
As DVC members, we pay for the DDP, we're all adults anyway (DS12 eats like a linebacker) and plan to use our DDP in the spirit it was intended. It's still a great deal...and anytime I don't have to cook is REALLY a vacation.

 

[JimMIA]

If I recall the OP asked to NOT be given opinions on morals/cheating etc. I believe the post was fairly specific.

So why can't you go open a church or something and preach your morals there, rather than where it wasn't asked for.

Sorry, that's just my opinion. I have my opinions on what is right and wrong, but that question wasn't asked.

::utting on my flame reflecting suit now::::

Well...when you put yourself out there like that, it's pretty unrealistic to expect no one to take exception. Saying you don't want to hear it doesn't mean you won't -- if anything, it's an open invitation to moralizing.

I'm really surprised OP hasn't gotten a lot worse than she has.

 

[msmayor]

First of all, the Disney people are not stupid. They know very well that this is possible on their plan. They KNOW about the pooled credits, don't you think? If they wanted to put an end to it, they would. Until that time, I do NOT "know it is wrong". If it's allowed by Disney, then I feel it is acceptable to Disney, therefore acceptable to me. If your interpretation of it is different, then by all means, follow your own conscience. Mine will be clear. So no, I do not believe that I am "knowingly cheating" in front of my children at all.

If the brochure clearly states that a child credit may not be used for an adult meal, and you purposely attempt to do the same, then you DO know it is wrong...they are telling you in black and white in the brochure. And that's "knowingly cheating" in front of your children.

 

[MissD]

First of all, the Disney people are not stupid. They know very well that this is possible on their plan. They KNOW about the pooled credits, don't you think? If they wanted to put an end to it, they would. Until that time, I do NOT "know it is wrong". If it's allowed by Disney, then I feel it is acceptable to Disney, therefore acceptable to me. If your interpretation of it is different, then by all means, follow your own conscience. Mine will be clear. So no, I do not believe that I am "knowingly cheating" in front of my children at all.

I beg to differ. If you were so certain that your position was 'not wrong' I do not believe you would be seeking validation of your position (and some sort of guarantee of your ability to carry it off) on this board. I understand you don't want comments on the morality issue, but the reality is that you want to make sure that you don't get busted if you try to do what you plan.


If you read the FAQ on the DDP brochure, it states that Adults CAN NOT use child meal entitlements. Meal entitlements cannot be shared between adults and children age 3-9.

It's WRONG. period. Now you know it.

Just because someone is ALLOWED to do something, or is capable of getting away with it DOES NOT and will not make it acceptable. Sorry.

 

[Pedler]

First of all, the Disney people are not stupid. They know very well that this is possible on their plan. They KNOW about the pooled credits, don't you think? If they wanted to put an end to it, they would. Until that time, I do NOT "know it is wrong". If it's allowed by Disney, then I feel it is acceptable to Disney, therefore acceptable to me. If your interpretation of it is different, then by all means, follow your own conscience. Mine will be clear. So no, I do not believe that I am "knowingly cheating" in front of my children at all.

Actually the rule is very explicitly defined in the FAQ. You appear to be interpreting the term allowed as being able to get away with it. So under your definition of allowed is it OK for a family to lie about a child's age to get a lower price on a park ticket since Disney doesn't make any attempt to verify age? You say that since it is allowed by Disney you feel it is acceptable to Disney. How do you resolve that with page 5 of the FAQ in the dinning plan that specifically addresses what you want to do and says that it isn't allowed?

I think you know what you want to do is against the rules. You are asking if it is still possible to break the rules so you can maximize your dollar benefit on the dinning plan. You would get a lot less posts about this is you would just admit you want to break the rules and are looking for guidance if this is still allowed.

 

[momtotwinglesx4]

I beg to differ. If you were so certain that your position was 'not wrong' I do not believe you would be seeking validation of your position (and some sort of guarantee of your ability to carry it off) on this board. I understand you don't want comments on the morality issue, but the reality is that you want to make sure that you don't get busted if you try to do what you plan.


If you read the FAQ on the DDP brochure, it states that Adults CAN NOT use child meal entitlements. Meal entitlements cannot be shared between adults and children age 3-9.

It's WRONG. period. Now you know it.

Just because someone is ALLOWED to do something, or is capable of getting away with it DOES NOT and will not make it acceptable. Sorry.

I'm not looking for validation at all! I couldn't care less about your opinions, as I stated very clearly in my opening post. I simply asked if it was still being ALLOWED. And apparantly, at least at the moment, it IS.

And please tell me how doing something that is ALLOWED is "getting away with something"? You only "get away with" things that are NOT allowed!

 

[bicker]

If I recall the OP asked to NOT be given opinions on morals/cheating etc. I believe the post was fairly specific.

That was what the OP requested. As we know, with regard to WDW, requests are just that: requests. They may or may not be honored.

In this case, there is, and should be, no safe quarter for violating rules. If you want to do something that is wrong, at least have sufficient healthy shame to keep your intent to yourself.

 

[robinb]

I think you know what you want to do is against the rules. You are asking if it is still possible to break the rules so you can maximize your dollar benefit on the dinning plan. You would get a lot less posts about this is you would just admit you want to break the rules and are looking for guidance if this is still allowed.

No she wouldn't. She would still get slammed by the self-appointed Disney Dining Plan Morality Police.

OP: I sent you a PM .

 

[bicker]

self-appointed Disney Dining Plan Morailty Police

As opposed to the self-appointed Disney Dining Plan Immorality Brigade -- the self-proclaimed "pirates"? Are you really complaining about honor, in defense of dishonor?

I sure hope you can see the problem with your line of reasoning.